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Tell me if I handled this right.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by xdoctor, Aug 20, 2004.

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  1. xdoctor

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    Right now its 12:40 am. For the last two hours someone has been ringing my doorbell. When I answer, there is no one there. Then they started tapping on my windows. At 12:30 I decided I'd had enough. So I grabbed the old Remington 870 and got out of bed.

    My house has an old fashioned "mud room" which is basically a 4'X4' room with the outer door on one side and an inner door on the other. I turned off the lights in said mud room and waited very patiently. About three minutes later I hear footsteps up to the front of the house and the doorbell rings.

    Now lets imagine for a moment that you're a 16 year old boy. You're out with your buddies, drinking and messing with some guy in the middle of the night. You ring his doorbell again, the door flies open and as the outer light comes on you see a very angry man in his underwear with a big black shotgun pointed at your head. Then comes that sweet, sweet sound. Cha-Chunk.

    So I say to this kid, who's buddied have already vanished into the night, "Can I help you?" (Kid stands there looking like he's just pissed all over his pants.) "I said, can I help you?"

    Finally the kid stammers, "I'm s-s-s-sorry. I have the wrong house. Please don't shoot me."

    So I say, "What's your name?" He tells me his name and I reply with,"Oh really, are you Larry's son?" He says that he is.

    I met his dad about two years ago, we meet every friday night at the bar for kareoke. So I pull out the cell phone and give him a call. Now is where it gets funny.

    Larry answers the phone sounding very groggy and mildly annoyed. I make small talk with him for about a minute and then say, "Oh, the reason I called is that your son is here."

    Explained what the kid was up to, and that he reeked of cheap booze then I hand the phone to the boy. Now, I couldn't hear what was said on the phone, but after a few minutes the kid hands the phone back to me. My buddy says to keep him right there and he'll come get him.

    Dad shows up, appologizes and they leave. I don't think that kid'll be able to sit down tomorrow.

    So what do you think? Did I handle that right? I'm not 100% certain that I needed to involve the shotgun.
     
  2. Tharg

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    Friend of mine was having his beer stolen out of his garage late at night (supposedly by teens)

    He (he's an odd duck) stalked the garage for quite some time before they came back - that sweet sound was his intro... his words were his bond.

    he got all 3 kids names and phone numbers. Told them to go home - along w/ the advice that he was going to call the parents right then.

    he waited... didn't want to be rude.

    None of them lied about thier phone numbers... don't know what happened to em all - but least to say i'm guessing none of thier bottoms are happy.

    Don't know that pointing it was the right thing to do... that old rule and all....

    but hey... no harm no foul at this point in time.

    J/Tharg!
     
  3. pauli

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    i think i agree with tharg here - involving the shotgun is fine, pointing it is a little iffy.

    to be honest, i don't know that i'd have called parents unless it happened again. scaring the daylights (or nightlights, but that sounds really wrong) out of the kid or kids would seem to serve the purpose. of course, parents do reinforce the message, and there's certainly nothing *wrong* with calling them (especially if they're real parents who care about keeping their kids out of trouble). maybe it's just that i'm closer in age to the kids than the parents ;)
     
  4. Gunsnrovers

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    Don't know about the pointing either, but everything else sounds 100%. :D

    I'm glad when I got drunk as a teen that I tended to be content to remain stationary rather then hunt up trouble.... :)
     
  5. musher

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    handled it right? You mean aside from assault with a deadly weapon?

    You could argue having the shotgun was prudent since you didn't know for sure what was going on, but pointing it at the kid was over the top. Aiming a gun at a person is not something you do to 'make a point' or to scare them. You do it if you genuinely think you might have to pull the trigger in the near future.

    I didn't get the impression you felt threatened, just annoyed.

    I think you should consider yourself lucky you didn't get to talk to the police after calling the kids father.

    just my opinon...
     
  6. R32

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    I don't believe that pointing the shotgun at the kid was a very good idea, but it all worked out for the best so no harm no foul.
     
  7. MP5

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    I'm no lawyer (thank goodness), but I'd say don't point a firearm at someone unless you mean to use deadly force then and there and have a rock-solid reason to.
     
  8. dukeofurl

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    FWIW, I think you did the right thing.

    My urban survival mode offers the following scenario:

    Time: twilight hours
    Place: Bedroom
    Clothing: pj's and slippers

    Item: Doorbell ringing.

    Intial thought: Could be drunken fool looking for directions or some pranksters. Or it could be a squad of professional home invaders using one of the first 2 possibilites as a decoy. Better grab the benelli. And the remington. And the AR15. And the 45. Better give the wife a gun and tell her to hide in the closet and if she dosent hear anything in 30 seconds to call 911 and stay the hell out of sight.

    Just my .02.
     
  9. Blackcloud6

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    Can you clear up something for me please? Before you leaped out in your underwear, did you knoew it was a bunch of 16 year old boozed up kids?

    If no, then you may have jumped out into two or three armed bad guys who may have shot you. (They may have been trying to see if anyone was home nefore they broke in).

    If yes, then I think you were wrong for charging out with a gun poited at someones' head. You broke the gun safety rules. What if you tripped, or another kid startles you or something and you fire. Then you have a dead 16 year old in fornt of you and a whole world of hurt coming.

    Next time, just confront the kids and leave the scatter gun behind the door.
     
  10. CentralTexas

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    YOU HANDLED IT WRONG!

    in Texas you would be required to shoot them with rock salt, you wussed out! ;)
     
  11. aguyindallas

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    Can't say I would have done things much different. I hope he got his butt blistered by his dad.
     
