Teflon-coated .223

[nittany31]

I know that the old Black Talon pistol ammo died about a dozen years ago, and that Winchester (and perhaps others) still offers a teflon-coated pistol round... But does anyone know if there exists a teflon-coated round in .223 or 5.56?

 

[MCMXI]

The Black Talon wasn't teflon coated.

 

[rcmodel]

From Wackypeedia:

A common misconception, often perpetuated by films and television, is that coating normal bullets with Teflon will give them armor-piercing capabilities. In reality, Teflon and similar coatings were used primarily as a means to protect the gun barrel from the hardened bullet; the coating itself does not add any measurable armor-piercing abilities to otherwise normal ammunition.

rc

 

[Reloadron]

The only handgun cartridge that comes to mind is Federal 38 Special Nyclad HP which are not Teflon but Nylon coated ammunition. As mentioned Winchester Black Talon ammunition is not coated, they have a light coat of black paint on the bullets.

As to .223 I do not know of any coated factory loads with the exception of possibly moly coating which is more a matter of impregnating the copper jackets with molybdenum, I guess it would be a moly coating.

Ron

 

[helotaxi]

The Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertips are coated with "Lubalox" which is similar to moly but different. I have a feeling that it is much the same coating that the Black Talons used and that the Winchester Fail-Safe rifle ammo used.

 

[bigfatdave]

please tell us why you would want a teflon-coated round, and then someone can suggest a source

 

[jonnyc]

I believe that any Teflon-coated pistol bullet with a hardened core would be legally considered to be AP, and as such would be federally illegal. As such, dealers would be unable to sell them to civilians.

 

[Sam Cade]

I believe that any Teflon-coated pistol bullet with a hardened core would be legally considered to be AP, and as such would be federally illegal.

Negative.

This is how the feds define AP:

(B) The term "armor piercing ammunition" means -
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a
handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence
of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of
tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or
depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber
designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a
weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the
projectile.

 

[MtnCreek]

The Combined Technology Ballistic Silvertips are coated with "Lubalox" which is similar to moly but different. I have a feeling that it is much the same coating that the Black Talons used and that the Winchester Fail-Safe rifle ammo used.

+1.

Black Talon never died, it was just renamed and the evil, black coating was no longer used. If I was in charge of Win back when the Black Talon was a big story, I would have changed the coating to pink and renamed it as 'Pink Talon'.

 

[Ramone]

Not Teflon, but Lubalox (same coating as the Black Talons):

http://www.targetsportsusa.com/p-31...55-grain-ballistic-silver-tip-ammunition.aspx

 

[jonnyc]

Sorry Sam, but this:

"constructed entirely (excluding the presence
of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of
tungsten alloys, steel, iron..."

pretty much covers my statement, as I did mean hardened steel core. Sorry for that omission.

 

[Sam Cade]

zap

 

[adelbridge]

lubablox is advertised as a black oxide (some form of rust)

 

[45crittergitter]

I believe the old KTW ammo was Teflon coated and with a hardened pointy core. I doubt you can find any through legal means.

 

[jonnyc]

In the cartridge collector world, there is plenty of legal KTW ammo. You can't go to a dealer and buy a box for shooting, however.

 

[hentown]

I'm pretty sure that Black Talons weren't just "painted black". I don't recall seeing anything about AP in the OP's question. Why did AP get injected into this thread??

 

[NeuseRvrRat]

they took the same bullet, got rid of the black color on the bullet and called it the Ranger SXT

 

[Reloadron]

I'm pretty sure that Black Talons weren't just "painted black". I don't recall seeing anything about AP in the OP's question. Why did AP get injected into this thread??

Yeah I it is Lubalox coating which is a proprietary oxide process. That is what turns the copper jacket black. However, the oxide coating as can be seen in the following image is not a very deep coating. It can be very easily scratched off the bullet. The theory behind it seems to run with moly coating bullets. The arguments of moly coating will likely continue in the bench rest community another hundred years.



Looking at a Black Talon round I have to wonder if the coating really did much in reality? Beats the heck out of me.

Ron

 

[nittany31]

Thanks Hentown - I was wondering how we got onto AP as well. I thought my question was pretty elementary. Nonetheless, this HAS been slightly helpful.