The future of guns

[armedpolak]

And let me just say this...
...living in NYC is scary, I'm surrounded by 8 million people, I know 15 of them, and I can't even have a hand gun at home, in case one of the remaining 7,999,eeeeeee 8 million, decides to one day break in and harm me or my GF. Fortunatelly her and me decided, that once the lease runs out, we're moving to florida, away from this socialist experiment called the greatest city, libs please!

Anyways, with so many restrictions in some places in the US, I'm affraid that my grand kids, in 50 years , will not be able to enjoy the same freedoms. I'm from Poland where I never had those freedoms to begin with. I see them here, and I also see them slowly but surely being taken away through state laws and court rulings. Where is it all going? At what point will the citizens (like myself and others) stand up and say enough! No more gun bans, restrictions on clip sizes, etc! I just don't see the end to it, and I realize it my be because the dark side (the smelly hippies and commies in NYC) are clouding my abbility to forsee the future. But still. I know in most states you just need a state ID to buy a gun, right? But I also see commies constantly fighting that freedom.

What is the future of gun control?

 

[Sheldon J]

Option A: get Politically active and get rid of the anti gun bozo’s in that whole state. Hint start at the local level first.

Option B: Move away from there to a more gun friendly area

Option C: There are no rules against these yet.. high power hand lasers

 

[Bobo]

Yes, in some ways our rights are eroding - and in some ways they are expanding.

Check this out for a positive note:
http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

You can help a lot by joining gun rights groups, being vocal, voting for the right people, and spending your money where it is deserved.

If moving to a more self-protection friendly state is an option you may want to seriously consider that also. Work and spend your money where it's appreciated!

 

[mountainclmbr]

I have to disagree. I have seen gun rights increasing in the last 10-20 years. The number of states having Shall-Issue concealed carry laws has been increasing every year. The situation with CCW reciprocity between states has also been increasing rapidly. Some things have not gone in favor of individual liberty, but all in all, it must have been a terrible time to be a gun ban advocate! Moving from NYC to FL is a very good move! Vote with your feet!

 

[Baba Louie]

What is the future of gun control?

Depends on what side you choose to take. I think all here agree, that gun ownership is something worth fighting for, maybe even worth dying for (while fighting the good fight protecting ALL of your/our individual rights). We know that the Police agencies have no legal req't to protect the individual, indeed, they really can't be there to stop crime, only to record the incident after-the-fact. Nor would most here want to depend on another for self protection. Nor will most criminals buy their guns legally, or give them up willingly, so just how effective are 99% of gun-control laws in stopping crime? (we all know the answer)

Gun Control Laws are really, "People" control laws, and as such, there will always be those in power who fear the little people who are armed but will pass laws saying things like "Safety, For the Children, Common Sense", etc. when really they fear for themselves and wish to preserve the power they (think they) have.

The only way to change laws is to play their game and that takes money, time and effort. If you have all three work to change the laws.
If not, find another place in the US where like minded people dwell and are in office. (as you stated you probably will) Also, teach your children honest history and responsible behavior, love of liberty and intelligent thought process.

And by the way mvorbrodt, welcome to THR and this nation. We don't call them commies here much anymore (tho' they may in fact be...based on their actions and publically stated desires), as the term leftist extremist (some use the word liberal, which I personally deplore) or statist is preferred. I just call them politicians.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I have to disagree. I have seen gun rights increasing in the last 10-20 years. The number of states having Shall-Issue concealed carry laws has been increasing every year. The situation with CCW reciprocity between states has also been increasing rapidly. Some things have not gone in favor of individual liberty, but all in all, it must have been a terrible time to be a gun ban advocate!

Amazingly, there are gun owners who argue against Shall Issue -- on the grounds that it doesn't give them everything they want.

But Shall Issue has swept the nation -- 39 states and Wisconscin will be next. And as it goes forward, more and more people see the benefits and notice that all the Chicken Little predictions of the antis didn't come to pass. That makes more steps toward full civil rights possible.

