Tell me about the Detonics Pocket 9.

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I dont hear Detonics mentioned much anymore...But I was looking at the pocket 9 and was wondering about them...

Were these good guns? Accurate, reliable? I never hear anything about them.

And why are they so expensive? They go for 500 or more at gunsamerica.com
 
And one more thing...If Detonics ended up canceling production of it's pocket 9 series due to lack of demand....Why is it that everyone thinks Rohrbaugh are going to be hotcakes?

Just different times maybe?

I personally can see the allure of small, powerful pistols such as the pocket 9 and the Rohrbaugh, but I cant speak for the gun buying community.
 
$500 expensive for a gun these days?
Where DO you shop?
Anyway, they are overpriced because they are scarce. Detonics' foray into a non-1911 based design, and they didn't make many.

I can see why. The Pocket 9s I have seen were all corners, not comfortable to handle and heavy and lumpy in any modern pocket. They had a really tough DA which I figure was partly because they didn't care and partly because they needed a stiff mainspring to add resistance to the slide in the blowback action. Right, straight blowback, with a Mann/T-4/Seecamp ring in the chamber to slow the operation down a little.

I didn't get to shoot any of the few I have seen, but recoil has been described as very heavy for a 9mm. Parts breakage is reported common and no spares available.

How about a nice Kahr or Glock 26 so you don't have to hold your breath waiting for a Rohrbaugh?
 
Detonics was really way ahead of their time.
I love the little .45's... I REALLY REALLY shouldn't have sold mine. Kicking my self in the butt every time I think about it.
 
Jim, yes....500 seems steep for a tiny little unknown gun that you say breaks parts, is uncomfortable, and cannot be serviced. i have one of these little unknown tiny guns....it is called an Autauga...but I only paid 199 for it.:D

I can buy a Beretta 92 brigadeer stainless for that money....so it seems expensive to me.


Thanks for the info...It seems like a neat design...It seems that someone would attempt to purchase the patent from detonics and remanufacture the pistol with rounded corners, and better treated steel to arrest the problem of parts breakage.

It seems that this would be more cost efficient than the R&D process that Rohrbaugh is struggling through....An also it may make for a more affordable pistol...I dotn know about you cats...but I got better things to do with 1000 dollars than to buy a little 9mm.
 
Ya I was wondering that when I was looking at pics of them last night...seems like a silly idea.
 
Trust you mean "moved the REAR sight forward."
The legend is that they had a large startup order from a dark agency whose firearms expert favored Condition 2 carry. The sight was set forward to give a "runway" so he could swipe the hammer back without snagging. They made a couple of models with no sights at all; Seecamp style.

The Pocket 9 has been bypassed by better designs. No real incentive to clean it up and make it now.
 
i'm assuming that you are talking about them moving the REAR sight forward...

it was moved there to...make room for the cutaway on top of the slide...so that the hammer could be cocked on the draw...REALLY

it had somthing to do with obtaining funding from a large contract. someone convinced "someone at the top" that they needed to cock them on the draw. so they asked for the change as a condition of purchase and detonics complied.

how many of you remember an adventure series (post doomsday) of paperbacks, by a well known gun writer, where the hero carries 2 detonics, hammer down (condition 2) in a double alessi shoulder rig...cocking on the draw?

GGRRRR...jim watson must type faster than I
 
Jim, what 9mm designs are better than this one? I dont know that I have seen a 9mm this small made by any other company...Not even the Keltec p11 is this small it seems.

The rohrbaugh seems to be about this small.
 
A cheaper Pocket 9

Another factor to consider is that, in the days it was produced, 9mm didn't have as large a following. Pocket pistols were more in the Chief's Special heyday. Revolvers were still strong, and the "wondernines" were just making the scene.

It was ahead of its time, but it did inspire others to later create the "mini-wondernines"....

And I read the Dan Track novels too...
 
An old Gun Digest lists the Pocket 9 at 25 oz, 5.7" long, 4" high, nothing on width. A Kahr MK9 is 22 oz, 5.5" long, 4" high and pretty darned flat. The Rohrbaugh is even smaller, more rounded, and the best I can tell, less available than the Pocket 9.
 
Jim, thanks for those specs....from the pictures I would have guessed the detonics to be much smaller than the Kahr...but apparently the pictures are decieving.

Again, thank you for that...I have a first hand knowledge of the size of the kahr, so this puts things in perspective.
 
