Testing two Spina Optics scopes.

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(Work in progress, ill finish this tomorrow as I need to retake some pictures and try somethings)

I took delivery of two Spina optics scopes yesterday. Ordered from amazon, these came directly from China.
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2-12x44

1-4x20


If you dont feel like reading the whole thing the short of it is this.
They are worth about what I spent on them, but I would not buy them for anything serious, and unless I simply couldn't afford a better optic I wouldn't buy either of these. That said, these are about as cheap an option as Spina offers, their higher-cost items could well be great deals. As long as neither explodes in use, and given my current experience with THESE scopes, id be willing to try one of the more expensive ones.

Major thoughts/complaints

Build quality and weight are both a little low. IE they weigh significantly less than similar Chinese optics and there are noticeable aberrations in the feel of adjustments.

Appearance (fit and finish) are quite good.

Glass is plenty adequate for hunting/shooting in reasonably well-lit conditions. Both fall apart at the edges of legal shooting time here. Eyebox/relief on the 2-12 is noticeably tight (and I dont generally notice a tight eye box).

Tracking on the 2-12 is pretty straight, but the distance moved per click is inconsistent (possibly sticky erector). The 1-4 is also returns to zero pretty well, but uses tool adjustable turrets so i didnt bother with a tracking test.


Reviews of the specific optics.

2-12x44

Optics.
Reasonably decent in terms of clarity, and resolution, didnt really notice any CA (but I havent been looking either). This is when looking at stuff at its focus distance. Inside and outside it degrades quickly.
It dosent seem to have a long a focal range (or whatver its called) as other similar optics. USUALLY I can force an image to resolve when its anywhere close to the range the scopes set for, but this one it has to be really, really, close to the setting.

First there are just after sunset.
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10x, 110ydz, 1/2hr after sunset.
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Build quality.
It FEELs pretty decent in your hand, the power ring moves smoothly with no slop, as dose the diopter adjustment. The illumination knob turns smoothly with the expected quishy "click" into position.
The turrets are kinda squishy, both in adjustment, and in the up/down locking mechanism. They also dont line up exactly. I cleaned out the white lithium they used on the orings (double orings so even when up the turret is sealed from water) and they got noticeably better. Not great, or even good really, but very useable.
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Tracking.
It actually tracks pretty well in terms of not wandering all over. up/down and left/right go in straight lines. The distance traveled per click isn't consistent. Return to zero APPEARS to be pretty good so far. I'll stick them both on my pellet gun to see how close it is in the next day or three.
(my fixture is a little loose which i believe accounted for some of the variations in RT-0)

Will update with more after I sleep for a bit......tired now.....
 
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Illuminated reticle on the 2-12
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1-4x20

Optics.
Again pretty decent clarity and resolution, and minimal CA. I can focus the image thru the scope down to about 25yds on 4x.
The eye box is decent on this one, and eye relief is about 4"
The major complaint i have with this ones optica are that they are moderately dim. No better than the naked eye, even on 1x.
On the plus side this is a true, or very close to true 1x.
Overall this would be fine for most tasks a 1-4 would be used for.

Full morning sun

4x
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2.5x
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1x
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Early evening yesterday. Phone enhanced the image.
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Build Quality.

This one is pretty decent as well. The adjustments are smooth, and the turrets offer decent clicks. All the threads are clean and the finish is good.
The glaring issue for me is the slop in the power adjustment. Theres a few degrees of travel before the adjustments grabs going both directions.

The illumination battery is smaller than a 2032, im assuming its a 1616 or so.

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Tracking.

Again this one tracks pretty well in terms of the adjustments moving in a straight line and RT-0. Whether or not the numbers match i cant say from the testing ive done so far.

I put this on on my airgun. It zero'd in one shot, and then went out one full rev and back right and down.
Box was sitting a little canted left, which is why the tracking looks a little crooked.
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So over all these things WORK right out of the box. They arnt nice optically, and i havent tested reliability or longevity (which i will) but for an initial assessment they pass functionally.

As i said early in the first post. I wouldnt recommend them for anyone who could afford better, but if this is whats available they should work fine.
 
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Thanks for putting that up. Interesting in that I've never heard of Spina Optics. It will be cool to see the rest of the report on them, complete with pictures. Hope they both work out well for you.
 
Thanks for putting that up. Interesting in that I've never heard of Spina Optics. It will be cool to see the rest of the report on them, complete with pictures. Hope they both work out well for you.
Working on it. Should have pictures of the other one up today
 
Gun show special I keep thinking, I like the basic reticle and it's not a bad looking scope. 2-12x44 would be a very nice range of hunting scope, to bad it's so dim in low light.
Funny, the one gunshow I went to here there were a couple tables full of "scopes" I bought a couple for 40 bucks. These are way better than that, but yeah very similar lol.
 
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Do you think Leupold scopes are better than these, if you do think so in what way are they better ? The reason I ask is that I have several Leupold scopes and I honestly don't think they are any better than the Spina scopes. I can not shoot any better with my Leupolds. :)

Have you given more expensive scopes the air rifle treatment ? That wrecks scopes in no time.
 
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This is a basic one without an illuminated reticle which I would never use anyway. 2.8-10X40 It has a fine reticle and quality glass.
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Do you think Leupold scopes are better than these, if you do think so in what way are they better ? The reason I ask is that I have several Leupold scopes and I honestly don't think they are any better than the Spina scopes. I can not shoot any better with my Leupolds. :)

Have you given more expensive scopes the air rifle treatment ? That wrecks scopes in no time.
In good light the Spinas i have provided a plenty good enough image to shoot.
The tight focus range and eyebox on the 2-12 would limit the power or the range depending on how you wanted to deal with image resolution (I thought this had side focus, didnt actually read the description), and requires very consistent head placement.


