Terrorist Academy in upstate NY

[foob]

Wow the assumptions people make from one rabid unsubstantiated article. And the absurd demands for security over civil liberties. Not surprising the government has been able to chip away all our rights.

Just THINK, some people shouted "God is Great" in arabic and fired some guns (all legal activity), a video store clerk notices this on video and notifies the FBI. FBI investigates this small tip vigorously and catch some terrorists.

You THINK, with the amount of activity the article mentions, the FBI would have done some snooping? You think homeland security just sits on their butts and twiddle their thumbs? Just mentioning you want to kill the president may get the SS knocking on your door.

Maybe, just maybe, no mainstream media outlet (Fox news included) reports it is because it isn't true? No it must be the evil mass media hiding the truth from us peons. A terrorist academy, what could be the biggest scoop of the year, but everybody doesn't want to touch it because they are blacks and muslims. Right......

And were this the mid '90s and it was a bunch of armed white people espousing some form of Christianity, the raid would've already occurred.

Oh the humanity. The majority being persecuted and oppressed. I blame the blacks actually. Their Jesse 'play the race card all the time' Jackson mentality has resulted in the white "we aren't free to practice Christianity" Christian persecution complex.

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A sentry post has been established at the base of the hill.

Sentry post? In front of a gated community in Beverly Hills it's a security guard post. In front of a muslim community it's a sentry post?

Next time one of you shoots in your backyard, I hope nobody calls it a 'paramilitary compound' or a 'terrorist academy'. My outdoor range could be referred as that. Also any boy scout camps that have obstacle courses and firearms ranges are screwed.

Behind the sentry and across a small stream stand dozens of inhabitants of the compound - - the men wearing skull caps and loose fitting tunics, the women in full burqa. They appear ready to deal with any unauthorized intruders.

Yes because being dressed in islamic attire means one appears ready to deal with intruders. Forget a bulletproof vest, I'm going to get myself a skull cap and a loose fitting tunic.

 

[wooderson]

And were this the mid '90s and it was a bunch of armed white people espousing some form of Christianity, the raid would've already occurred.

Is it George Bush's fault? Is he encouraging Islamic fundamentalism and potential terrorism within our borders?

Why hasn't he taken action?

 

[BADUNAME13]

Havn't read all this, but here:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2005/10/jamaat-ul-fuqra-in-virginia-part-1.html

It's not an issue about 'THE ATF SHOULD WHIPE THEM OUT.'

It's that these people declared holy WAR on us and ATTACKED and killed more than the Japs did during Pearl Harbor... and Joe Sixpack hasn't heard a WORD about this stuff...

WHY?

 

[wooderson]

"Gates of Vienna" - now that's an unbiased source!

 

[Car Knocker]

these people declared holy WAR on us and ATTACKED and killed more than the Japs did during Pearl Harbor

I thought those people perished in the attack?

 

[foob]

From the Gates of Vienna link:

"When we executed our search warrants," he said, "we found a cave with 30 firearms in it. Most of those firearms were military knockoffs, like AK-47s. We also found ammunition—6000 rounds."

Who doesn't have 6000 rounds, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Read the article in Gates of Vienna link. He has one named source, Shirley, who speculates a shiatload. And his own investigation leads to absolutely nothing, except a picture of a shack. Brilliant.

 

[wooderson]

It's that these people declared holy WAR on us and ATTACKED and killed more than the Japs did during Pearl Harbor... and Joe Sixpack hasn't heard a WORD about this stuff...

These people? You have definitive evidence that the people of Islamberg assisted in the planning of 9/11? That they have a direct connection al-Qaeda?

Why haven't you come forward with it? Have you? Is George Bush hiding the truth? Why?

 

[wooderson]

Surveillance reports of the compounds note that the residents remain in a fluid state and are continuously on the move.

Translation: Billy Bob and Johnny took the F-150 and parked on Main Street in the afternoon.

It's interesting that the long string of misdeeds attributed to the group is actually one convinction and a whole lot of "allegedly" clauses.

Ok, less 'interesting' than 'telling.'

 

[Car Knocker]

With the proper journalistic license, Front Sight and its inhabitants/personnel could be described in much the same terms.

 

[pharmer]

It's a good thing they are all grouped together. When the time comes they can be exterminated most efficiently. Joe

 

[wooderson]

Now that's some high roadin' right there.

 

[BADUNAME13]

wooderson, Car Knocker, and everyone else:

Before I was Deployed, and when I was in Iraq (On my down time) I read quite a bit about the Islamic culture.
I have also witnessed it first hand.

I susgest everyone do some reading on the subject.

Since my return, when the subject of the war comes up I say "I don't know if we should of gone, that's unimportant now anyway. I DO know that right now they are coming from all over the world to fight us there, and they have declared a Jihad, if we leave they will come here and attack us."

Please read up on Jihad... there are 2 types, look into them both. You will be enlightened.

