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heck yeah. i find pistol skills deteriorate rapidly. that's not bad at all for a long break (assuming theywere good hits)
 
Just something I noticed; take it for what it's worth.

When turning, pivot of the heel of your foot, as you lead with your head, rather than the toe. It is smoother and requires fewer movements
 
Thanks! I'll give that a shot, I hadn't given much thought to the turn except to turn toward the strong side. I'll be back out there Wednesday. There's a match coming and I gotta clear the cobwebs.
 
While shooting accurately is always the most important and speed comes from seeing the sights on target faster and shortening the lag between seeing and pressing the trigger, there are huge gains to be made in the non-shooting parts of the drill

The big ones are the turn and the draw, followed by the transition between targets and the mag changes. You mag change looked very smooth, nice and high. It was hard to tell if you were tracking your sights between targets or leading with your eyes.

I think you'll pick up some speed in the draw by not leaving the left hand just dangling out in space, but moving it up to your chest to meet the gun higher...moving both hands at the same time, speeds both hands up
 
It was hard to tell if you were tracking your sights between targets or leading with your eyes.
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Geez. It sounds like it would be hard to track the sights all the way to the next target, slow too...?
 
I must lead with my eyes, because the first thing I see after transitioning is my next target. As soon as my sights flash across, I take the shots. I'll try tracking the sights.

I think I'm going to break this drill down into it's individual elements and work from that angle, and then try to put all the pieces together.
 
As soon as my sights flash across, I take the shots. I'll try tracking the sights.
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Please don't...you misunderstood.

Tracking is slower as the tendency is to overswing or swing too slow so as not to overswing. When you see the sights lift after your last shot on a target, shift you eyes to the next target and then drive the gun to where your eyes are looking
 
9mmepiphany said:
Please don't...you misunderstood.

Tracking is slower as the tendency is to overswing or swing too slow so as not to overswing. When you see the sights lift after your last shot on a target, shift you eyes to the next target and then drive the gun to where your eyes are looking
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Oh ok. I thought you meant tracking the sights over in the transition. I can see where that might lead to swinging past.
 
El Prez is one of my favorite.

Are the targets supposed to be 6' on center? I think we always set them 3' edge to edge.
I'm still striving for that very elusive 4 second el prez someday, maybe lol.

I think i'm transitioning with my eyes first but I would have to try it again and see how I do it. It's good to get pointers.

One of my more recent attempts, the cameraman was a little slow on the draw and didn't get all of the turn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VgtW8xklGY&feature=share&list=UUBK7LEa6jcmFKuDfeMlEgOA
 
The Classic space between targets was 1 metre from edge to edge...Americans usually set them at 1 yard...and only runs with all shots in the A Zone (USPSA) or - 0 (IDPA) count

Just a few things I noticed which might improve your speed some:
1. Try moving both hands when drawing, leaving the support hand dangling/floating slows down the strong hand
2. Try keeping the gun higher during the mag change...you should be able to see inside the magwell as the mag lips make contact
3. You timing seems a bit off during transitions...it sounds wrong; the shot splits should be more even. There is plenty of time, while the action cycles, to transition to the next target.
4. Coupled with what I could see of your hits, you might be jerking the trigger
 
Bovice said:
Thanks! I'll give that a shot, I hadn't given much thought to the turn except to turn toward the strong side. I'll be back out there Wednesday. There's a match coming and I gotta clear the cobwebs.
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Matches are a great way to help you keep sharp. Also, the add a bit of stress which is good as it helps you get used to shooting in stressful situations. I've also fount using timers is a way to help add a bit of stress in your practice. That way you may be less stressed when you are defending yourself.
 
Try moving both hands when drawing, leaving the support hand dangling/floating slows down the strong hand
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Move the support hand where? Just make sure it moves at the same time as the strong?
 
Move the support hand where? Just make sure it moves at the same time as the strong?
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A draw can be summarized in 4 steps:

Step 1: Firing hand obtains solid grip on (still holstered) gun, weak hand is brought to the upper sternum, between the pectoral muscles.

Step 2: Gun is drawn, and as soon as muzzle clears the leather (or kydex) it is rocked forward so that it is oriented towards your target. *This step is also the position that you use when training for firing from retention

Step 3: Bring the gun to meet your weak hand in the center of your chest, do not move your hands out and meet as you are extending, they meet exactly where your weak hand has been waiting.

Step 4: Push the gun out directly toward your target while tracking the front sight with your eyes. Take up the slack in the trigger and make a good press as soon as you are fully extended (if you are needing to fire).


*Potatohead, I bolded the answer to your question.
 
The original El Prez by Jeff Cooper had the targets spaced 3 meters apart, edge to edge.

This really brought the target acquisition into the equation.

He wanted a drill that encompassed all the basic elements of pistol shooting in relatively few shots. This tests the turn, draw, rapid fire/recoil management, target acquisition, reloading and accuracy. All in 12 shots.
 
I replayed the video several times and the "cadence" sounds good to me. The splits and transitions sound like they are the same speed as in 1,2,3,4,5,6. What was your time and just how bad are your hits? Your vision needs to dictate your shooting. Are you are calling your shots and accepting less in terms of visual inputs and/or patience?
 
David E said:
The original El Prez by Jeff Cooper had the targets spaced 3 meters apart, edge to edge.
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Thank you...I'm not losing my mind with age.

3 metres was what I remembered too, but I thought I'd check before posting and the first thing that came up was Todd Green's Pistol-training site. Under drills he has the space between targets as 1 yard. It sounded short, but hey, I'm getting old
 
The targets were moved closer together quite some time ago. I don't know by who or when, but its been the "new" standard since at least the 80's
 
The USPSA version has them 1 yard apart, and the IDPA version has them 2 yards apart... it definitely makes a difference in the transitions.
 
allaroundhunter said:
a draw can be summarized in 4 steps:

Step 1: Firing hand obtains solid grip on (still holstered) gun, weak hand is brought to the upper sternum, between the pectoral muscles.

Step 2: Gun is drawn, and as soon as muzzle clears the leather (or kydex) it is rocked forward so that it is oriented towards your target. *this step is also the position that you use when training for firing from retention

step 3: Bring the gun to meet your weak hand in the center of your chest, do not move your hands out and meet as you are extending, they meet exactly where your weak hand has been waiting.

Step 4: Push the gun out directly toward your target while tracking the front sight with your eyes. Take up the slack in the trigger and make a good press as soon as you are fully extended (if you are needing to fire).


*potatohead, i bolded the answer to your question.
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thanks dude!
 
That's way too high to bring your support hand, but it's in vogue right now.
 
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