 

[armedpolak]

what is Shall Issue

What is "Shall Issue" ?
So does anyone know what it takes to get a hand gun in florida? How about carry permit? Concealed permit?

 

[mnrivrat]

A constent and continuing battle not only to maintain our rights regarding firearms, but for other rights as well. Staying aware and doing whatever a person can to combat this slide into European style government ,where all rights are given to you by the state ,will continue to be a challenge.

Potentialy a loosing battle as the new generations become more and more used to being sheep who believe that whatever rights they do have come from the government.

I have to disagree. I have seen gun rights increasing in the last 10-20 years.

I have to respectfully disagree with that assesment - although the number of states that have passed shall issue legislation has increased, and that is a positive , if you look at the overall picture we have still lost ground.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

What is "Shall Issue" ?
So does anyone know what it takes to get a hand gun in florida? How about carry permit? Concealed permit?

"Shall Issue" is the name given to a law that is sweeping the country, from state to state.

In years past, in many states (Arkansas included) illegal to carry a gun. To get a permit (in states that had permit laws) you had to explain why you needed a permit -- and the authorities could turn you down at their descretion.

Now, in 37 states, the law says you take and pass a short instruction course, pass a criminal background check and the authorities "shall issue" you the permit. You don't have to give any reason, and they can't turn you down.

I don't know if there are any state requirements you have to meet to buy a handgun in Florida, but Florida is a "Shall Issue" state.

 

[trickyasafox]

i firmly believe the first amendment stands only because it rests on the shoulders of the second. if you want to protect one right, you have to want all of them i feel if we could get anti's to see this, then it would be impossible for an anti to exist

 

[Vern Humphrey]

I firmly believe the first amendment stands only because it rests on the shoulders of the second. if you want to protect one right, you have to want all of them i feel if we could get anti's to see this, then it would be impossible for an anti to exist

Only a fool or a charlatan would disagree with you (unfortunately, we have a lot of those in this country.)

The sophistry, lies and chicanery used to undermine the 2nd Amendment can be (and is) used to attack all other articles of the Bill of Rights. Those who subscribe to the theory that "The Constitution is a Living Document" (meaning, "the Constitution means whatever those in power want it to mean") are driving nails into their own coffins.

 

[Ala Dan]

Just recently, my state (Alabama) signed on too the "Castle Doctrine Act".
Now, residents of this state [and many other states] don't have to retreat
after becoming threatened. Just blow the perp away without fear of any
type of criminal prosecution, or civil law suits.

 

[armedpolak]

Shall Issue

Is NY state a "Shall Issue" state?
I have a familly property upstate. If i move there (as in change my permanent address to that location), I can get a permit from the local sherif. Then with that permit, I could try to get a carry permit?

 

[mountainclmbr]

It has been about 8 years since I lived in FL so this is from memory and things could have changed slightly.

To buy a handgun in FL: Resident of state, over 21 years old, pass background check (no felony convictions, no domestic abuse convictions or restraining orders), pay money. You can rent and try different models at many gun ranges which is a great way to figure out what you like.

To get a concealed weapon permit: Submit proof of completion of approved handgun safety course (NRA, local police department, sherrifs dept.), submit fingerprint card from police dept or sherrifs dept., submit notarized application. Gun shows are often a good place to take the safety course and have knowledgable people help you get everything done right.

Good Luck!

 

[phydaux]

Here is a link that can answer most of your questions.................................http://www.packing.org/state/

 

[Cosmoline]

It's an interesting question. The doom and gloomers can't deny that the CCW revolution and at least some developments at the federal level have been great victories. Esp. when you consider the CCW revolution overturned anti-concealed carry laws that had been entrenched for over a century and challenged the most basic assumptions about who can carry a firearm.

But there's also no denying that a large number of states remain on the fence or on the other side. For every Alaska you have a Hawaii, for every Vermont a Mass. And these trends are getting more extreme as people self-segregate. Antis move out of pro-gun states and gun owners get fed up and leave California and New Jersey. We can expect the hard core of anti-gun states to get WORSE and there's probably nothing that can be done about it unless by some miracle the SCT actually quashes a state law as violating the Second. By the same token the pro-gun states will get better, and at least a few more will probably follow AK's example and adopt Vermont carry (Montana, Wyoming, and maybe one or two others are potentials).

