I'm familiar with most of their line up because i know a few people with rifles from an axis to a stealth and Ashbury i honestly never heard of a savage lever gun.
The fate of Savage arms!
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NIGHTLORD40K
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Forgot about the BLR, didn't know about the Henry till you mentioned it- neato!
NIGHTLORD40K
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It was actually Aurther Savage's very first rifle. It took me awhile to get used to its looks, but once I flipped the lever, I was hooked- try one if you get the chance.
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I picked up a Henry in .243 last year. Great shooter out to 200 yrds, haven't gotten a chance to go further yet. Plan to get a BLR soon if only because of the greater caliber selection.
I have 2 Savage bolts and both are very accurate with the right ammo.
I do like their 'Accu-trigger' as it's extremely easy-inexpensive to fiddle with.
Was actually on their rifle webpage last night 'browsing',,,
Yep, Money is what it's all about. Seems to be headed even more in that direction as the rich get richer.
Attitudes change as well. Does everyone here have the exact same thoughts / beliefs / 'desires moving forwards' as their Grandfather? I would find that very hard to believe as the world today is not the same as it was then.
Change happens,,,, Can't stop it, and new generations will do as they wish, the same as older generations did before throughout time. Certainly no reason to get bent out of shape about it.
Short story,,, Off the main subject, but 'could' be relative to some other posts here,,,
As a child, working in the fields with my Dad, I distinctly remember Grandpa driving out to meet us and Dad grumbling about 'what the H does he want now!!??!!" Inevitably, after the 'main reason' Grandpa came out, there were many times when Grandpa apparently had nothing else to do and would digress into politics,,, "Dayum Government!! The whole worlds going to Hell!" etc etc. Dad just typically kept on with his work and didn't seem to 'share that same passion', shall we say...
Fast forward 40 yrs,,, Now Dad's 'in his golden years', and he carries the "Dayum Government!! The whole worlds going to Hell!" torch,,, I don't share his 'passion' either,,, Promised myself as a child back in the fields that I didn't want to end up old and miserable, fretting about stuff I couldn't change.
I hope I can live up to that promise.
I do like their 'Accu-trigger' as it's extremely easy-inexpensive to fiddle with.
Was actually on their rifle webpage last night 'browsing',,,
Yep, Money is what it's all about. Seems to be headed even more in that direction as the rich get richer.
Attitudes change as well. Does everyone here have the exact same thoughts / beliefs / 'desires moving forwards' as their Grandfather? I would find that very hard to believe as the world today is not the same as it was then.
Change happens,,,, Can't stop it, and new generations will do as they wish, the same as older generations did before throughout time. Certainly no reason to get bent out of shape about it.
Short story,,, Off the main subject, but 'could' be relative to some other posts here,,,
As a child, working in the fields with my Dad, I distinctly remember Grandpa driving out to meet us and Dad grumbling about 'what the H does he want now!!??!!" Inevitably, after the 'main reason' Grandpa came out, there were many times when Grandpa apparently had nothing else to do and would digress into politics,,, "Dayum Government!! The whole worlds going to Hell!" etc etc. Dad just typically kept on with his work and didn't seem to 'share that same passion', shall we say...
Fast forward 40 yrs,,, Now Dad's 'in his golden years', and he carries the "Dayum Government!! The whole worlds going to Hell!" torch,,, I don't share his 'passion' either,,, Promised myself as a child back in the fields that I didn't want to end up old and miserable, fretting about stuff I couldn't change.
I hope I can live up to that promise.
I guess I could see a tarp if the roof was leaking but I have no idea what you’re talking about.Tarp for firearm industry?
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Nature Boy
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I agree.
Companies are bought and sold every day of the week. No need to panic over it.
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It'll be interesting to see who the buyer is, but for now, I'm not that worried.
Savage doesn't make a lot of different guns, but they make some very good guns. If I wanted a tack-driver bench rifle for under $500, the first gun I'd look at is a Savage 110. Or maybe one of those Savage 12Vs from Cabela's, I've seen groups from those that made my eyes pop.
Also, I just read in the article that Smith and Wesson had a dropoff in profits of 90% last year. You've got to wonder if they are the next to be bought out or sold.
