The dentist, Guns, and a pain in my face!

[BIGBANG]

So I was at the dentist today getting a filling redone. And during the drilling I realized that I was carrying my 1911. This isn't that big a deal what got me thinkin is I was shot up with Novocain, (or however you spell it.) so after the dentist was done I got in my car and drove home. My question is does being under the influence of Novocain make me forfeit albeit temporarily my right to carry or not? your thoughts?

 

[BADUNAME37]

Are you able to carry on a conversation without drooling all over the place? Are you able to walk in a straight line?

I believe the only time you would be void would be if you are taking some kind of medicine that you just cannot get enough of, taking it without doctor supervision, buying it on the street, taking it with other things to get some kind of high off it, etc.

 

[Warp]

Novacain shouldn't effect your ability to carry at all. Also, as it happens, I was at the dentist today getting a big, DEEP filling and I got plenty of novacine shot into there (still felt it though). I was, of course, carrying. And I drove home. I never even thought about carrying/driving and a local painkiller. (or whatever it is classified as)

 

[Mike1234567]

I was stopped by a policeman back in the early 90's when I had a wad of packing in my gums after I had a wisdom tooth extracted. He asked if the dentist gave me anything for pain and I said. "Yes, but just...". He interrupted me and said, "So, you're driving under the influence then". I removed the packing and clarified that the dentist only gave me a shot of novocaine. He then began a tirade that I'll never understand why he felt was necessary... all kinds of threats and innuendos. Oh well. I kept my cool so he eventually left me alone.

 

[Black Knight]

Novocaine should not cause any problems carrying a weapon unless they used it in your shooting arm instead of your jaw. You should be just fine. Now there's a thought, Novocaine in your gun hand. Try holding a gun with that in your hand.

 

[Warp]

Novocaine should not cause any problems carrying a weapon unless they used it in your shooting arm instead of your jaw. You should be just fine. Now there's a thought, Novocaine in your gun hand. Try holding a gun with that in your hand.

That's the only way I would volunteer to shoot a full house .357 out of an airlite (or even air weight) J-frame.

 

[BIGBANG]

I see, is there any law anywhere that states what drugs are considered restrictive or anything. I mean besides alcohol, like a list that would name all the drugs prohibited for carrying. The only reason I ask is because I didn't find anything, and I think it would be informative especially if there were any state specific laws.

 

[Walkalong]

I have never carried in a dentists office. So far I have always made it back to the car.

 

[jcwit]

Novacaine is a pain blocker at the site of the operation, does not effect brain function at all. May maKke one slobber but doesn't make one sweat.

 

[BADUNAME37]

Controlled drugs are prohibited to be used unless under a physician's care.

Addiction is different than Dependence. People are dependent on many different medications in order for their body to properly function, from blood pressure meds to cholesterol meds to meds to control chronic pain.

If someone lies, cheats and steals to get their medications, and they take more than what is prescribed, and they can never get enough, then one must look at addiction.

 

[gearhead]

In some states, medical offices are prohibited locations. I was told during my CWP class that my state (SC) prohibits carry in medical offices unless permission is granted by the owner.

 

[84B20]

First of all Novocaine is no longer used in most dental offices and was replaced by Lidocaine years ago. Here is an explanation:

Novocaine is the trade name for Procaine, a local anesthetic which replaced Cocaine for medical use in 1905. The drug Procaine belongs to a chemical group called esters which can create severe side effects and allergies.

Procaine is infrequently used today. This is partly because of the side effects of ester anesthetics but mostly because it was replaced in dental and medical use by a much better compound, Lidocaine, in the 1940s. The source of Lidocaine is completely different from Procaine. However, in order to position the new medication in the market place the inventors gave it a name that people would recognize as an anesthetic with a ‘caine’ on the end.

Therein lies the confusion.
Lidocaine is neither an alkaloid nor an ester. It is a new type of pain relief which is hypoallergenic and used topically has no side effect and no actions beyond the area of application.

At least this is what my dentist told me she uses. And I do wear my firearm when I visit her office.