 

[bowfin]

/*living in NYC is scary*/

Vote with your feet. Life is too short to live it scared.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

But there's also no denying that a large number of states remain on the fence or on the other side. For every Alaska you have a Hawaii, for every Vermont a Mass.

Well, yes.

But (once Wisconsin gets its act together) we can also say that for every non-issue or descretionary issue state, we have five Shall-Issue or Vermont Carry states.

Now as for the country being polarized, that's unfortunate. But if all the anti-gunners move to the ten states that don't have Shall Issue, and the pro-civil rights people move to the others, then we'll have 80 Senators to their 20.

 

[mnrivrat]

I don't see the "shall issue" CCW as being the gold standard as to how our gun rights are doing overall.

It is a good step , but only one of many issues related to our overall rights under nature or law.

In the last few decades we have had to fight the AWB , the birth and influence of the Brady camplain to strip our gun rights, outright bans on handguns in some cities, the ever increasing anti-gun propaganda of the media in all forms, the demonization of the NRA by media, and I'm sure many of you can add to this list. Have we won a battle or two ? Of course . Are we winning the war ? I think at best we are holding our own , and at worst maybe still loosing a bite at a time.

If that makes me pesimistic than I am guilty - I would rather stay in the fight with that in mind .

 

[Cosmoline]

I think you underestimate the significance of the shall issue revolution and what a monumental change in attitude it represents. But I agree it's only a step. And I'd say that while we're ahead in most state legislatures and while we've blocked their federal efforts, the antis have completely beaten us in one critical area, perhaps the most critical of all:

THE SCHOOLS

They've managed to get both public and private schools to institute a systematic program of brainwashing and propaganda to teach the young to be terrified of firearms. Even more disturbing, the schools will punish those who even THINK about firearms and for example draw a picture of one. Coupled with the presence of armed guards and intensive security, along with a total disregard for any privacy rights, these steps are clearly aimed at making the next generation much more meek and compliant than the current. They will go into adulthood expecting to be searched routinely, spied upon and kept disarmed.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Now as for the country being polarized, that's unfortunate. But if all the anti-gunners move to the ten states that don't have Shall Issue, and the pro-civil rights people move to the others, then we'll have 80 Senators to their 20.

We'd have to clear out the many RINOs also.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

We'd have to clear out the many RINOs also.

I don't know who you mean by RINO, but the SOB I have in mind comes from a gun-friendly state and is perfectly willing to ally with the most radical leftists to suppress freedom of speech, the right to bear arms and anything else you can think of.

And a lot of people think he will be the next Republican candidate for President.

 

[TCB in TN]

RINO means Republican In Name Only, and I agree that for to long the education system has been controlled by the left. That is another reason I chose to go back and get my teaching degree. Even though I am 36, and most of the other people in my classes are in my early 20's, I have found that a lot more of the young people in my classes are at least as Conservative as I am, including the RKBA. Also, at least in the south, shooting sports teams started by the school system are gaining popularity and becoming pretty widespread. These type of programs will in the long run help our cause greatly.

 

[akodo]

I think you are looking at this backwards.

You know 15 people in NYcity, which is 15 more than me. However, I don't worry about the 7.9999million others, I am perfectly secure in my believe that the 7.999millon others are decent, reasonable, law abiding people. It is the bottom 10,000 cretins I worry about.

And that's also why I sport the private gun ownership, and CCW, because I believe that the vast majority of my fellow citizens are decent honest folk who won't cause trouble, and theirfore have the right to arm themselves for the off chance they encounter one of the cretins.

 

[Limeyfellow]

Giuliani and Bloomberg have really screwed NYC over for shooters. I hope Giulani presidental bid fails or the whole nation would see their firearms registered or simply taken away. He is by far the worse of the local politicians since Reagon was governer of California.