Z-Michigan
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Have you ever heard of logic? That statement is so illogical it's hard to fathom that it was written deliberately.
Tell your kids they bettr not cheat at school
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Have you ever heard of logic? That statement is so illogical it's hard to fathom that it was written deliberately.
Officers'Wife
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Interesting, gives a whole new meaning to making schools a 'gun free' zone.
One other thing that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else. What else does the Department of Education own? Would it be unreasonable to only carry a shotgun? Do they own any less lethal weaponry? What pistol do they carry? Who trains them? Where?
I emailed my senator asking her to look into this as this being the best use of tax dollars.
I emailed my senator asking her to look into this as this being the best use of tax dollars.
rm23
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Even if they are, it's like moving a $20 bill from your left hand to your right hand.
Shotgun seems weak, some federal agencies keep rocket launchers.
US Department of Education doesn't run schools for children. Get rid of that notion.
They are a federal agency developing standards, rules, laws, etc., for state and local school districts and colleges. Just a great big giant bureaucracy like State, Justice, Commerce, Transportation, Homeland Security, Interior, Defense, Agriculture, Energy, Health and Human Services, HUD, Treasury, Veterans Affairs, and Labor.
They all have armed personnel.
One of our shooters at the club is a firearms instructor with a contract to provide training for armed personnel at the US Department of Energy, including training on hand-held rocket launchers (yes, DOE keeps HK rocket launchers!!!).
Most armed personnel are involved in building security, many of them in and around Washington DC. They provide arms for their security guards because, as you very well know, residents of DC find it very difficult to buy their own. Just two years ago the Supreme Court had to tell the DC city government to lighten up.
US Department of Education doesn't run schools for children. Get rid of that notion.
They are a federal agency developing standards, rules, laws, etc., for state and local school districts and colleges. Just a great big giant bureaucracy like State, Justice, Commerce, Transportation, Homeland Security, Interior, Defense, Agriculture, Energy, Health and Human Services, HUD, Treasury, Veterans Affairs, and Labor.
They all have armed personnel.
One of our shooters at the club is a firearms instructor with a contract to provide training for armed personnel at the US Department of Energy, including training on hand-held rocket launchers (yes, DOE keeps HK rocket launchers!!!).
Most armed personnel are involved in building security, many of them in and around Washington DC. They provide arms for their security guards because, as you very well know, residents of DC find it very difficult to buy their own. Just two years ago the Supreme Court had to tell the DC city government to lighten up.
bushmaster1313
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Nice catch.
Does anyone actually know the reason for the group within the DOE?
mcdonl
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Yes, see below... this is from the department making the purchase:
Enachos
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Z-Michigan,
I'm simply stating that if the DOE is dealing with criminal matters, then doesn't it make some sense to arm them? I'm simply stating my opinion, you don't have to get worked up over it... relax man...
I'm simply stating that if the DOE is dealing with criminal matters, then doesn't it make some sense to arm them? I'm simply stating my opinion, you don't have to get worked up over it... relax man...
Um, this is the feds your talking about. Since when have they had a reasonable reason for anything they've done? Seriously, the Department of Education is (according to their website) supposed to:
In digging further #4 comes down to the only thing even remotely resembling law enforcement, and I suppose they could be using the guns to stop teachers from keeping ____ minority out.
Or, it could just be a huge boondoggle. I mean since when did a fed ever see a doggle that they didn't want to boon? After all, it's not their money!
bushmaster1313
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What is the Office of the Inspector General doing in the Department of Education?
Shouldn't it be at the FBI?
Shouldn't it be at the FBI?
In some inner city areas the high schools are so bad kids take fights outside, and when school is out some of them have guns hidden some place close and been incidence of kids getting guns and shooting some other kids. The school district actually has a Police force in such areas (especially onces with well known violence or drug issues). When school is out, the cops come out in force and disperse the kids force them to head on home. Believe it or not, most of the kids know they will get off easy because they are minors and are more likely to shoot at cops than your average thug if they have a gun. That's right, just because you don't hear about it doesn't mean it don't happen. The teachers are scared to death of the bully kids and not much learning goes on in those places. Its not really high school, more teen day care. 
That is my new signature. Holy smoke what nonsense. Let's analyze:Enachos said:
First sentence: Enacho's opinion being that he doesn't see how this is bad. Fair enough.
Second sentence: no one expects these to be pointed at kids because I think we all know that DOE does not educate any kids or run a single school. This is an issue of a purely paper pushing agency getting not just shotguns, but shotguns so "evil" that regular citizens are banned from owning them (if you're forced to register it with super complex paperwork, pay a gigantic fee, and are not allowed to take it across state lines without permission, you don't really own it)
FIRST HALF OF THIRD sentence: (the best one) Just getting them for a reason? Um, yea. I think everybody does EVERYTHING for a reason (priceless excuse masquerading as logic). I will tell the officer I was speeding for a reason.
SECOND HALF OF THIRD sentence: AWESOME. This one had me rolling because of COURSE, if it was unreasonable, government wouldn't be doing it. Riiiiiight. :banghead:
danez71
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That is my new signature. Holy smoke what nonsense. Let's analyze:
First sentence: Enacho's opinion being that he doesn't see how this is bad. Fair enough.
Second sentence: no one expects these to be pointed at kids because I think we all know that DOE does not educate any kids or run a single school. This is an issue of a purely paper pushing agency getting not just shotguns, but shotguns so "evil" that regular citizens are banned from owning them (if you're forced to register it with super complex paperwork, pay a gigantic fee, and are not allowed to take it across state lines without permission, you don't really own it)
FIRST HALF OF THIRD sentence: (the best one) Just getting them for a reason? Um, yea. I think everybody does EVERYTHING for a reason (priceless excuse masquerading as logic). I will tell the officer I was speeding for a reason.
