Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Garandimal, Feb 1, 2019.
I still think we should have gone with the .280 British back in the 1950s.
They came out with the 270 Winchester 95 years ago, that’s got to count for something.
Since 1923, it has become obvious that people don’t always want a black car nor do they like to hand crank them from the front though...
Yeah but you look like a NAVY plant, maybe to throw water all over the subject ...
yeah but you would all have to hand carry those 1000 lb bombs to targets
An E-3 in every squad that can engage multiple targets with near 100% hit rate to 600 meters?
What is THAT worth?
Not much in reality.
Afghanistan is an extreme outlier in fighting conditions and ranges to target. Plus the ROE’s are super restrictive making the use of company and battalion level mortar assets almost impossible to utilize.
Fact is the vast majority of the world lives in more densely populated areas than Afghanistan, and most fights are likely to not be at 200+ meters.
This is a fools errand and a waste of money. Figure out how to make a 60mm mortar lighter, more accurate, and easier to use. That will be more useful.
For one rifleman/squad?
Extreme outlier... super restrictive... battalion level mortar assets almost impossible to utilize... are likely to not be... waste of money...
Mortars, and not a precision rifle, in a densely populated environment?
And, what hasn't been mentioned yet, ttbomk, is that - this technology already exists - and there is a very real chance that out troops will be facing suppressed long range precision rifles in the future.
Good to have a chair when the music stops.
Precision rifle capabilities are not important enough to burden the logistics system, and small units with a caliber addition. Burdening the individual soldier or Marine with a heavy, specialized long gun, that takes different ammo than the rest of the fire team or squad is a stupid self imposed handicap. It’s a dumb enough idea that the brass will inevitably love it, and some poor Lance Corporal is going to be lugging around 20lb pile of garbage that rarely if ever gets used.
This is the kind of idiocy that happens when you have a bunch of Colonels and SNCO’s who’ve spent 15+ years fighting an insurgency (poorly I might add) with overly restrictive ROE’s in a very open rural area, with a force that cannot move quickly because their light infantry are so over burdened with kit. So all they know is we cannot move, and bad guys are far away, so we want to shoot stuff far away. So let’s change all our gear for the next fight, to address the problems we imposed on ourselves in the last one.
This mindset is completely and fundamentally flawed.
Big Army is always preparing to fight the last war.
If you were prepared for the next war you probably could have avoided it.
What happened to "Use the right tool for the job"?
How many times has the M-14 been brought back from permanent retirement?
Just because a weapon or tool has been issued to a unit doesn't mean that that tool or weapon must be carried by that unit in every situation.
-If you prepare for the typical battle in the average war then you have already lost.
We seem to be off in the weeds on this one, let's call it a day.
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