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Terrorist Academy in upstate NY

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  1. BADUNAME13

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    Terrorist Academy in upstate NY
    Why is this being reported by only the Canadian, and not the US media?
    Oh...that's right...it's in NEW YORK.
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    Springtime in Islamberg

    Radical Muslim paramilitary compound flourishes in upper New York state

    By Paul L. Williams Ph.D., (author of THE DAY OF ISLAM)

    With the able assistance of Douglas Hagmann, Bill Krayer and Michael Travis

    Friday, May 11, 2007

    Situated within a dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York, Islamberg is not an ideal place for a summer vacation unless, of course, you are an exponent of the Jihad or a fan of Osama bin Laden.

    The 70 acre complex is surrounded with "No trespassing" signs; the rocky terrain is infested with rattlesnakes; and the woods are home to black bears, coyotes, wolves, and a few bobcats.


    The entrance to the community is at the bottom of a very steep hill that is difficult to navigate even on a bright sunny day in May. The road, dubbed Muslim Lane, is unpaved and marred by deep crevices that have been created by torrential downpours. On a wintry day, few, save those with all terrain vehicles, could venture forth from the remote encampment.

    A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

    The sentry, at the time of this visit, is an African American dressed in Islamic garb - - a skull cap, a prayer shawl, and a loose fitting shalwat kameez. He instructs us to turn around and leave. "Our community is not open to visitors," he says.

    Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with any unauthorized intruders.

    The hillside is blighted by rusty trailers that appear to be without power or running water and a number of outhouses. The scent of raw sewage is in the air.

    The place is even off limits to the local undertaker who says that he has delivered bodies to the complex but has never been granted entrance. "They come and take the bodies from my hearse. They won't allow me to get past the sentry post. They say that they want to prepare the bodies for burial. But I never get the bodies back. I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's legal."

    On the other side of the hill where few dare to go is a tiny village replete with a make-shift learning center (dubbed the "International Quranic Open University"); a trailer converted into a Laundromat; a small, green community center; a small and rather squalid grocery store; a newly constructed majid; over forty clapboard homes; and scores of additional trailers.

    It is home to hundreds - - all in Islamic attire, and all African-Americans. Most drive late model SUVs with license plates from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, South Carolina, and Tennessee. The locals say that some work as tollbooth operators for the New York State Thruway, while others are employed at a credit card processing center that maintains confidential financial records.

    While buzzing with activity during the week, the place becomes a virtual hive on weekends. The guest includes arrivals from the inner cities of New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania and, occasionally, white-robed dignitaries in Ray-Bans from the Middle East.

    Venturing into the complex last summer, Douglas Hagmann, an intrepid investigator and director of the Northeast Intelligence Service, came upon a military training area at the eastern perimeter of the property. The area was equipped with ropes hanging from tall trees, wooden fences for scaling, a make-shift obstacle course, and a firing range. Hagmann said that the range appeared to have been in regular use.

    Islamberg is not as benign as a Buddhist monastery or a Carmelite convent. Nearly every weekend, neighbors hear sounds of gunfire. Some, including a combat veteran of the Vietnam War, have heard the bang of small explosives. None of the neighbors wished to be identified for fear of "retaliation." "We don't even dare to slow down when we drive by," one resident said. "They own the mountain and they know it and there is nothing we can do about it but move, and we can't even do that. Who wants to buy a property near that?"

    The complex serves to scare the bejeesus out of the local residents. "If you go there, you better wear body armor," a customer at the Circle E Diner in Hancock said. "They have armed guards and if they shoot you, nobody will find your body."

    At Cousins, a watering hole in nearby Deposit, a barfly, who didn't wish to be identified, said: "The place is dangerous. You can hear gunfire up there. I can't understand why the FBI won't shut it down."

    Islamberg is a branch of Muslims of the Americas Inc., a tax-exempt organization formed in 1980 by Pakistani cleric Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, who refers to himself as "the sixth Sultan Ul Faqr," Gilani, has been directly linked by court documents to Jamaat ul-Fuqra or "community of the impoverished," an organization that seeks to "purify" Islam through violence.