And.....
The Kahr PM9 is the same size as the MK9, but weighs only 18 oz.
It is also easy to shoot, fun to shoot, accurate, reliable, rugged, and NOT prone to parts breakage.

It certainly seems superior to pocket guns of days gone by.
 
The Pocket 9 was a big gun. It is thick because it is a blowback action, so the slide had to be made big, heavy spring too. I believe that it was designed by Israeli Dr. Nehemiah Sirkis , who also designed the Armscorp SD-9 and Republic Arms Patriot. IIRC the pistol had about 45 parts and nearly every part was made out of a different stainless alloy. Remember that back in the early 80's stainless stell autos were new and galling was still a problem. The Pocket 9 was also known to have heavy recoil, though I never shot one, a friend of mine, Lou Alessi the holster maker, had one.
 
Well I had purchased one as a BUG a long time ago. While qualifying with it the first mag disassemled itself at the base/weld and all internals/rounds went to mother earth. After the meanest look I have ever seen on my Lt. face I loaded the 2nd mag and started again. Same thing only with a twist, the slide retracted about 1/2" and froze. After realizing that this was not going to be my BUG no matter what we set about beating the slide rearward only to discover that a prtion of the left rail had broken.
Lack of sales, yes. Because they were GARBAGE!
 
I just handled one the other day at a pawn shop. Heavy and sharp. Very simple controls. The one I handled looked like it had been through a lot, nicks everywhere. I can see the attraction - it was a small pistol. But I think the sharp edges and heavy weight would probably be too much, especially at the price they are commanding now.

-Pytron
 
9mmepiphany,
That series of novels you mentioned is "The Survivalist" series, by Jerry Ahern. His hero even carried a Scoremaster at one point, and even did a Curly Bill Spin with his Detonics in one episode. The stories were over the top, but Ahern knows guns and you didn't have any inaccurate technical details floating through the stories.
 
that's what the name of the series was...and i think the hero's name was john rouke.

you're right about over the top, it kinda lost me with the space shuttle returning to repopulate the earth.

it even got me to try working the thumb safety with my left thumb
 
detonics pocket nine

for good or bad i got one. didn't pay a whole lot. would love to know how to strip it and get the slide off. somebody please help. thanks :neener:
 
There is a full write-up of the Detonics Pocket 9 in the book "Great Combat Handguns" by Leroy Thompson and Rene Smeets.

Their conclusions were:
The stiff recoil, heavy trigger, and "quirky" disassembly made it problematical, but they considered it a good combat handgun.

They considered it to be a weapon NOT for casual users but for professionals who could deal with the trigger and recoil, and were willing to devote the time to master it.

As for disassembly here's what Thompson had to say:

"Theoretically, one can dismantle the Pocket 9 by pulling down on the dismantling block and pulling the slide back and upward to disengage it from the frame rails. The slide can then be slid off the front of the frame, and the barrel and spring can be removed for maintenance.
Unfortunately, it is often virtually impossible to proceed even this far, because the tiny dismantling block is hard to hold without additional assistance.
The problem undoubtedly arises from the necessity to keep the Pocket 9 as compact as possible, but the dismantling difficulties are a real disadvantage".

As far as I can remember, this is pretty much how the Pocket 9 comes apart, and is very close to how the old Astra Constable .380 was stripped.

Unload, put the safety on (I think), remove the magazine.

Pull the slide to the rear, pull the disassembly block down by grabbing the two grooved finger pieces on either side of the frame, above the trigger guard, then pull the slide farther to the rear, lift up the rear end, and allow the slide to move forward and off the frame.

Remove the recoil assembly, then remove the barrel.
I can't remember how the barrel bushing is removed, or if it should be.

To get to the action, remove the grips.
 
I have a friend who traded for a used (and abused, it seemed at the time) Pocket 9 about 1985 or so. He traded a perfectly good Ruger Security Six and a Super Blackhawk, new in the box, plus $100 cash for it.

He kept it for maybe 6 months, then traded it off and took a second sponge bath.


To me, it felt like a stainless lump in my hand. What passed for sights on the thing never impressed me. It seemed like a step backwards for Detonics, who made what I considered a superior 1911-like product. I saw one for sale in a local store some months ago and I hate to admit it, but I didn't even bother to give it a close enough look that I recall the price.

Regards,
Rabbit.
 
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