The Larry Goldstein Incident

[whisler]

I read this in the magazine in which it was published. My immediate take-away was " I will no longer leave my gun upstairs while I am in the basement".

 

[SharpDog]

I read this in the magazine in which it was published. My immediate take-away was " I will no longer leave my gun upstairs while I am in the basement".

My question for the folks that say 'don't stash guns around the house' (assuming that it is in a safe manner concerning kids, etc) is why not ?

Suppose you did leave your gun upstairs and you're doing your laundry (in your pajamas ... visuals )

wouldn't you also rather have a gun downstairs with you as well ?

I'm not sure I get the assumed 'either-or' here.

Also btw if you haven't read my other posts ...

DOGS. DOGS, DOGS

It would be hard to be surprised if you have even a half-awake dog with you

 

[Phaedrus/69]

My question for the folks that say 'don't stash guns around the house' (assuming that it is in a safe manner concerning kids, etc) is why not ?

Suppose you did leave your gun upstairs and you're doing your laundry (in your pajamas ... visuals )

wouldn't you also rather have a gun downstairs with you as well ?

I'm not sure I get the assumed 'either-or' here.

I'd sure feel silly providing an intruder with the gun he uses to shoot me!

 

[SharpDog]

I'd sure feel silly providing an intruder with the gun he uses to shoot me!

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They're not easy to find. Think 5 laundry loads of clothes with a gun in the middle. Or maybe a wall of Walmart drawers full of guns with just one loaded (and not in the front). If you saw my house you would know. There is zero chance someone would stumble upon a loadable gun without several hours of meticulous searching. My bedtime stash is withing the folds af 20 or so gun rugs near my bed, That;s the most obvious.

I'm not neat

If he;s killing me he's already killed my dogs so some $h1t already happened

 

[Kleanbore]

Suppose you did leave your gun upstairs and you're doing your laundry (in your pajamas ... visuals )I always do.

wouldn't you also rather have a gun downstairs with you as well ?

hey're not easy to find. Think 5 laundry loads of clothes with a gun in the middle. Or maybe a wall of Walmart drawers full of guns with just one loaded (and not in the front). If you saw my house you would know. There is zero chance someone would stumble upon a loadable gun without several hours of meticulous searching. My bedtime stash is withing the folds af 20 or so gun rugs near my bed, That;s the most obvious

Don't be naive.

A friend's son was burgled. The perps --plural--were in the house for about 35 minutes.

The did not go on a treasure hunt. They dumped every drawer, threw everything out of every cabinet and closet, knocked over every piece of furniture took up the rugs, and turned over the mattresses, and left a big mess. They took a small safe. They left nothing of value. They left no clues.

A mutual friend who is a police officer told us that that is usual.

If he;s killing me he's already killed my dogs so some $h1t already happened

Well, they do that.

How would that help you?

 

[Jack B.]

I get up every morning and put my carry gun on me. The only time I'm unarmed is in a place where it's illegal to have a gun. I don't hide guns around the house. No need to.

 

[Kleanbore]

I get up every morning and put my carry gun on me.

So do I.

I did not start out doing that, but it did not take long for me to adopt the practice.

The only time I'm unarmed is in a place where it's illegal to have a gun.

Me too.

. I don't hide guns around the house.

Nor do I.

No need to.

Nor is it really very prudent.

There are those who say that carryng in the home is inconvenient or uncomfortable. I cannot understand how those carry all day outside the home would find carrying at home uncomfortable

And it obviates the need to take of the gun and do something with it when one comes home, and to put it one again every time one leaves.

 

[Jack B.]

My carry gun is so comfy that it would be easy for a person to forget that they are armed. But I never forget. Carring at home is the same as carrying outside the home. Makes no difference to me.

 

[SharpDog]

Don't be naive.

A friend's son was burgled. The perps --plural--were in the house for about 35 minutes.

The did not go on a treasure hunt. They dumped every drawer, threw everything out of every cabinet and closet, knocked over every piece of furniture took up the rugs, and turned over the mattresses, and left a big mess. They took a small safe. They left nothing of value. They left no clues.