    Though primarily based in Lahore, Pakistan, Jamaat ul-Fuqra has operational headquarters in New York and openly recruits through various social service organizations in the U.S., including the prison system. Members live in hamaats or compounds, such as Islamberg, where they agree to abide by the laws of Jamaat ul-Fuqra, which are considered to be above local, state and federal authority. Additional hamaats have been established in Hyattsville, Maryland; Red House, Virginia; Falls Church, Virginia; Macon, Georgia; York, South Carolina; Dover, Tennessee; Buena Vista, Colorado; Talihina, Oklahoma; Tulane Country, California; Commerce, California; and Onalaska, Washington. Others are being built, including an expansive facility in Sherman, Pennsylvania.

    Before becoming a citizen of Islamberg or any of the other Fuqra compounds, the recruits - - primarily inner city black men who became converts in prison - - are compelled to sign an oath that reads: "I shall always hear and obey, and whenever given the command, I shall readily fight for Allah's sake."

    In the past, thousands of members of the U.S. branches of Jamaat ul-Fuqra traveled to Pakistan for paramilitary training, but encampments, such as Islamberg, are now capable of providing book-camp training so raw recruits are no longer required to travel abroad amidst the increased scrutiny of post 9/11.

    Over the years, numerous members of Jamaat ul-Fuqra have been convicted in US courts of such crimes as conspiracy to commit murder, firebombing, gun smuggling, and workers' compensation fraud. Others remain leading suspects in criminal cases throughout the country, including ten unsolved assassinations and seventeen fire-bombings between 1979 and 1990.

    The criminal charges against the group and the criminal convictions are not things of the past. In 2001, a resident of a California compound was charged with first-degree murder in the shooting of a sheriff's deputy; another was charged with gun-smuggling' and twenty-four members of the Red House community were convicted of firearms violations.

    By 2004 federal investigators uncovered evidence that linked both the DC "sniper killer" John Allen Muhammed and "Shoe Bomber" Richard Reid to the group and reports surfaced that Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl was captured and beheaded in the process of attempting to obtain an interview with Sheikh Gilani in Pakistan.

    Even though Jamaat ul-Fuqra has been involved in terror attacks and sundry criminal activities, recruited thousands of members from federal and state penal systems, and appears to be operating paramilitary facilities for militant Muslims, it remains to be placed on the official US Terror Watch List. On the contrary, it continues to operate, flourish, and expand as a legitimate nonprofit, tax-deductible charity.

    (Paul Williams is the author of THE AL QAEDA CONNECTION and forthcoming
    THE DAY OF ISLAM. Lee Boyland is the author of THE RINGS OF ALLAH).

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/...iams051107.htm




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    I say we set up Knob CreekII next to them... Felons with guns...

    And a pig roast!
     
  2. hexidismal

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    Well, it *is* a Free Country (used to be, anyway). Whatcha gonna do?

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    Can you say MOAB?
     
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    Watch it guys. Those are Hillary's supporters you are talking about.:eek:
     
  6. Biker

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    Me? I find these folks a bit threatening also. Having said that, do we deny folks their rights just because we find them threatening? What next...state militias?
    If they want to run around the hills yelling "Allah Akbar" while shooting AKs, ain't none o' my bidness until they bring it into town. Then things get interesting.

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  7. davhina

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    Call ghostbusters?:neener:
    True, what can we do? Are they breaking the law by protecting their property?
    From what i have read there is nothing, at this point, that can be done, as there has been no illegal activity.
     
  8. Phaetos

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    Problem is, they won't let anyone in to see what illegal stuff is going on INSIDE the compound. Something has to be going on in there. Sorry, I just don't trust any of them.
     
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    You can bet your booties that Morris Dees won't try to bankrupt them.

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  10. wooderson

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    So how do we feel about white people who have 'compounds' and 'arsenals'?
     
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    They don't *have* to let anyone inside that compound minus a warrant. If a cop is sure that something is going on inside your house, should he have a right to come in and look just because of a gut feeling?
    Besides, I'd be very surprised if the ATF of the Fibbies didn't already have a guy or gal 'in the loop', so to speak.

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    Yes, when I read - completely unverified - accounts of this sort, my first thought is to whine about a guy who made his name attacking white supremacist groups. How dare he?
     