Savage doesn't make a lot of different guns, but they make some very good guns. If I wanted a tack-driver bench rifle for under $500, the first gun I'd look at is a Savage 110. Or maybe one of those Savage 12Vs from Cabela's, I've seen groups from those that made my eyes pop.
Also, I just read in the article that Smith and Wesson had a dropoff in profits of 90% last year. You've got to wonder if they are the next to be bought out or sold.
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Over the last ten years there was an artificially high demand for guns driven by fear and politics. People that never had any prior interest were buying guns.
Manufacturers increased production to meet the demand. Now it's back to reality and a saturated market.
Many brands also put out products to meet certain price points, quick profit but a mistake in the long term IMO.
My bet is Savage will survive and may be better off in the long run.
Manufacturers increased production to meet the demand. Now it's back to reality and a saturated market.
Many brands also put out products to meet certain price points, quick profit but a mistake in the long term IMO.
My bet is Savage will survive and may be better off in the long run.
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Part of the problem for gun manufacturers is to stay profitable in a nation where there are already 300+ million guns in private ownership.
Guns aren't like cars or other products, where you replace them every few years. Well maintained guns last for decades
A lot of people fell for the whole "They're comin' for yer guns" rhetoric over the last decade or so and stocked up on everything from .22's to ARs to Glocks to you name it. Non-Enthusiasts with multiple guns are often 'spent' out and less inclined to buy anything new.
I've been an avid shooter for decades now, but I have bought less than five rifles in the last 20 years as I still own and use the ones I bought over ten years before that. My kids will likely never buy more than one or two guns in their entire lives, as they use and 'inherit' mine.
What I do buy, though, is ammunition and occasional accessories. Companies that make good quality ammo can stay much more profitable as millions of people like me make ammo purchases monthly, whereas I don't think Savage has made any money from me since 2009. (No, nothing against Savage, the gun works so well, I have no need for another of that type)
Guns aren't like cars or other products, where you replace them every few years. Well maintained guns last for decades
A lot of people fell for the whole "They're comin' for yer guns" rhetoric over the last decade or so and stocked up on everything from .22's to ARs to Glocks to you name it. Non-Enthusiasts with multiple guns are often 'spent' out and less inclined to buy anything new.
I've been an avid shooter for decades now, but I have bought less than five rifles in the last 20 years as I still own and use the ones I bought over ten years before that. My kids will likely never buy more than one or two guns in their entire lives, as they use and 'inherit' mine.
What I do buy, though, is ammunition and occasional accessories. Companies that make good quality ammo can stay much more profitable as millions of people like me make ammo purchases monthly, whereas I don't think Savage has made any money from me since 2009. (No, nothing against Savage, the gun works so well, I have no need for another of that type)
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Nature Boy
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That's exactly right. There's been a boom in the gun industry. Right now there's too many manufacturers and too much inventory. The natural order of things may require a retraction and honestly their needs to be. The companies making quality products with good margin will survive. The ones that aren't likely won't.
Speedo66
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Probably the same previous gun owners, rather than many new first time buyers. I think stats will show you most guns are in the hands of relatively few owners.
300 million guns does not mean 300 million owners.
someguy2800
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I don’t care. There is no shortage of gun makers or gun buyers. If the new owners take it in a direction I don’t like I’ll buy something else. Actually the model 12 target rifles and mk2 22’s are the only thing savage makes I like anyway.
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Sorry but I don't buy into all the pessimistic, cynical nonsense. Yesterday, as I scoured the shelves of my least favorite retailer for a can of Vick's Vaporub for my wife, I had to listen to two old biddies drone on and on about how bad things were in the world and how the Lord was coming. I thought to myself, they're talking about crap that has little to no effect on their lives. I've been to five funerals in the last six months. Watched two close family members die, one of whom younger than myself. We just paid a lot more in income taxes than I had planned for. I know more people with cancer than at any other time in my life. Yet, as I walk outside with Vick's and 3000rds of .22LR ammo, the sun is shining, it's 70° with a slight breeze and everything is turning green. It's a beautiful day to be alive and I have more blessings than I can count. Yeah, there's always bad stuff going on, it's the story of human history. If you're focused on the bad stuff and looking for the end of the world, it's all you'll ever see.
