The Iraqis want us out

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Iraqi Leaders Urge a Timetable for Eventual Troop Withdrawal

Iraqi leaders, meeting at a reconciliation conference in Cairo, urged an end to violence in the country and demanded a timetable for the withdrawal of coalition troops from Iraq.

In a final statement, read by Arab League chief Amre Moussa, host of the three-day summit, they called for "the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces." No date was specified.
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So the Iraqi leadership want us out.

The Iraqi people want us out
The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, shows that up to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support attacks and fewer than one per cent think Allied military involvement is helping to improve security in their country.
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A majority of the American people (54% to 45%) think the war was a mistake.

The Pentagon has even begun work on withdrawal plans.
 
Who cares what they want? They should shut up and let us finish our mission (?) there - if they won't shut up, they should leave.
 
Who cares what they want? They should shut up and let us finish our mission (?) there - if they won't shut up, they should leave.
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It took me just a moment to get the joke......:p
 
javafiend,

From your links,

The survey was conducted by an Iraqi university research team that, for security reasons, was not told the data it compiled would be used by coalition forces.
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``The Iraqi people look forward to the day when the foreign forces leave Iraq, when it's armed and security forces will be rebuilt and when they can enjoy peace and stability and get rid of terrorism,'' the leaders said in the statement. The session was broadcast live from the Egyptian capital by al-Jazeera.
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For the first quote, it would be nice to see the evidence. It's very different to survey people and ask, "Do you want the Americans out, or do you want to be tarred and feathered?", and to ask variants of "rated from 1-5, Are the Americans doing a good job? Are the Americans doing a bad job? Do you want the Americans to stay? Do you want the Americans to leave?" But we'll never know what the questions were, since they're secret.

For the second quote, it sounds like the Iraqis (sp?) want to control their own country, but aren't saying, "Git! Now! We don't want you here! Go home!" There's a very big difference between the two, and your post makes it seem like my words sounded, rather than the leaders' words.
 
In a final statement, read by [highlight]Arab League[/highlight] chief Amre Moussa, host of the three-day summit,
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Is this a meeting of Iraqi leaders, or is it an Arab League propaganda op?

The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph,
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And in the exact. Same. Issue of that paper we find another poll:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...ape21.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/21/ixhome.html

Said other poll stating that a dismaying percentage of Britons feel that women are the ones to blame if they get raped.

Maybe a third of the English population believes that if a woman flirts with a man, she deserves to be raped by that man. Myownself, I'm thinking that just because 33% percent of the population believes it to be so, doesn't make it right.

And I'm thinking that maybe I might ought to be a little cautious when regarding polls taken by that particular bird cage liner.

Then again, I'm not one to set my guiding star by the poll du jour. You want to live your days according to poll results, be my guest.

LawDog
 
Nothing in your diatribe is any different than what has been the plan all along:
rebuild the Iraqi armed forces to a place where they can take care of themselves, then begin a withdrawal.

So, what you are saying is that you agree with GW Bush completely and you are 100% behind the war and in sync with the administration. Glad to hear it!
 
That poll is pretty depressing Lawdog, but like all these polls that come out with surprising answers, I'd like to see the questions.
 
Here is the poll question:

"Should American infidel scum who eat our children and rape our livestock be allowed to stay in Iraq until our country is completely plundered?"

It works pretty much the same way with the gun control poll questions.
 
Of course the Iraqis want us out! We’re conquerors for God’s sake! When are conquerors ever welcome?

How many Americans want hard-working, non-violent “illegal” immigrants out of the U.S.?

~G. Fink
 
This doesn't scare me one bit.

Easy enough to call their bluff. Have a monthly referendum on whether we stay or go. The first time they vote us out, we go. It'll be on their heads then.
 
Newsflash:

Arab League troops are massing along the southern, eastern and western borders of Iraq. General Mustaffa al Cannabis Sativa has said, "As soon as the "Infidel Troops" have withdrawn, we will, God willing, like the Scimitar of The Prophet, sweep the terrorist swine into the Mother of all Rivers. Iraq shall be, God willing, peaceful by evening prayers."
 
Of course they want us out. The question is when do they want it.

Most of the Iraqis I talked to before I left 6 months ago were scared to death that we would leave too soon, before they had a handle on the situation.
 
I don't care what the Iraqis want. Lets not forget that we are not there to make the Iraqis happy, despite what Bush has to say in order to placate a Communist American media and a weak kneed, wishy washy American public that has no stomach for war. We are there because Iraq harbored and enabled terrorists and was the easiest place for America to at least try and get a democratic foothold in the Middle East.