A mutual friend who is a police officer told us that that is usual.

Well, they do that.

How would that help you?

Yes, they have killed the dogs (which are inside the house and generally about 6' away from me) without alerting them or me throuh a locked door and basically an obstaclie course in the dark. Some $h1t has already happened.

Stop watching so many movies

 

[TomJ]

My question for the folks that say 'don't stash guns around the house' (assuming that it is in a safe manner concerning kids, etc) is why not ?

For those of us with kids, it's not a good idea IMO and in some states is illegal. When I wake up in the morning I put on a pair of shorts or pants and throw my 43x in my pocket. It takes a minute to do so. It's there until I go to bed, at which point I have a gun in my nightstand.

 

[Kleanbore]

without alerting them or me throuh a locked door

Do you stay home all the time?

and basically an obstaclie course in the dark.

Most burglaries happen during the day time.

Some $h1t has already happened.

By definition.

Stop watching so many movies

Movies?

 

[bdickens]

My question for the folks that say 'don't stash guns around the house' (assuming that it is in a safe manner concerning kids, etc) is why not ?

That much should be obvious if you've been reading.

1) You can't always get to one in time.

2) They can be found by unauthorized persons.

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Also btw if you haven't read my other posts ...

DOGS. DOGS, DOGS

It would be hard to be surprised if you have even a half-awake dog with you

Dogs aren't foolproof.

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They're not easy to find. Think 5 laundry loads of clothes with a gun in the middle. Or maybe a wall of Walmart drawers full of guns with just one loaded (and not in the front). If you saw my house you would know. There is zero chance someone would stumble upon a loadable gun without several hours of meticulous searching. My bedtime stash is withing the folds af 20 or so gun rugs near my bed, That;s the most obvious.

I'm not neat

If he;s killing me he's already killed my dogs so some $h1t already happened

Burglars find hiding places for a living.

Real burglars aren't cute about it like in some '60s jewel theif movie where they jimmy open a window, sneak in and carefully rummage around so as to not leave any trace of their presence until the owner discovers, much to their surprise, an empty safe.

Real burglars kick in the door, knock over the bookcases, pull all the drawers out & dump them, etc. etc.

Every place you mentioned are some of the first places one would look. A burglar will find your guns in about 5 minutes. Even without having read your post here where you tell the whole world where they are .

 

[SharpDog]

Do you stay home all the time?

Most burglaries happen during the day time.

By definition.

Movies?

Actually I'm home now during covid 23.5 hours a day since I'm working from home.

Before covid I worked from home 5/7 years.

I didn't read the 'The Larry Goldstein Incident' as a burglary but rather as a self defense incident.

That much should be obvious if you've been reading.

1) You can't always get to one in time.

2) They can be found by unauthorized persons.


Dogs aren't foolproof.



Burglars find hiding places for a living.

Real burglars aren't cute about it like in some '60s jewel theif movie where they jimmy open a window, sneak in and carefully rummage around so as to not leave any trace of their presence until the owner discovers, much to their surprise, an empty safe.

Real burglars kick in the door, knock over the bookcases, pull all the drawers out & dump them, etc. etc.

Every place you mentioned are some of the first places one would look. A burglar will find your guns in about 5 minutes. Even without having read your post here where you tell the whole world where they are .

As far as alerting they are a darn sight more reliable than a person or a security system (which I also have).

 

[Kleanbore]

I didn't read the 'The Larry Goldstein Incident' as a burglary but rather as a self defense incident.

It was an unlawful entry into an occupied home in the daytime, a kidnapping, and a robbery, against which the victim defended himself.

Had Dr .Goldstein not been at home, one can assume that his wife would have been taken.

Had both Goldsteins been out , a burglary might have occurred.

 

[scaatylobo]

And they were targeted because they sat in a marked patrol car; apples to oranges

Great = so if we are "targeted" because we live in a nice house ----- that attack wont count ?.

Huh ?.

