Tell me about nipples for pietta 1851 and 1860

[DocCharlie]

I found this video on how to make the socket wrench,


gonna give it a try

 

[ThomasT]

I replaced the nipples on my new Pietta NMA with nipples from TOW because I have 8,000 #11 caps but not a single #10. The new nipples are sized for #11 caps and the CCI fit just right. The Remington #11s are a little loose on the new nipples. I could have have just pinched the caps and used the factory nipples but I wanted to use my inline capper and thats the only reason I bought new nipples. I used the factory nipples on my NMA from 2 decades ago and they worked as they were supposed to work but I did have to pinch the caps a little.

If I had or could have bought #10s at a reasonable price I would have just stuck with the factory nipples. If ever see #10 caps for sale at $4 a can or less I will buy some. But even that price doesn't sit well with me since I remember buying caps for $10 a thousand. That was a good price.

 

[DocCharlie]

I replaced the nipples on my new Pietta NMA with nipples from TOW because I have 8,000 #11 caps but not a single #10. The new nipples are sized for #11 caps and the CCI fit just right. The Remington #11s are a little loose on the new nipples. I could have have just pinched the caps and used the factory nipples but I wanted to use my inline capper and thats the only reason I bought new nipples. I used the factory nipples on my NMA from 2 decades ago and they worked as they were supposed to work but I did have to pinch the caps a little.

If I had or could have bought #10s at a reasonable price I would have just stuck with the factory nipples. If ever see #10 caps for sale at $4 a can or less I will buy some. But even that price doesn't sit well with me since I remember buying caps for $10 a thousand. That was a good price.

yep I can’t find any 10s. I have found about 1000 # 11s though at my local shop

 

[TheOutlawKid]

I only use remington 11s..and 10s if i can find them. Wont touch cci 11s unless they're given to me free. Remingtons are just a better all around cap in my opinion...especially since when they explode they open up like petals on a flower instead of breaking up int shrapnel like cci caps.

 

[DocCharlie]

I only use remington 11s..and 10s if i can find them. Wont touch cci 11s unless they're given to me free. Remingtons are just a better all around cap in my opinion...especially since when they explode they open up like petals on a flower instead of breaking up int shrapnel like cci caps.

Unfortunately the CCIs are the only thing I can find anywhere. I scooped them all up at the shop the other day. Better than nothing I hope?!?! I’m still going to pick up that cap maker.

 

[gobsauce]

I only use remington 11s..and 10s if i can find them. Wont touch cci 11s unless they're given to me free. Remingtons are just a better all around cap in my opinion...especially since when they explode they open up like petals on a flower instead of breaking up int shrapnel like cci caps.

Remington's and my revolver just dont get along. I either got a bad tin or my revolver is cap-ist. Today, i must have tried six caps trying to fire off a single chamber; but the very first cci 11 cap worked. I guess it's up to preference,both the shooter or the revolver.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

That is odd...perhaps the tin got exposed to moisture? Ive never had that issue. ive had cci caps lose their priming compound easier from rough handling like shaking the tin around. I once had driven on a dirt road with my caps in an ammo box in the trunk....the vibrations had made a lot of my cci caps lose the primer mix but my remingtons were fine. Although it is definately a preference of the shooter. Im really biased when it comes to caps and favor remington mainly because of how the caps are made and how they react when they explode. Remington caps are actually a "cross" shape...4 sides. They are made into a cup and when they explode most caps just open up into the original 4 "petals", while CCI i think are a disk that is formed into a cup...when they explode they can turn into shrapnel that can jam up the cylinder or fall into the hammer slot and get inside the gun. Both brands can jam the gun though...and i have known other shooters who have not experienced any issues with CCI caps. So it basically comes down to preference and experiences with each brand. I know lots of shooters who dont care what brand as to them they cant really see much of a difference. But i will say i am glad that atleast both companies are putting out a product for us black powder shooters.

 

[woodnbow]

Remington's and my revolver just dont get along. I either got a bad tin or my revolver is cap-ist. Today, i must have tried six caps trying to fire off a single chamber; but the very first cci 11 cap worked. I guess it's up to preference,both the shooter or the revolver.

Capist? Of course, why not? Everything is an ist lately...

mine are all snobs don’t like any cap that doesn’t say Remington #10 on the tin... (IMPROVED 40% MORE FLAME)

 

[TheOutlawKid]

Capist? Of course, why not? Everything is an ist lately...

mine are all snobs don’t like any cap that doesn’t say Remington #10 on the tin... (IMPROVED 40% MORE FLAME)

Lol mr.woodnbow...i guess you can say my guns are snobs too. Steady diet of ONLY remington caps and high quality powder (old eynsford). I believe you only shoot Swiss..am i right? Mr.woodnbow, what is your reason(s) for only using Remington caps?

 

[woodnbow]

They’re as reliable as modern pistol primers if the nipples are sized for them, they hold the nipple (can’t remember the last time one fell off) accurate, (don’t really know if they’re significantly better than others in this regard, since I don’t shoot others... I may have a few tins of cci around here somewhere, but I get really good accuracy from the Rems and Swiss) All of my revolvers are set up for those caps!

BTW, I’ve burned a couple pounds of Olde Eynsford since we discussed it last and I do like it for pistols. The jury is still out on OE for rifles. Especially small and mid-bore bullet shooters. The .40 and .45’s really perform better with Swiss 3f and 2f in the .50’s. I’m limited to 200 yards in winter. Will be working with OE a bit more this summer.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

They’re as reliable as modern pistol primers if the nipples are sized for them, they hold the nipple (can’t remember the last time one fell off) accurate, (don’t really know if they’re significantly better than others in this regard, since I don’t shoot others... I may have a few tins of cci around here somewhere, but I get really good accuracy from the Rems and Swiss) All of my revolvers are set up for those caps!