But otherwise no issues using them to shoot in good light.

Where i see optical issues is when using them in low light conditions. Both are significantly less bright than my other similarly (but slightly more expensive) priced optics.

Ive been into airguns for a while, and I've broken a few scopes with springers. Leupolds are airgun rated, and Ive had my Vx-3 on an un-tuned high energy springer when i didnt have another scope to use on it.

Ill put the Spinas on my current springer which is tuned (reduces the harshness of the recoil) and see how they do. After I shoot them a bit more on my co2 gun.

Again IF all i had was 100 bucks and i couldnt find a decent sale on other optics id be comfortable with one of these.
 
I been thinking about this one. Seams awful cheap for a FFP scope.
Thats because it is.....

But it might do everything the buyer wants. It all depends on the users demand on the optic.

I like pretty much all optics price ranges, i spend a decent amount of time buying and selling used scopes on ebay, and ive played with alot of cheap off brands. When someone says "you get what you pay for!" I agree, but you also have to gauge if your paying for what you actually want/need.
 
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In good light the Spinas i have provided a plenty good enough image to shoot.
The tight focus range and eyebox on the 2-12 would limit the power or the range depending on how you wanted to deal with image resolution (I thought this had side focus, didnt actually read the description), and requires very consistent head placement.


But otherwise no issues using them to shoot in good light.

Where i see optical issues is when using them in low light conditions. Both are significantly less bright than my other similarly (but slightly more expensive) priced optics.

Ive been into airguns for a while, and I've broken a few scopes with springers. Leupolds are airgun rated, and Ive had my Vx-3 on an un-tuned high energy springer when i didnt have another scope to use on it.

Ill put the Spinas on my current springer which is tuned (reduces the harshness of the recoil) and see how they do. After I shoot them a bit more on my co2 gun.

Again IF all i had was 100 bucks and i couldnt find a decent sale on other optics id be comfortable with one of these.
I was shooting again this morning with the cheapest ( I think ) Spina scope they offer.

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The light was good I suppose, truth be told I never pay any real attention the the light, I just shoot my rifle. If it's obviously too dark I use the night vision :)

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I was shooting again this morning with the cheapest ( I think ) Spina scope they offer.

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The light was good I suppose, truth be told I never pay any real attention the the light, I just shoot my rifle. If it's obviously too dark I use the night vision :)

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That ones a little less than the 2-12. The 1-4 i have was about 60 bucks.

I expected these to be about like they are, the only rel surprise is the sloppy power ring, and how well the adjustments work.
 
That ones a little less than the 2-12. The 1-4 i have was about 60 bucks.

I expected these to be about like they are, the only rel surprise is the sloppy power ring, and how well the adjustments work.
That one of mine was $87 Canadian, so probably about $60 in USD. The power rings, on mine are all tight, in fact it's awkward to turn the ones with the assist lever without using the lever. The adjustments are good too, I adjust the turret to raise the POI and it raises the POI, I turn the turret to lower the POI and it lowers the POI, it does that every single time without fail ! :)

What I look for in a scope is one that is tough and reliable, a scope that I can shoot a rifle with as well as with any other scope. What do you are look for ?

PS, I bought mine directly from China with Ali Express, that way I don't have to pay extra for using Amazon .
 
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What do you are look for ?
It kinda depends on what i want to do with the optic.
Absolute requirements are holding zero and having decent enough glass that i can see what im shooting at. They also have to fit the rifle.....

If im using it as a pure hunting optic, that and a decent eyebox are all I really require. BUT optical quality in low light is important so that i can see what im shooting at.
Night vision isnt an option for me, unless im on someone's damage control permit.

A short-mid range .22 target optic needs lower focus ranges, and greater adjustments that track true and accurate. I want higher power also.

Short range plinker rim or centerfire, I want a comfortable scope to use. Good eyebox/relief, decent optics, and reasonably easy/accurate to adjust as i often shoot random ammo. The rest is kinda optional.

Long range and longerrrr range, i want the most accurate turrets i can get (nothings more rewarding than than making a first round hits, and inaccurate turrets make that almost impossible), a comfortable to use scope, and optics that dont hurt my eyes. If my targets a little fuzzy.....or not quite the right color im ok with that, so long as it dosent cause strain. Kinda dim? Meh, i only play this game in decent light, and in areas where visibility is close to perfect. So unless im using the gun for hunting also, super bright isnt a major requirement.

If i could afford to shoot top tier optics on everything (or even one of them without selling most of the rest), i would....they ARE better.
But as it stands i make my concessions, pay muh dollahz, and enjoy what ive got.
 
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Obviously nothing I have bought from Spina is a long range scope, they are mid range scopes and perfect for the job. Yesterday I shot a 2" 18 shot group at 100 mtrs on a swinging gong with a WK 181, that's as good as it gets.

Do you have a lot of low light where you live ? :)
 
I ordered a Vortex Diamond back from Ar 15 discounts. 299.00 with my discount code.
Friend of mine has the 4-16DBT, its a pretty nice scope.
They are nicer than the standard DBs which i liked well enough on their own....tight eyebox, again which i dont usually notice.
 
Yeah it will be my second one. A little story on it. My 1st one was on my 770 30.06. I put my it on a AR 15 then. So the new one will go on the 770. I have a buck masters 4-16x44 on it now. Im going to put the buck masters on my 760 then.
 
To bad my Siamese wasn't drilled and taped I'd give it some class 4 loads to test on under some recoil lol. Don't like the whole reticle is illuminated, just to much light coming back at your eye. That lpvo doesn't look to bad, fine for someone that doesn't shoot much and don't need to rely on its working.
 
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