-I must say, that not all Muslims have these viewpoints, but I liken them to lapsed Cathlics... (I have a couple as friends)


But, remember I said it: One day, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, they WILL bring the war to us.

Unfortunately, I think the Government will use that to increase the opression, as is true of any government in the same situation throught the ages.

Don't take my word for it, but please... find out for yourself.

 

[foob]

Nomad, what do you really mean by "bring the war to us"? Will thousands or hundreds of thousands of troops be landing on US soil?

Or is it more realistically, small cells of terrorists? We already have a buttload of tools to deal with them. Just recently the FBI arrested a bunch of them (Fort Dix terror plot).

Are you suggesting that we spend billions of dollars fighting in Iraq, losing more than one US soldier on average per day, just so small terror cells don't infiltrate the US? I'm not sure I see the benefit versus tradeoff here.

Did the Iraq war prevent the Fort Dix terror plot? The administration has said they have prevented numerous terror plots since the iraq war has started. But I thought the terrorists are all fighting in Iraq?

I'm sorry but your justification for the Iraqi war doesn't make sense. Terrorists are here apparently, and they are supposedly training in upstate NY too.

Maybe the iraq war has angered fringe muslims in the states, and instead of reducing terrorism, it has increased the likelihood on US soil.

But, remember I said it: One day, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, they WILL bring the war to us.

Unfortunately, I think the Government will use that to increase the opression, as is true of any government in the same situation throught the ages.

So no matter what is done in Iraq, Jihad will come to the US. So how do you use that to justify the war?

If you understand the government is using the fear of terrorists to increase oppression, why can't you understand the government is using the iraq war to increase oppression and corruption.

 

[gezzer]

Mucho Loose'o tinfoil on this one. Remeber shiny side out, or is it in?????

 

[wooderson]

Before I was Deployed, and when I was in Iraq (On my down time) I read quite a bit about the Islamic culture.
I have also witnessed it first hand.

You witnessed the events of a war zone as an enemy combatant. Do you think that the experiences of an American in Vietnam in 1967 would be identical to those of an American in 2007?

Since my return, when the subject of the war comes up I say "I don't know if we should of gone, that's unimportant now anyway. I DO know that right now they are coming from all over the world to fight us there, and they have declared a Jihad, if we leave they will come here and attack us."

How do you know this?

Is there a single indication that Iraq is 'keeping them tied up' compared to 2003 (no homeland attacks that I recall) or 2001 (hmm, seem to recall a big one) or 1999 (no again)?

No, there's an assumption without evidence or logic. But with a healthy dose of anti-Islamic paranoia.

There are more than a billion Muslims in the world. What percentage are part of these fundamentalist groups that have declared war on America and pledged to invade/destroy/etc.? Can you back that number up? Now what percentage of that percentage are currently inside Iraq? What keeps the remaining number from going ahead and attacking us?

-I must say, that not all Muslims have these viewpoints, but I liken them to lapsed Cathlics... (I have a couple as friends)

Given your reaction to a couple of undocumented stories, I would seriously question whether or not you feel that "not all Muslims" are your enemy.

 

[BADUNAME13]

I don't know what 'they' will do, I'm just a lowly enlisted man, and if I had that kind of intel on the enemy I wouldn't be posting here!

What I DO know, is that the 'Holy War' will continue untill we are all
-Dead
-Converted to Islam
-Slaves
This is what I said you should go and read for yourself...

I believe it is better for me to fight them there, with weapons, bodyarmor, and air support, than to have to try to stop a suicide bomber in Wallmart with just my 1911.
Or worry about my Mother/sisters when they go shopping.

Look at how Isreal lives... or heck, the things that are happening in Australia, and Europe... with women being raped cause they did not 'cover' themselves... it's our future unless we do something... I don't know what.

The more we kill there, the less get here.

I will NOT get into a 'War debate'
It isn't up to me, I can see nothing constructive coming from it.

 

[Catsailor]

Wow! I thought I had a level head but after reading this thread and applying the thought process of some I realized that since I have a German name = I MUST be a Natzi , no other resonable explanation. A private estate owned by people of dark skin and Islam faith = gotta be a terristorist training camp , no other explanation possible. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Come on, we that support the 2nd ammendment should know by now that the power of negative press can condem a person or group without a single verifible fact being released. Why would this story be treated any different?
I am pleased to see that many still believe in personal freedom, due process, ect. Sorry to rant but I am always amazed at how fast some are willing to sacrifice the liberty of others. :banghead:

 

[shootinstudent]

Nomad,

What do you recommend that we read? Specifically, where in the literature will I find support for this:

What I DO know, is that the 'Holy War' will continue untill we are all
-Dead
-Converted to Islam
-Slaves
This is what I said you should go and read for yourself...

?

 

[BADUNAME13]

wooderson Said:

Is there a single indication that Iraq is 'keeping them tied up' compared to 2003 (no homeland attacks that I recall) or 2001 (hmm, seem to recall a big one) or 1999 (no again)?