 

[George P]

Get on the same page. One can play extreme What if games all day long; comparing today's shooting of cops versus something from 5 or so years ago is ludicrous

 

[aaronu]

It occurs to me that Dr.Goldstein benefited from being a pillar of his community... and also likely benefited from not having a hostile, politically or idealogically motivated, anti-2A district attorney evaluating his case.

 

[scaatylobo]

Get on the same page. One can play extreme What if games all day long; comparing today's shooting of cops versus something from 5 or so years ago is ludicrous

IF this was directed at my comments.

Then do note that this whole issue was brought up due to an incident of a man in a 'nice house' that was TARGETED !.

If this was not at me,----------- never mind .

 

[SharpDog]

btw, one of the physical security measures I take is to make sure my house looks like crap LOL. This includes hiding the security cameras, etc. Stacks of empty Amazon boxes, trash and boxes of dog food always on the porch help to camouflage any Amazon packages thet do get delivered.

 

[RioShooter]

I think doing yard work or hanging in the garage with the door open are some of the most hazardous times. Within the house your door is probably locked so no one can just walk up to you. But in the yard while raking leaves or puttering around in the garage you probably are at an attention deficit (ie your attention is occupied on whatever you're working on). And psychologically your guard is probably down because you feel like you're "at home" when in reality you have all the tactical disadvantages of being in a public space. Where I live now I don't do the yardwork but I do gun-up when I walk out to the street to my bank of mailboxes. It's tough to describe but with the layout of my place I don't carry inside; my door is always locked and bolted with a latch accessible only from the inside and my front door is steel and fairly heavy. It would virtually impossible to get through the door to me in a short enough interval that I couldn't reach a firearm. I am only carrying in my home if I am just getting ready to go out or have got back in.

In years past though I have in houses that had unattached garages. They were smaller, low-crime cities and I rarely carried while puttering around in there. In retrospect it was more good luck on my part that nothing bad happened than good procedures. A sobering read indeed!

In Indianapolis a few decades ago, a man living in a nice neighborhood was shot and killed while standing on his ladder cleaning leaves from a gutter. No one knows for sure what happened, but his block is the dividing line in Indy between upscale houses and those that are not. Also, a young, black man was seen running down the street after the shots were fired. The crime was never solved. BTW, if you know Indy, he lived close to 38th street.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

morale - don't leave your garage door up.

He was on his way to leave

 

[Trunk Monkey]

If you can't get to a gun in two steps, you're not armed.

Be armed.

Larry

If it takes you two steps to get to your gun, you're not armed.

Be armed

 

[Trunk Monkey]

My question for the folks that say 'don't stash guns around the house' (assuming that it is in a safe manner concerning kids, etc) is why not ?

This question has been answered numerous times. You are far more likely to lose guns stashed all over your house in a burglary then you are to use them to defend yourself.

Suppose you did leave your gun upstairs and you're doing your laundry (in your pajamas ... visuals )

wouldn't you also rather have a gun downstairs with you as well ?

I'd rather have a gun on my person. Which is what I do

They're not easy to find. Think 5 laundry loads of clothes with a gun in the middle. Or maybe a wall of Walmart drawers full of guns with just one loaded (and not in the front).

Even if they never find the loaded gun they're going to steal all the other ones.

 

[SharpDog]

This question has been answered numerous times. You are far more likely who's guns stashed all over your house in a burglary then you already use them to defend yourself.



I'd rather have a gun on my person. Which is what I do



Even if they never find the loaded gun they're going to steal all the other ones.

It was an unlawful entry into an occupied home in the daytime, a kidnapping, and a robbery, against which the victim defended himself.

Had Dr .Goldstein not been at home, one can assume that his wife would have been taken.

Had both Goldsteins been out , a burglary might have occurred.

So, even if this had been mainly about a burglary (which it isn't) then, by your responses, it would be harder to find and take your guns if they were all in one place than if they were spread around the house? ... Before you leap to the gunsafe response, realize they can still be in safes hidden around the house.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

So, even if this had been mainly about a burglary (which it isn't) then, by your responses, it would be harder to find and take your guns if they were all in one place than if they were spread around the house? ... Before you leap to the gunsafe response, realize they can still be in safes hidden around the house.

You do you