The DOD Surplus Brass Controversy - Fact v. Rumor

[Jeff White]

Indeed. But even worse was the Moderator's attempt, once the reality of the problem had become the 600 pound gorilla in the bedroom, to mitigate his bad call by calling it "a supply chain problem."

This was exactly that, a supply chain problem. You people can be all sanctimonious and pat yourselves on the back all day long. But you had no, none, nada, zero effect on the outcome.

A congressional inquiry was filed last Thursday by Georgia Arms. DOD responded in four working days. If you believe that all the wasted bandwidth on the internet had anything at all to do with this, you haven't got a clue about how the system works.

You might note that no mainstream RKBA organization picked up on this. Why do you think that was? It was because no one knew what really happened. As of this writing no one has been able to produce a written memorandum or message of any type requiring the change and the change back. Doesn't anyone think that is rather odd? Things like changes to Demil codes aren't done verbally.

Everyone with sense, the NRA, GOA, CCRKBA all waited to find out what really happened before they jumped in. Why because they didn't want to look like fools and expend political capitol over what was most likely a bureaucratic foul up.

All of your calls and emails and whining, wailing and gnashing of teeth on the internet accomplished nothing more then Georgia Arms first inquiry would have. By the time everyone got going, the issue was well on it's way to being resolved.

It's now 5 days since the original issue surfaced. Most of the inquiries you all demanded from your representatives are just now making their way into legislative liaison offices at DOD. If you think that your representative picks up the phone and calls some general at the Pentagon and chews butt, you're wrong. A nice letter is composed by a staffer, it's approved by the representative, then it's mailed to the appropriate legislative liaison office, where it goes through channels to the agency that can answer the congressional inquiry. Then the agency looks into it, figures out what happened and either acts to correct the problem, so it can tell the representative what happened and that it's been corrected, or draft a reply explaining what was done and why they will continue to do it that way.

It's always real smart to jump to conclusions and raise all kinds of hell before you even know what is really happening.....

It's always the best policy to find out what really happened before you jump in with both feet and make a fool of yourself. I guess that's a minority view around here.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

Jeff, I would respectfully but completely disagree with everything you said. I think you have been wrong about most of what you have said in this thread.

I see no reason why you would disrespect those who have written their representatives and Senators regarding this mess. That is exactly what citizens are supposed to do. I think the government got the message loud and clear that they are being watched carefully for bureaucratic "accidents" that affect the RKBA. Perhaps as a result they will be more careful next time.

It's always real smart to jump to conclusions and raise all kinds of hell before you even know what is really happening

Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black on this one? Weren't you incorrect about what was happening?

I am not trying to disrespect you in anyway, but I don't understand the motives for your attitude on this one.

 

[JWF III]

It seems to me that some people still have a lot of faith that our new gov't wouldn't do anything to harm us.

I for one believe differently. I saw the hatred in his eyes during his acceptance speech.

Expect more of these "miscommunications" to come.

No I don't wear tinfoil hats, I just see the facts as they are.

Wyman

 

[Jeremy2171]

This is good news but there are quite a few 20mm vulcan shooters out there that are going to be in trouble in a few years when their supply of brass runs out.....

there is no reason why "all" casing couldn't be released "as-is".

 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

This was exactly that, a supply chain problem. You people can be all sanctimonious and pat yourselves on the back all day long. But you had no, none, nada, zero effect on the outcome.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. And, as you stated previously in reference to "having the facts", what facts do you have that we had no, none, nada, zero effect on the outcome? It works both ways, Jeff.

Now I'll go out on a limb myself and posit that phone calls were made and "discussions" were held that resulted in this nearly disastrous change-in-policy's reversal. I'll speculate that some time in the not-to-distant future we'll know who the bottom dwellers of this are/were.

Don't for one second believe that things happen in this government of the Union don't happen by fiat. Hell, most in that government can't or won't abide the Constitution. What makes you think they'll write letters and put in writing for all to discover what they truly are up to? Nothing gets put on paper until it's all been "decided" and ready for a "vote" or dictated as an EO.

We no longer live in a constitutional democratic republic. We live in a dictatorial oligarchy.

Woody

Be careful who you choose to stand behind and support. If you are unwilling to take care of yourself, you must take whatever care that comes along. I've yet to see a flock of sheep, no matter how well cared for and tended, that doesn't get fleeced from time to time and eventually end up on the dinner table. Not many sheep die a natural death. B.E. Wood

 

[noskilz]

The Mod doth protest too much, methinks.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I for one dont see our Current Administration as one that will swear to uphold, defend and protect the Consitution. It's just another sound byte to them.

So we are here on the net watching for signs of trouble with gun related issues. I was about to place a order from Georgia Arms for 45 ammo out of desperation that no one else will have the stuff.

And to learn that Geo. Arms buckled under the Government Brass problem was just not acceptable to me. Our Southern Neighbors are doing thier best to keep things going and that is Ammuntion.

Thought about it, then got angry when it became apparent that the Brass might be sold to China, someone who will most certainly stamp ammo out of it for HER Military in a heartbeat.

WHen I get mad, I dont sit home doing nothing, I start digging. If it is all a big nothing, everyone laughs me out of the saloon and well deserved. But when other badgers start digging and we collectively talk using this here internet thing to get to the bottom of things....

Things happen for a reason. Bad things happen to slothful people who fold hands to sleep a little because these government issues are way above thier humble abode.

No sir. The Government is hired by the US People and we are the Boss. No matter which pretty-boy might be sitting in the seats of power. The Masses still call the shots.

If Ammo brass did go away, I would have thought about getting into the foundry business to start gathering Zinc, copper and Bronze plus whatever else it takes to make good brass alloys to sell to ammuntion makers.

Would have been good too. One can dream.

The Mods may be a little worn out and tired. As far as Im concerned they did a decent job keeping the stampeding herd as we are known rolling more or less in one direction.

Thanks, it was appreciated. And we learn a thing or two along the way.

 

[Art Eatman]

The latest word I've heard is that the brass need not be mutilated. That ends it for now.