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When I was ten or eleven, I used to liked looking through a Stoeger's Shooter's Bible. Some of the guns that Stoeger itself marketed were illustrated in color. These included Mannlicher-Schoenaur rifles and carbines, some neat Spanish doubles, and Llama pistols.

A pistol that caught my eye was the little 1911-like Llama semi-auto. The plated and engraved model with pearl grips was beautiful--"just my size", and it looked like the nickel plated "Colt .45 Automatic" that my uncle kept under his pillow.

My 1944 Gun Digest still listed the Colt pocket automatic.

Those were my introduction to the .380 ACP. Years later, a friend who was selling an old Llama said it wasn't very good.

I read of semi-automatic pistols in that caliber that were once used by the police and military forces of Germany and Italy.

I think I remember Ken Waters as having described the .380 as the minimum for defensive use.

Later, I handled the pre-GCA Browning .380 in a gun store. I really liked how thin it was. I did not know enough about defensive shooting to think about disengaging that safety in a hurry.

Just before GCA '68 was enacted, a friend bought a Walther PPK. I liked shooting it.

When the LCP came out, a number of local LEOs were buying them for backup. One of my officer friends disapproved, and said he thought only one commercial load marginally acceptable. Of course, there have been advancements in ammunition since then.

I handled an early LCP in a store. I did not like it.

A few years ago, a friend who is a nurse started looking at handguns. I could not get out to help, and she went to a store with a range. She tried several guns and selected a Browning 1911 .380.

A few days ago, someone here posted a video on the new LCP Max, a pistol of which I had not heard. I was surprisingly impressed.

I did some research and some thinking, with the idea of acquiring one for occasional back-up.

It came home today. If anything, I would like the grip to be a tad wider.

Ammunition? One box only, FMJ, at $1.00 per round. That's the next challenge.
 
It must be about 30 years ago that I bought a Grendel. Ten rounds of 380 in a small, lightweight pistol with a DAO trigger.

Of course, you needed a stripper clip to load it fast. And it jammed a lot. And the manual warned you not to dry fire it, because the "hammer" was made out of thin steel plate. But it came with a lifetime guarantee! Which is why the company disappeared. (I think it voluntarily liquidated itself before it went bankrupt, and then reformed as Kel-Tec, but that may be completely wrong.)

I am glad somebody was finally able to do this right. It was a good idea, which is why there are so many useless Grendels around. I hope Kleanbore got a good gun.

PS - See OneTexan's post below (#5) for someone who had good experiences with Grendels.
 
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If you reload 380 is inexpensive. I even use some blunt 115gr 9mm coated bullets. They work fine. I'm waiting for the LCP MAX to come to the local Sportsman's Warehouse. I have a couple hundred in gift certificates burning a hole in my pocket. Enjoy your new gun.
 
I carried a .380 for many years, before my current 9mm. First, an AMT DAO .380, with an 87# trigger pull... or thereabouts. I carried it for about 4 years until the slide cracked in half. Next up was a Colt's Government .380 stainless.. a very nice pistol that I still have. I probably like shooting it as much as any 1911... I just really don't like reloading .380. My brother, who always has to have something different, went and got a PPK/s... which is kind of a groovy pistol, but I hate shooting it, really. The blowback action is almost crude compared to the locked breech of the Colt Government.
 
Ammunition? One box only, FMJ, at $1.00 per round. That's the next challenge.

Give it time, it will come down. That said, I am still shooting off my pile of 380.

I also put a conversion slide on my favourite 380, a Browning 1911-380, so that I can shoot 22lr out of it.

Here is my Colt 380 Government Model
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While the colt 380 Government Model is no longer made, there are all on the market.
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Well, my 380acp itch was scratched by a Beretta 84F. I didn’t really buy it with serious use in mind…it was a pistol I had wanted when I was young, but couldn’t afford. When bargain surplus Berettas showed up, I couldn’t resist.
It is a fantastic shooting pistol. Reliable, and more accurate than any 380 I’ve shot before.
It gets some carry.
 
If you reload 380 is inexpensive. I even use some blunt 115gr 9mm coated bullets. They work fine. I'm waiting for the LCP MAX to come to the local Sportsman's Warehouse. I have a couple hundred in gift certificates burning a hole in my pocket. Enjoy your new gun.
Even if you don't reload .380 is inexpensive, at least it costs less than .40 and .45 do. That said, I think I will get into reloading for .380 because I shoot maybe 250 rds of it a year and can bang that number of rounds out in about 3 hours in the reloading room.
 
.380 is better today than it ever was, but that could be said for any caliber that's gotten support from the ammo industry. Still struggles with most hollow points, but Lehigh and Inceptor (if you can find the ammo) is extremely viable for self defense use in .380.

IDK how the LCP Max shoots, but I know how the LCP shoots, which is fine for 7 to 10 yards.

I'm in no rush to get the LCP Max, but it's cool to see.
 
I think the 380 ACP is perfectly capable for self defense, especially if you're smart about your choice of defensive ammo. With a mild expanding hollow point that can still achieve good penetration, like the Hornady 90gr XTP, it still performs within the FBI ballistic minimum standards. Of all the handgun cartridges I own, the 380 is my exclusive protector in the summer time. It's just so easy to carry, yet will still do the job if called upon (with proper shot placement).

I really appreciate my 380s, they are the guns that spend the most time by my side!
My Ruger LCP, and Walther PPK.
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Gets a little carry as an extra. I'm not in love with .380, but I love this little booger. The night sights make me feel like they intended it to be a carry gun. Never had a malfunction so far, even when I've intentionally neglected to clean the pocket lint out of it.
ETA. It does meet most of the criteria discussed in the Back-up gun thread, including one-handed manipulation.
 