No, there's an assumption without evidence or logic. But with a healthy dose of anti-Islamic paranoia.

The evidence is the enemy combatants the coilition forces face, Europe, the Philopeans (Not many of these) other Middle eastern countries, I SAID go and research for yourself... you will find this to be true.

There are more than a billion Muslims in the world. What percentage are part of these fundamentalist groups that have declared war on America and pledged to invade/destroy/etc.? Can you back that number up? Now what percentage of that percentage are currently inside Iraq? What keeps the remaining number from going ahead and attacking us?

Read the Koran... all fateful followers of Islam... the only thing they hate more than us is a 'backslidden' muslem... they are instructed in the Koran to kill them also.
-I looked up the passages... go read it for yourself and see.

Quote:-I must say, that not all Muslims have these viewpoints, but I liken them to lapsed Cathlics... (I have a couple as friends)

Given your reaction to a couple of undocumented stories, I would seriously question whether or not you feel that "not all Muslims" are your enemy.

Thank you, Now why didn't you put it in plainer language and call me a FUC%!N liar straight out. It's the internet, you are free to do so without fear of reprisals.
Please find someone from War Rifles, Frugals, or the Minion and 'check out' my story of about a year ago when I helped out several Muslem women who were having some problems.
Also ask those who know me (Many personally) wether what I say is the truth (To the best of my knowledge/prespective) ALWAYS.

Now, since I have been very polite, despite your rudeness, and personal insults: I will refer you to my earlier post where I asked you to go out and READ AND LEARN on your own.

Please do so, I believe we as Americans should understand what we face.

 

[foob]

What I DO know, is that the 'Holy War' will continue untill we are all
-Dead
-Converted to Islam
-Slaves

Just because a bunch of muslims want it to continue doesn't mean it will succeed. They can keep trying and keep failing or have minimal success.

And it's really not a 'holy war', it's more like 'unholy really really small insignificant fight'.

I'll take a 9/11 every 100 years than a 100 years of living in fear.

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Everybody calm down. It's just a discussion (yes there is sarcasm, exaggerations, and snide remarks, I am guilty of all). No need to make it personal though. Anyway we are seriously off-topic.

 

[wooderson]

Look at how Isreal lives...

Israel, which just happens to exist smack-dab in the middle of what was Islamic territory for 1000 years?

Yeah, that's totally analgous to a larger, religiously and ethnically diverse secular state separated by half a globe.

or heck, the things that are happening in Australia, and Europe... with women being raped cause they did not 'cover' themselves... it's our future unless we do something... I don't know what.

A questionable assertion in the first place, but I fail to see how this is akin to an invasion and conflict on American soil.

The more we kill there, the less get here.

The more we kill there, the more of 'them' there are. You might have noticed that 'on the ground.'

I will NOT get into a 'War debate'

That's pretty weird, because you're the one who brought it up.

 

[BADUNAME13]

Nomad,

What do you recommend that we read? Specifically, where in the literature will I find support for this:

It's been a while since I read them (We passed them around the Plt)
But start with the Koran... I've got a few of the passages I printed off where they talk about how to treat the infadels... that I printed off about a year ago when this came up I think on War rifles.

And I'll try to find what the books were, and look for the print out...

 

[wooderson]

The evidence is the enemy combatants the coilition forces face, Europe, the Philopeans (Not many of these) other Middle eastern countries, I SAID go and research for yourself... you will find this to be true

Yes, there are 'enemy combatants' in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Phillipines (where insurrection is something of a time-honored tradition). Stating that they exist in no way proves your case that they would otherwise have massed, wholesale on American soil.

Read the Koran... all fateful followers of Islam... the only thing they hate more than us is a 'backslidden' muslem... they are instructed in the Koran to kill them also.
-I looked up the passages... go read it for yourself and see.

So contrary to your other words, all Muslims are out to kill us (specifically me, given that I'm not even a 'person of the book')? All one billion?

Are they all concentrated in Iraq right now? No? So roughly 970 million of them are not in Iraq at this moment?

So how is Iraq keeping them from invading us, again?

Thank you, Now why didn't you put it in plainer language and call me a FUC%!N liar straight out.

I didn't say you didn't have Muslim friends. I don't particularly give a good god-damn if you do or don't.

What I questioned was your simultaneous assertions that not all Muslims are jihadists, but by definition their religion requires them to be such.

 

[jpk1md]

Folks, wake up!

If the Fed wants to know whats going on all they need to do is sick a satellite on it or do a little high altitude recon with camera's....done deal

Can you say Predator? Smile for the Camera OSAMA!

 

[shootinstudent]

Nomad,

As far as I'm aware (at least from my reading), the word infidel isn't used in the Qu'ran. As in, not even once.

I think you might be substituting "gates of vienna" for actual reading of what Muslims have to say.