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[4v50 Gary]

I hereby thub thee Santos Krinko, Patrone Santos della Pistola Discarda. You may use that on your calling cards St. Krinko.

 

[maint1517]

Now krinko, I can't stand the thoughts of those $100 ASM's not having a loving home. If any more of them knock on your door,just givem directions to South Carolina. We can start a second shelter here

 

[bannockburn]

krinko

Not sure but I think the double diamond logo was the manufacturing mark for MOFRA in Italy and imported by Replica Arms.

 

[AlexanderA]

Armi San Paolo attempt at an 1858 Remington---

This poor orphan suffers from an overly thick mainspring, clubbed hammer and a purple complexion, which is muted in the photo by the green background. There is something off with the grip as well. During firing, the Remington grip batters my second finger somewhat, even in the excellent Pietta I posted elsewhere; this one hurts when I am merely trying to hold it's nose up. What's a little pain, anyway?

I too have an Armi San Paolo (Euroarms) '58 Remington, and I rather like it. Mine does not have the purplish finish, but it did have the overly stiff mainspring. I replaced that with an Uberti mainspring, which required only minor fitting (the bottom part needed to be slightly narrowed). Much better. I would say that, overall, the ASP is as well made as the Uberti (which I also have). The ASP has a little more delicate build, compared to the Uberti, which is most noticeable in areas such as the slightly thinner top strap. The grip doesn't bother me since I have relatively small hands.

A Howell 5-shot .45 LC conversion cylinder, made for an Uberti, works fine in the ASP. Following Howell's instructions, I had to make a slight modification to the revolver's hand, which consisted of putting a 45 degree bevel on the inside edge of the very tip. Thus modified, the hand works equally well with the 6-shot percussion cylinder.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

Not sure but I think the double diamond logo was the manufacturing mark for MOFRA in Italy and imported by Replica Arms.

You are correct.

Here is the history as I got it from the Relics of the West French forum:

In the early 1970's Replica Arms of Marietta, Ohio imported Paterson replicas made by A. Mainardi under the MOFRA logo which stood for "de Mainardi Officina Fabrica Replica Armi" or by Mainardi Official Maker of Replica Arms.
A. Mainardi was soon joined by his brother and together started Euromanufacture (not Euroarms) which used the double diamond logo and is found by name on many of the brass bullet molds imported into the US.
In 1980, Euromanufacture was bought out by Palmetto.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

In a couple weeks I am going to try for a square backed Dragoon with "Address Sam Colt" marks on top of the barrel and Armi San Marco under it. If it's a mutt, I want it.

Let us know the specifics when you get it.
These are my favorite area of collection!!!

 

[krinko]

"Let us know the specifics when you get it."

It's a first model Dragoon---square back trigger guard and oval cylinder locking bolt. Across the barrel flat it reads "ADDRESS SAM_L COLT NEW YORK CITY" and on the bottom of the barrel it says "A.S.M. BLACK POWDER ONLY CAL 44 MADE IN ITALY".
The dapper gentleman who sold it to me said it was made in 1985, about when Colt was dropping BP revolvers and doing a massive sell-off. He speculates this one was never delivered to Colt and that this explains the ASM marking---and that sounds good to me.
No photos tonight and any tomorrow will be late, as I am chasing a purported .36 Remington.
This Dragoon is a freakin' 2H monster. Heavy and Huge, that is.
-----krinko

PS. The date code "AS" (1987) is lightly stamped on the frame by where the serial number is and going on the condition of this mark and the other Italian marks, they were added after the case hardening was done.

 

[entropy]

I have one that got off to a bad start- I think it's an ASM 1851 brass frame .36. I bought it from a former co-worker for 75 because he needed the $$$, pretty much sight unseen (from his trunk at night on break) and whenI shot it, I noticed something-it was spitting lead and leading up big time in one cylinder. i just loaded five for the rest of the day, and when I took it apart I found this:


You don't need a micrometer to notice the top chamber in the pic is way out of line! As you can see, I pulled the nipple, and it's a five shot now.



It's a nice looking 1851 otherwise:



I shoot it once a year when I check my .50 cals getting them ready for hunting.

 

[AlexanderA]

You don't need a micrometer to notice the top chamber in the pic is way out of line!

That cylinder should have been rejected as completely defective. Look at the bottom chamber in your picture and see how thin the chamber wall is, compared to the others. The chambers are not drilled concentric to the arbor! And the distances between chambers appear to be random.

I would suggest finding another cylinder, but considering that this is a brass-framed gun, the effort would not be worth it. Certainly with the cylinder in that condition, I would not continue to fire it.

 

[maint1517]

I would suggest finding another cylinder, but considering that this is a brass-framed gun, the effort would not be worth it. Certainly with the cylinder in that condition, I would not continue to fire it.

I agree with not continuing to fire it with this cylinder. But I would still recommend buying another cylinder for it, brass frame or not. It's a nice 1851.
Not sure if it is still posted, but I saw one on eBay not long ago.

 

[entropy]

That cylinder should have been rejected as completely defective. Look at the bottom chamber in your picture and see how thin the chamber wall is, compared to the others. The chambers are not drilled concentric to the arbor! And the distances between chambers appear to be random.

I would suggest finding another cylinder, but considering that this is a brass-framed gun, the effort would not be worth it. Certainly with the cylinder in that condition, I would not continue to fire it.

Yeah, they all spit a little lead, but the one was the worst. Like I said, I was only shooting it once a year anyway. Maybe I'll have to look for another cylinder.

 

[Michigan Mike]

Pietta brass frame stepped cylinder .44 with Dragoonish barrel---

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Is this a copy of some Confederate type?
The poor girl spent the last eleven years locked in a gun bag with a paper packet of activated charcoal powder. When finally removed from this environment, the victim was found to have powdered charcoal deposited everywhere on and in her person. Detailed cleaning revealed a slight genetic mutation which causes the hand to deflect off the cylinder axis on the way up, but this does not interfere with timing and lock up, so the Doctor is going to leave it alone.

Armi San Paolo attempt at an 1858 Remington---

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This poor orphan suffers from an overly thick mainspring, clubbed hammer and a purple complexion, which is muted in the photo by the green background. There is something off with the grip as well. During firing, the Remington grip batters my second finger somewhat, even in the excellent Pietta I posted elsewhere; this one hurts when I am merely trying to hold it's nose up. What's a little pain, anyway?
-----krinko

What is that purple finish?....I just got one like that.

 

[krinko]

OK, here's the Colt/ASM 1st Model Dragoon---





Top of the barrel---



Bottom of the barrel---



So it's a mutt. I love it.

The .36 turned out to be a 1977 version of the purple Armi San Paolo .44 Remington.




It's a shorter barrel and it's a .36, but I think the Uberti the Dapper Gentleman had was closer to a true .36 Remington.
Next time.
-----krinko

(I do not want that Walker, I do not want that Walker, I do not want that Walker, I do not want that Starr, I do not want that Starr, I do not want that Starr----)

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

OK, here's the Colt/ASM 1st Model Dragoon---

A rare and beautiful find!
Nice work.