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    Unsurprisingly, a quick search on Islamberg turns up a raft of right-wing/anti-Muslim sites repeating the claims of other right-wing/anti-Muslim sites... but not one independent, verifiable account of wrongdoing.

    Given the attitude of our current President and his 'aggressive pursuit' of the 'war on Terror,' one might suspect that all the bleating is simple paranoia.
     
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    Politicians are now being called Terrorist ?

    Heck we have known this for a long time now ...;)
     
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    I'm sort of tempted to make a day trip out of this and visit the area, just to see what I can see and hear what I can hear. If for no other reason than to verify the story, at least by accounts of locals.
     
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    This is more a a 'fringe' type media. You could take the whole story as a guy trying to hawk his books.
     
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    The description (100% black folks from big cities, Arab-style garb, unfriendly to outsiders, lots of visitors from inner cities on the weekends) makes it sound more like it might be a community devoted to black nationalism -- maybe something in the idea of the Nation of Islam (which is anything but Islam, by the way) with different dress standards and less phobia towards guns?

    Just a thought. Most of the "homegrown jihadi" stories involve primarily immigrants; this has little in common other than modes of dress...
     
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    I wonder if this is the same facility in the Catskills the Jewish Defense League terrorists used to use. :evil:
     
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    Felons and guns...
    (While I believe they should NOT be denied all their rights after they pay their debt...)

    I think they should be allowed to do what they do... but it shouldn't be ignored...
     
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    Me too.

    Look at some of the activities sponsored at another similar village with the same parent organization in South Carolina:

    Here's the reprehensible statement their parent organization made shortly after 9/11:

    We had better send in the troops today - who knows what comes next? A buddy told me that radical Quakers want to found a city west of New York! Worse yet, I've heard of an extreme religious group that wants to start a around some big salty lake somewhere in Utah? What's America coming too?

    Though a special ultra-super triple black deep cover operation, I found the websites for these danged terrorists. After you read these URLs, please destroy the computers you are using:

    http://www.islamberg.org/

    http://www.holyislamvillesc.org/

    By golly, just for THR, I used my nuclear powered Seal X-Ray cell phone, deep cover White House contacts, and my Ollie North decoder ring, and got the real estate records on them unholy scourges (note this is triple quadruple fantabulous top secret - don't tell nobody):

    http://www.uspdr.com/Consumer/generaldisplay.asp?unikey=1254003690000000100330000001&class=620&swis=125400

    To heck with the evidence, let's just nuke 'em.


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    Branch Davidians and other groups have been raided for much less. Where is AFT if there are explosions heard up there? They are a sect with automatic weapons, so bring on the tanks and the press and the 'non-incendiary devices'. Oh, I forgot, they are a group that merits special treatment, so we just let them do whatever.

    The only homeland security that exists is that which you own. Rather than report the news, the press ignores it because it would make it harded to sell their anti-gun agenda if people knew how close to home the danger lies.
     
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    Now, take that to the logical conclusion: if groups have been raided and prosecuted for less than what is claimed in the article, then why hasn't the ATF or another federal agency been involved?

    Two possible answers:

    First, there have been no legitimate reports of the claimed activities with evidence enough to warrant intervention. The claims in the article are at best paranoia and at worst complete and utter fiction.

    Second, the Bush Justice and Treasury Departments are looking the other way at Islamic (potential) terrorists operating inside the United States in plain view.

    Now, which is the more likely answer?

    (Hint: Occam's Razor)
     
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    Some of you guys need to go back and reread the constitution. Has any illegal activity been observed? Maybe, due to the bodies not being buried according to NY state health code. But wanting to be left alone and doing what you want on your property is not a crime unless someone else's rights are being violated. I say leave them alone. Unless they show themselves to be bloodthirsty zombie's then it is ON! :uhoh:
     
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    Personally, I'm just gonna wait for some enterprising media type to bring this up to Rudy or Hillary at their next debate & see the response.
    And yes, I'm sure the gub'mint already knows about them.
    And were this the mid '90s and it was a bunch of armed white people espousing some form of Christianity, the raid would've already occurred.
     
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    If locals have been complaining of explosions and gunfire I'm sure the Feds have gotten wind of it as well....or at least I hope....
     
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