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I don't think so in this case. The gun manufacturing business is a tough way to make a buck. My guess is they are doing what every other successful company does now and then by realigning the business to fit their long term goals.
They might also be looking at capital needs for this part of the business the next decade or so and deciding they have better uses for that money.
Hopefully someone will buy it that has some business sense. I could see SW adding to their stable of brands.
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Not so sure about the snowflakes comment. A lot of kids these days may not be into hunting or shooting sports, but its been a veritable boon of other outdoor activities like hiking, kayaking, camping, climbing in their age group. Different mind set for sure though.
The dwindling brick and mortar is all about big box and online sales. Pretty sure that aint gonna change.
Economics - eh, the old folks always have the dough. They've been working and paying off their junk. Kids are always broke as a fact of life.
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As for Savage, consolidation and mergers have been the name of the game for a long time now. I don't see the budget bolt gun market as financial home run. Sales volume and margins just aren't there. Hopefully a decent parent company will acquire the name and facilities while keeping quality going.
If a business isn't making a profit it isn't a business anymore -- or at least soon won't be. So yes, businesses care about making money.
It costs money to be a business. There are employees who want their paychecks. Suppliers of materials like to get paid as well, as do landlords. Somehow even the paperclips need to be paid for.
Thank you I didn't realize it goes back to that. Interesting read.
I get that. It just frustrating that all these great companies like Remington, Marlin, Slick trick broad heads, etc. get purchased by places such as Vista who put their hand in 30 different cookie jars and when one of those cookie jars starts becoming empty and nothing but crumbs left they move onto the next jar and eat all those cookies and so forth. Doing this leaves those employees wondering where their next cookie is going to come from or worse letting them all go like freedom did with Marlin and move shop somewhere else to cut cost.
I've seen so many companies around me that were once very good places to work purchased by larger corporations that had their hand in everything only to milk the once booming company dry and when there's no more milk they move onto the next cash cow and leave families wondering where their next jar of cookies is going to come from.
Man i want some Oreos and Milk now!!
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If the other folks didn’t calm your nerves - @ohihunter2014 - then I’ll pile on... Savage isn’t going anywhere. They’ve had more heads over the last century than almost anyone else in our business...
Recall - Savage has already changed hands TWICE in the last decade, and those shifts went largely unnoticed by the average customer.
What I think is more frustrating is the continued waffling by the Vista group about their public image - their announcement to sell Savage because they produce “assault weapons,” yet retain the ammunition, optics, and shooting accessories businesses might be considered a move of weak spined pandering, waivering in support of the 2nd Amendment. At the operational level, many of these companies are very great for the consumer, but their ownership are weak-willed money-men, they made their money on assault rifles while it wasn’t so unpopular to do so, but then look for a means to distance themselves any time something hits the national news.
So I might complain about the product brands still held by Vista, and about Vista as a whole, but I have absolutely no concern of any quality or service reduction by an ownership change at Savage Arms.
Recall - Savage has already changed hands TWICE in the last decade, and those shifts went largely unnoticed by the average customer.
What I think is more frustrating is the continued waffling by the Vista group about their public image - their announcement to sell Savage because they produce “assault weapons,” yet retain the ammunition, optics, and shooting accessories businesses might be considered a move of weak spined pandering, waivering in support of the 2nd Amendment. At the operational level, many of these companies are very great for the consumer, but their ownership are weak-willed money-men, they made their money on assault rifles while it wasn’t so unpopular to do so, but then look for a means to distance themselves any time something hits the national news.
So I might complain about the product brands still held by Vista, and about Vista as a whole, but I have absolutely no concern of any quality or service reduction by an ownership change at Savage Arms.
illinoisburt
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It certainly happens that someone decides to cash out, but sadly a lot of these companies which may seem to be doing well and providing good jobs for their communities are sold because they in reality aren't doing that great and cannot secure financing to keep afloat. So the owners sell to salvage what equity they can from the company rather than folding. Most of the Freedom Group firearm companies are case in point. The "money men" who buy them are exactly that, people in it for the money. If not profitable or a potential risk to their bottom line then the company is on the block.
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