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Currently I have three .380s: a Colt Mustang, it's close cousin a SIG P238, a KelTec P3AT. The Colt is probably my favorite one to shoot as the trigger is pretty decent and it's fairly accurate. While the SIG has better sights, it's trigger is not yet as smooth as the Colt. The KelTec is used primarily as a back-up pocket carry gun and for that purpose it plays it's role very well. Would like to add one or two more as I seem to have quite an abundance of .380 ammo these days!
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When I was ten or eleven, I used to liked looking through a Stoeger's Shooter's Bible. Some of the guns that Stoeger itself marketed were illustrated in color. These included Mannlicher-Schoenaur rifles and carbines, some neat Spanish doubles, and Llama pistols.

A pistol that caught my eye was the little 1911-like Llama semi-auto. The plated and engraved model with pearl grips was beautiful--"just my size", and it looked like the nickel plated "Colt .45 Automatic" that my uncle kept under his pillow.

My 1944 Gun Digest still listed the Colt pocket automatic.

Those were my introduction to the .380 ACP. Years later, a friend who was selling an old Llama said it wasn't very good.

I read of semi-automatic pistols in that caliber that were once used by the police and military forces of Germany and Italy.

I think I remember Ken Waters as having described the .380 as the minimum for defensive use.

Later, I handled the pre-GCA Browning .380 in a gun store. I really liked how thin it was. I did not know enough about defensive shooting to think about disengaging that safety in a hurry.

Just before GCA '68 was enacted, a friend bought a Walther PPK. I liked shooting it.

When the LCP came out, a number of local LEOs were buying them for backup. One of my officer friends disapproved, and said he thought only one commercial load marginally acceptable. Of course, there have been advancements in ammunition since then.

I handled an early LCP in a store. I did not like it.

A few years ago, a friend who is a nurse started looking at handguns. I could not get out to help, and she went to a store with a range. She tried several guns and selected a Browning 1911 .380.

A few days ago, someone here posted a video on the new LCP Max, a pistol of which I had not heard. I was surprisingly impressed.

I did some research and some thinking, with the idea of acquiring one for occasional back-up.

It came home today. If anything, I would like the grip to be a tad wider.

Ammunition? One box only, FMJ, at $1.00 per round. That's the next challenge.

If you want or need a wider version of the LCP Max,please do look at the rubber grip adapters that are made for so many pistols.

It will also make that a much softer shooter.

I fired well over 40 rounds today and I will confess = I used a shooting glove as I have OLD HANDS.

The glove allows me to shoot many more rounds than I would otherwise , AND it has come to my attention that under stress = you WILL NOT FEEL ANY RECOIL !.

So not feeling that recoil during training is not an issue.

For the size and abilitys of this SUB,SUB compact SELF DEFENSE tool ---- I am happy with her.

All rounds were fired offhand at 7 yards.

This main target was a mag dump X 2 with ball ammo.

A very convincing argument for " you chose the wrong victim".

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The Sig P238, Kimber Micro 380, and Springfield Armory 911 380 are all based off the older Colts which itself started life as Spanish made Star pistol. They are all good to go. I have slimmed down my collection of 380 pistols over the years and am down to two. I have an older Llama IIIA (baby 1911) and a Kel-Tec P3AT. I still carry the P3AT when I need something small and discreet. While my Llama IIA is older, it is blowback and doesn't use a barrel link like the earlier versions did. Both pistols have been very reliable for me. I reload all of my training/range ammo. I scored a bunch of Berry's 100 grain bullets years ago that I use for reloading my 380 ammo.
 
I was a bit late in the 380 acp game .. my first was a new FEG in 380acp back in 1992 .. it was a two tone pistol really stood out in the counter .. and for
2 bills it was mine & a box of FMJ ammo thrown in .. I really liked the pistol and the blow back design.. second was the ultra small Keltec .. perfect pocket pistol .. then the next was a Bersa … great little pistol.. I have had at least one 380 pistol in my safe since 92 … I now own a Taurus TCP & a LCP MAX
Like’em both … the MAX so far is a great little pistol
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I've liked the .380ACP since I first tried out a Mauser HSc at the gun club as a kid. One of the RO's brought it to show off. He let some of us kids who had already learned pistols try it out. Smooth, easy to shoot, kicked harder than a .22 revolver but that was kind of the point - but the sights were hard to figure out and the loading/unloading routine was a little confusing. I got one in my 20's, then an Mod. 4 in 9mmK (with a .22 barrel and magazine), and then the flood-gates were open - Beretta 1934, CZ 82, SA 911, Walther PK380... and probably a few more I'm forgetting.

I just loaded 50 rounds of .380ACP tonight - 3.2gr of W231 under a Hornady 100gr. FMJ in new Precision-One cases, CCI 500 primers. I like FMJ in .380ACP - FMJ's are good for reliability and accuracy.
 
I only own one 380, A stainless Bersa Thunder CC.
I'm a 1911 guy but that Thunder 380 fits a need for a 10 plus 1, small auto for concealed summer carry, and dress up pocket carry..

I bought my first Bersa Thunder in 1998 for $195, a .32 ACP, and several more since then. I've gifted the majority of them to family members and currently have a .22 LR model in the safe.

Like bikerdoc my brother was a 1911 guy. I gifted him a Bersa CC model two years before he passed. The Bersa never replaced his Commander 1911 full time but the big auto took a back seat to the CC on Sundays and Weds. night bible study.
 
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