  12. MAUSER88

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    Can't say I would have done things much different. I hope he got his butt blistered by his dad.


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    Agreed, you stopped this from happening ever again and everybody went home. Good Job! :D
     
  13. Werewolf

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    What's right and what's legal are more often than not two totally diametricly opposed things.

    IMO you handled the situation well. Not knowing who was ringing your doorbell repeatedly or why made it prudent to have the shotgun with you. Pointing it at the kid may have been over the top but sometimes that's what it takes to get a kid's attention. It will probably be a while before that kid tries that crap again.

    On the other hand what you did - assuming the kid and father made an issue of it - is a felony where I live. The felony pointing of a firearm law here is pretty specific and IMO you broke the law. I don't have a clue what the law is where you live but at the least I'd bet you could be charged under brandishing statutes.

    Like I said - what's right and what's legal are often not the same.
     
  14. Bobster

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    NO! NO! NO!

    Take the shotgun. Load the shotgun. Ker-chunk the shotgun. Never ever point the shotgun unless you are in mortal danger. One sneeze and the boy is DOA. He tries to grab it in panic he's dead. Pretty risky IMHO. Ok not so humble.

    BOB
     
  15. Persnickety

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    How DID you know who was out there?

    I would've grabbed my gun, called the cops, turned on every light inside and outside the house, and sat inside quaking until the cops searched and cleared the yard.

    Plenty of 16 year old 'kids' who can be very very dangerous - drunk or sober. Some are okay, some are just young and dumb, but a few seem to be minus a soul.

    Maybe it depends on who you are and what your neighborhood is like. Obviously what you did worked out well.
     
  16. CentralTexas

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    I just have a question for you

    Since this is a right/wrong question and THR, will you tally up the rights,wrongs,maybes,indifferent,"other" and the totally missed the boat responses to get a definitive answer? ;)
    CT
     
  17. LaVere

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    You did right

    I think you did the right thing. When have you ever seen a police officer or millitary person at the point of unknown eminent danger not have their weapon at the ready. Once the scene had been accessed as not imminency life threating then return to safer carry. Finger off the trigger though. Just my point of view.


    Gordon
     
  18. Kharn

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    Sounds like you did ok to me.

    Kharn
     
  19. Ironman

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    you did the right thing, IM assuming you didnt have your finger over the tigger untill ready to fire so him grabing the gun wouldnt cause death anyway.

    The point is you might have just saved his life, what if he and his friends had alot of fun that night and they decided to go out and do it again to someone else not as forgiving as yourself.

    Another thing to think about would be maybe not calling his parents, the kid would feel grateful and not impose on you again out of respect. Then you would be "the cool old guy" and earn respect with the neighboorhood kids.

    All in all, no harm no foul. Next time grab twin .45's then your the "crazy old man." lol
     
  20. SRYnidan

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    No I don't think you handled it right.
    1. Throwing open the door to an unknown threat in the dark is both tactically unsound and foolish.
    2. Going to the door with an unloaded weapon if you though you faced a potentially lethal encounter is very foolish.
    3. Loading it and pointing it at an individual who by your own admission you had no intention or justification to kill is foolish beyond all belief.

    Pay for a copy of “In the gravest extreme.
     
  21. Wildalaska

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    If i show up at the door in my underwear, dont need a shotgun to scare anyone...

    WildwmdAlaska
     
  22. mwithers72

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    Lets look at all the evetns leading up to the end.

    Late night/early morning door bell ringing and people at windows tapping on them.

    around here that is the standard mode of operations of a home invasion. they knock then brake down the door. All of the casses here in TN have been done in that manner. All in the early moring hours.

    now here is where I may make some people mad. but here it goes...


    Where has accountability (sp?) gone. ? If the kids were not doing this then there would not have been a problem... Now i do not know the age of the kid but by the wording (butt spanking part) I ASSUME he is under age.

    Where was the supervison at. If the kid had been shoot who would be blamed....the home owner of course....... The person protecting his home and family who did not invite and/or give permission to anyone to be on his property at such a time. Who also had no idea who or what was INVADIING his personal property and had every right to assume that something bad was about to happen and took the steps that was felt needed to defind his home and family.

    Why is it when punks do this type of junk we feel bad for protecting our home and family. That punk made the decision to go to your home in the middle of the night. He took that chance, he tresspassed he did everything wrong broke laws even but Its not his fault it was that mean old man that had the gun that is to blame, for not just bending over and takeing any and all pranks up the wasszu because he has no right to stop them. Lets not forget that mean old man with the gun had NO i mean NO IDEA as to what the He!! was going on or what was about to happen nor who or what was waiting their for him.

    punks are given way to much leway in my oppinion.

    ok hope to not have pissed to many off. I have cleared my chest and will go and take a blood pressur pill now.


    mark
     
  23. LynnMassGuy

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    Hind sight is 20/20 folks. Remember that.
     
  24. spacemanspiff

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    not to get nitpicky, but WA has more WMH (hysteria). :neener:

    anyways, whos to say that a poor widdle 16 yr old baby is NOT a threat?

    playing ding dong ditch for 2 hours making the homeowner think something more sinister is afoot definitely quantifies the doctors actions, imho.
     
  25. Azrael256

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    No, it's not a felony here. It's the middle of the night, wacky stuff is going on, and it is not unreasonable to assume that someone is attempting to break in. It's home defense, even if you open the door yourself. You guys all seem to be forgetting that crime requires intent. Had he intended to maim the next 16 year old he saw, then this would be a different discussion.

    That said, I don't think I would've opened the door... ok, I might have... ok, I would have, but I'd advise against doing it.
     
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