The war is being waged because it is in the interest of the United States, period. The Iraqis getting their freedom is simpy a byproduct of cleaning out that hornet's nest and neutralizing a threat to the U.S. Unfortunately liberalism has weakend us so much that somehow we are compelled to feel apologetic for defending ourselves, and our leadership is forced to spin the argument for war into something it really shouldn't have to be (ie. freedom for the Iraqis).

If you think I have a low opinion of the average American, you would be correct. Unfortunately a war is much too inconvenient and cuts into the time the average lazy American can spend at Starbucks drinking a grande latte fruitcake whatever.
 
So while I had a bit of time on my hands this evening, I went back and researched all the threads concerning Iraq and Bush/Cheney that our friend Javafiend started and/or contributed ... and whoa, quite a few. Looks as though he's trying to prove something; in fact, I'm almost beginning to believe Javafiend has rather an anti-war agenda ...

I have to concur with Wingnutx's statement:
Most of the Iraqis I talked to before I left 6 months ago were scared to death that we would leave too soon, before they had a handle on the situation.
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The (month-old, by the way) article from Telegraph contains information about a survey that was never substantiated, IIRC ... As for the Egyptian head of the Arab League acting as a spokeman for "Iraqi Leadership?" Hokey-dokey...
 
Two of my old professors took work contracts in Iraq. I stopped believing Big Media the moment I started hearing from them. On almost every issue, what my friends living and working in Bagdad report is the polar opposite of what the news reports.

My friends tell me that the average Iraqi is appreciative of out efforts. They tend to be more worried about us leaving too soon than staying too long.

Sure, they don't like it that we have to be there. Who would? But it's the need for American troops they dislike, not the American troops themselves. Given the need, the Iraqis are glad to have us.

At least, that's what I'm told. I trust my friends more than I trust Big Media.
 
They're dying for us to leave!

Well, the leaders want us gone, the Iraqi freedom fighters* want us gone, a majority of Americans want us gone, most of Europe wants us gone, and, most important of all, it seems like American soldiers and their families want the occupation to end and they want the troops to come home and not be subject to suicide bombers and IEDs.

* I'm calling them "freedom fighters" because they are resisting an occupying force. If someone came over and occupied my country and tried to impose some alien government system on me, I would resist violently and call myself a "freedom fighter". For example, if the Soviet Union had invaded the US and started imposing its system of government, and even if a significant number of Americans had welcomed it (which some would have), those resisting would still properly be called "freedom fighters".
 
I'm calling them "freedom fighters" because they are resisting an occupying force.
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'Cept many are foreigners including their leader Al Zarqauri. They are more like "oppression fighters" the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan were "Freedom Fighters".

If we turned tail and ran away our families and soldiers would most assuredly be subject to suicide bombers and IEDs (or maybe planes again)...here in the US. Running away from Somalia inspired Bin Laden to attack US interests 5 times during the Clinton years without fear of reprisal. 9/11 was the 6th and thankfully a weakling wasn't running the show anymore.

P.S. the folks I saw in Baghdad sure were glad we are there.
 
trbon8r said:
I don't care what the Iraqis want. Lets not forget that we are not there to make the Iraqis happy, despite what Bush has to say in order to placate a Communist American media and a weak kneed, wishy washy American public that has no stomach for war. We are there because Iraq harbored and enabled terrorists and was the easiest place for America to at least try and get a democratic foothold in the Middle East.

The war is being waged because it is in the interest of the United States, period. The Iraqis getting their freedom is simpy a byproduct of cleaning out that hornet's nest and neutralizing a threat to the U.S. Unfortunately liberalism has weakend us so much that somehow we are compelled to feel apologetic for defending ourselves, and our leadership is forced to spin the argument for war into something it really shouldn't have to be (ie. freedom for the Iraqis).

If you think I have a low opinion of the average American, you would be correct. Unfortunately a war is much too inconvenient and cuts into the time the average lazy American can spend at Starbucks drinking a grande latte fruitcake whatever.[/QUOTe

+1!
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I'm calling them "freedom fighters" because they are resisting an occupying force. If someone came over and occupied my country and tried to impose some alien government system on me, I would resist violently and call myself a "freedom fighter".
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By attacking churches and construction sites?

It would be interesting to know who those "Iraqi officials" were, who could not be identified by name, who met IN EGYPT rather than in Iraq.

I smell a BS story ginned up by the Arab league.
 
strambo said:
'Cept many are foreigners including their leader Al Zarqauri. They are more like "oppression fighters" the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan were "Freedom Fighters".
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From reports I've read, 90% of resistance forces are Iraqi.
 
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