BTW, I’ve burned a couple pounds of Olde Eynsford since we discussed it last and I do like it for pistols. The jury is still out on OE for rifles. Especially small and mid-bore bullet shooters. The .40 and .45’s really perform better with Swiss 3f and 2f in the .50’s. I’m limited to 200 yards in winter. Will be working with OE a bit more this summer.

So what would you say was the difference between O.E. and Swiss? Was fouling more or less...harder or softer? Its supposedly supposed to be softer fouling than swiss due to the type of charcoal used. Was accuracy affected significantly? I make my own powder but when i buy i only buy O.E., maybe i should give Swiss a try?

 

[woodnbow]

So what would you say was the difference between O.E. and Swiss? Was fouling more or less...harder or softer? Its supposedly supposed to be softer fouling than swiss due to the type of charcoal used. Was accuracy affected significantly? I make my own powder but when i buy i only buy O.E., maybe i should give Swiss a try?

If I had time to make my own I would probably forget about the commercial powders entirely. I’m pretty sure you can equal the performance of either one if you pay attention to the details...

I don’t see big accuracy differences from one to the other in revolvers except in one revolver that shoots Swiss exceptionally well and OE not so much. Fouling is about even in revolvers with Swiss maybe a touch crunchier but not enough to make a difference. I’m using Idaholewis’ lube on bullets almost exclusively and the Colts just run. No leading or dragging through 4 or 5 cylinders which is about all I have time for these days. With the cost being less than a fiver difference I’ll probably continue to use Swiss until I retire and my income is fixed, after that you can give me lessons in BP making!

WRT rifles I’m undecided about it, just don’t have enough information yet. I’m anxiously awaiting the snows receding up the mountain so I can get back to the range where I can shoot virtually unlimited distance (with a big enough target.)

 

[TheOutlawKid]

If I had time to make my own I would probably forget about the commercial powders entirely. I’m pretty sure you can equal the performance of either one if you pay attention to the details...

I don’t see big accuracy differences from one to the other in revolvers except in one revolver that shoots Swiss exceptionally well and OE not so much. Fouling is about even in revolvers with Swiss maybe a touch crunchier but not enough to make a difference. I’m using Idaholewis’ lube on bullets almost exclusively and the Colts just run. No leading or dragging through 4 or 5 cylinders which is about all I have time for these days. With the cost being less than a fiver difference I’ll probably continue to use Swiss until I retire and my income is fixed, after that you can give me lessons in BP making!

WRT rifles I’m undecided about it, just don’t have enough information yet. I’m anxiously awaiting the snows receding up the mountain so I can get back to the range where I can shoot virtually unlimited distance (with a big enough target.)

Im not familiar with idaholewis's lube. Care to share what it is? I have made so mant concoctions that i have lost count. Because i live on an extremely hot an humid environment im always having to use a stiff lube mix. Personally, i wish i lived in the higher and drier elevations. Not just for my guns confort but for mine as well. One of the best lube ingredients that i feel is very often overlooked and not used is raw shea butter. Its used for cosmetics and lotions...has the consistency of a fridgerated stickof butter...so its solid but can easily be cut etc but melts with simple body heat into an oily slick liquid. Stuffa great. I have mixed in into beeswax and made awesome lube disks and it would be great for a cooler drier area especially if you want to make a more solid lube that doesnt get everywhere or contaminate powder. I stopped experimenting with it because i didnt have extra time with lifes obstacles etc...but if anyone is interested in trying out or experimenting with something different theb try shea butter.

 

[woodnbow]

Im not familiar with idaholewis's lube. Care to share what it is? I have made so mant concoctions that i have lost count. Because i live on an extremely hot an humid environment im always having to use a stiff lube mix. Personally, i wish i lived in the higher and drier elevations. Not just for my guns confort but for mine as well. One of the best lube ingredients that i feel is very often overlooked and not used is raw shea butter. Its used for cosmetics and lotions...has the consistency of a fridgerated stickof butter...so its solid but can easily be cut etc but melts with simple body heat into an oily slick liquid. Stuffa great. I have mixed in into beeswax and made awesome lube disks and it would be great for a cooler drier area especially if you want to make a more solid lube that doesnt get everywhere or contaminate powder. I stopped experimenting with it because i didnt have extra time with lifes obstacles etc...but if anyone is interested in trying out or experimenting with something different theb try shea butter.

Cool! Shampoo your hair, wash and lube your pits and then rub your bullets in your hair before loading!

 

[woodnbow]

Lewis lube is one bar of original SPG, one small bottle of Stihl HP synthetic 2 stroke engine lube



and one tube of Alox standard bullet lube. Heat and blend over a double boiler and then add vegetable oil of your choice to make the consistency you prefer. Lewis has fired pure lead bullets way over 1400 FPS with this and says he’s seen no leading. I’m using it in the 40 and 45 and lighter bullets hit 1350 and more with no leading. It doesn’t require much either. Good stuff IMO.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

Cool! Shampoo your hair, wash and lube your pits and then rub your bullets in your hair before loading!

Hahahaha

 

[TheOutlawKid]

Lewis lube is one bar of original SPG, one small bottle of Stihl HP synthetic 2 stroke engine lube

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and one tube of Alox standard bullet lube. Heat and blend over a double boiler and then add vegetable oil of your choice to make the consistency you prefer. Lewis has fired pure lead bullets way over 1400 FPS with this and says he’s seen no leading. I’m using it in the 40 and 45 and lighter bullets hit 1350 and more with no leading. It doesn’t require much either. Good stuff IMO.

Hmm sounds like an interesting lube!! I wonder if it has to be Stihl brand or if any brand of 2 cycle oil will work?