 

[SARDiver]

I was stopped by a policeman back in the early 90's when I had a wad of packing in my gums after I had a wisdom tooth extracted. He asked if the dentist gave me anything for pain and I said. "Yes, but just...". He interrupted me and said, "So, you're driving under the influence then". I removed the packing and clarified that the dentist only gave me a shot of novocaine. He then began a tirade that I'll never understand why he felt was necessary... all kinds of threats and innuendos. Oh well. I kept my cool so he eventually left me alone.

That'll teach you to drive through Canton after having your teeth worked on.

 

[kingpin008]

Novocaine is a local anesthetic - it shouldn't cause any sort of intoxication. Therefore, a non-issue in regards to firearms.

 

[Mike1234567]

That'll teach you to drive through Canton after having your teeth worked on.

Actually, that was Lubbock, TX. If it had happened in Canton, OH I would have been executed.

 

[Warp]

In some states, medical offices are prohibited locations. I was told during my CWP class that my state (SC) prohibits carry in medical offices unless permission is granted by the owner.

That sucks. I never heard of that before.

 

[Dr_B]

I don't usually carry in the dentist's office only because my pistol could fall out while I'm leaning back in that chair. I would think anyone would be OK as far as drugs are concerned as long as it isn't Valium or laughing gas.

 

[84B20]

I don't usually carry in the dentist's office only because my pistol could fall out while I'm leaning back in that chair. I would think anyone would be OK as far as drugs are concerned as long as it isn't Valium or laughing gas.

Get yourself a Blackhawk Serpa holster, then your firearm won't fall out.

 

[Warp]

I don't usually carry in the dentist's office only because my pistol could fall out while I'm leaning back in that chair. I would think anyone would be OK as far as drugs are concerned as long as it isn't Valium or laughing gas.

I think you need a holster upgrade

 

[bottom shelf]

I always carry to the dentist. The Doc and I compare what we're carrying at the end of the cleaning.

 

[Hocka Louis]

Novocaine DEFINITELY prohibits you from CCW.

"Thtop, or I'll thoot" can't be considered a reasonable warning to theath and dethitht hothtlilithtieth.

 

[84B20]

Novocaine DEFINITELY prohibits you from CCW.

"Thtop, or I'll thoot" can't be considered a reasonable warning to theath and dethitht hothtlilithtieth.

All kidding aside, have you not read my post above? They don't use Novacaine anymore.

 

[danez71]

They don't use Novacaine anymore.

Therein lies the confusion.
Lidocaine is neither an alkaloid nor an ester. It is a new type of pain relief which is hypoallergenic and used topically has no side effect and no actions beyond the area of application.

My dentist said something similar but there is something really wrong with that 2nd quote.

The word "topically" is an issue. If Lidocaine is "topical" then what the heck are they doing INJECTING it into me?

I think there is confusion with the topical stuff they put on your gums before they give you the shot of whatever 'caine' they're using these days (lidocaine).


Back to the original question.
Pain killers, muscle relaxers come with a warning not to operate machinery where-as IF novacaine/lidocaine etc did... the dentist would have to pass the warning along to you.

 

[84B20]

My dentist said something similar but there is something really wrong with that 2nd quote.

The word "topically" is an issue. If Lidocaine is "topical" then what the heck are they doing INJECTING it into me?

I think there is confusion with the topical stuff they put on your gums before they give you the shot of whatever 'caine' they're using these days (lidocaine).

I thought the same thing but it was too late to call my dentist. I was going to do that in the morning but felt I needed to at least post what I found then clarify it in the morning.

 

[chihuahuatn]

NO, its he is only giving local anesthesia to numb the gingival tissues and in your case to provide pulpal anesthesia to the tooth that needs to be restored. (no CNS-intoxication)

Because most people hate injections, a topical anesthetic such as benzocaine is applied to the tissues (in horrible flavors) to lessen the pinch of the needle.

1) Its not urban myth I had a Kel-Tec fall out of the pocket while reclining a patient back a few months ago.
2) I've been threaten twice by patients: "I will use my gun in my purse if you hurt me" my response "Mrs Jones you know you can't hit anything with that gun anyway." (she laughed)
The second time I was threatened, I had hospital security remove him . He returned two days later and had to be admitted and taken to the OR to have a tooth removed (expensive bill to the tax payer).

Its odd how guns and the dentist do come up.