SECOND HALF OF THIRD sentence: AWESOME. This one had me rolling because of COURSE, if it was unreasonable, government wouldn't be doing it. Riiiiiight. :banghead:
Oh jiminy crickets....
lets see...
your 1st - fair enough
2nd - 1st sentence ok. The rest is your ranting opinion. Its been posted more than once that they are resposible for more than just pushing paper. Read the WHOLE thread.
3rd 1st half - Big difference. They obvisouly can legally get them. You saying you'll tell the police you have a reason for breaking the law (speeding) is a poor analogy at best.
3rd 2nd half - They submitted their reason and it was approved. Simple enough to understand. If you dont agree with it, which I can understand, try spending less time on a gun forum and more time on a political forum... or even better yet, actually participate in the political system and work to get things changed.
I thought this was a gun forum and not a political forum cassandrasdaddy
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but how can we really know what to think till radley balko tells us? oops never mind this isn't about legalizing smoke radleys out
I am very interested in the choice of a 14' barrel. Are Federal agencies exempt from the $200 tax stamp
All LE agencies on all levels and the military don't pay a transfer tax. It would be the equivalent of taking your money out of one pocket and putting it in the other.
how many branches of Federal law enforcement are there?
As ants related above, every department in the federal government is tasked with providing it's own security and criminal investigative function. This obviously casuses a lot of overlap but would you rather have one agency do everything? A single national police? Like the Federal Judicial Police in Mexico? There are Special Agents in the Forest Service and Health and Human Services that do criminal investigations, the National Zoo Police, and Supreme Court Police just to name a few.
Sounds like there was some money left in the budget at the end of the year.
No a planned purchase. The mad spending goes on in August and September as FY for budgets starts October 1.
What is the Office of the Inspector General doing in the Department of Education?
Every federal department has an Inspector General, Internal Affairs, Office of Professional Responsibility or something like that to police their agency.
All LE agencies on all levels and the military don't pay a transfer tax. It would be the equivalent of taking your money out of one pocket and putting it in the other.
how many branches of Federal law enforcement are there?
As ants related above, every department in the federal government is tasked with providing it's own security and criminal investigative function. This obviously casuses a lot of overlap but would you rather have one agency do everything? A single national police? Like the Federal Judicial Police in Mexico? There are Special Agents in the Forest Service and Health and Human Services that do criminal investigations, the National Zoo Police, and Supreme Court Police just to name a few.
Sounds like there was some money left in the budget at the end of the year.
No a planned purchase. The mad spending goes on in August and September as FY for budgets starts October 1.
What is the Office of the Inspector General doing in the Department of Education?
Every federal department has an Inspector General, Internal Affairs, Office of Professional Responsibility or something like that to police their agency.
ny32182
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You know, the Brady Bunch also gets their panties in a wad over a few shotguns... sheesh.
FloridaConfederate
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Honorable intentions not likely. This is simply another example of the tyranny being conducted through coercion when possible, through the point of a barrel when "necessary". The feds do not get it. When your vehicle doe not start over an over start thinking about what the cause is. Beating it with a bat does not solve the problem.
SSN Vet
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Our elite political masters must feel the need to protect themselves from the little peons they rule over.....
You see, we now have gov't of the people, by the elite, for the elite....
apparently the elite is concerned that the people might get ticked off and demand "change"
Gouranga
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So...doesn't the misuse/appropriations of education funds (i.e. fraud, embezzlement, etc) already fall under the jurisdiction of the FB freakin I? You wonder why the gubmnt is bankrupt?! We have a DOJ and FBI. We also have a number of state and local LE agencies perfectly capable of making arrests and investigation. Would it not be best to give firearms, training, and funding to a SINGLE law enforcement agency in the government not 700 of them?
mcdonl
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Ah, the hypocrites of THR are rearing their ugly heads. If this were ANY NON GOVERNMENT GROUP they would be applauded, and the discussion would be around the purchase of the guns, how they would be deployed, training, etc...
But because it was the Government buying the guns it turns into politics. I cannot believe this thread has not been shutdown yet.
Paranoid is more then a cool Black Sabbath song.
But because it was the Government buying the guns it turns into politics. I cannot believe this thread has not been shutdown yet.
Paranoid is more then a cool Black Sabbath song.
TexasRifleman
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I dunno. Seemed like a reasonable question to wonder why the Dept of Education would need NFA firearms.
I doubt very many people were aware they had an LE branch. I sure wasn't.
Learn something new every day.
mcdonl
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TRM, no offense meant. I posted on the first page the response from the buyer. I didn't know either. But then all of the rants about the the government vs us started. Silly.
The ATF, DEA and other specialized government offices have always had their own law enforcement and now we know the DOE is no different. Doesn't mean they are out to get us.
TexasRifleman
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Oh I'm with you, some people love to look for a conspiracy
bushmaster1313
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Looks like all the Federal Departments have an Office of Inspector General:
http://www.ignet.gov/igs/homepage1.html
Most curious point is why 14" barrels?
This could lead to an overturn of the finding in Miller that there was no evidence that a short barreled shotgun was a military weapon and thus not covered under the 2nd Amendment!
Note, one of the earlier posts picked this up first.
http://www.ignet.gov/igs/homepage1.html
Most curious point is why 14" barrels?
This could lead to an overturn of the finding in Miller that there was no evidence that a short barreled shotgun was a military weapon and thus not covered under the 2nd Amendment!
Note, one of the earlier posts picked this up first.
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