The last box...

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While reading @dh1633pm 's thread about his fathers notebook ( https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/found-gold-today.923503/#post-12727668 ), it got me to think about a box of handloads that came into my possession recently.

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A coworker of one of my sons gave him 2 boxes of high-brass 16 ga. shells that I assume were from a relatives estate, and asked him if he wanted any 30-06 ammo and casings. He said yes knowing that I shoot a fair amount of -06.

Looking at my haul, there was a plastic shell case with 20 empty R-P casings, and this box of reloads. They were loaded about a week before the start of the 1966 PA buck season. The box contained 16 150 gr. Remington bronze pt. cartridges and 4 empties. At least that's what the Sierra sticker claims. I had heard of "bronze points" years ago, but had never actually seen one in person. I guess that they were Big Greens answer to the Silver Tip.

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I had no experience with IMR 4320 so I checked my Lyman 44th, and 53 grs. is pretty hot, about .5 gr. over max.

I started thinking that maybe I had somebodies last box of ammo that they ever loaded, to be used in the upcoming deer season. I assume that at least a couple of the fired shells were sighters. I hope that one or 2 might have killed a nice buck. But those last 16 were the end of the line.

I think that I'm going to pull them down, burn the powder for kicks, and save the bullets. I can neck size the brass and use them for something.

But back to the notebook, the Sierra sticker was all that I had to work with. It wasn't much, but could be deciphered. We'll all have some unused ammo and components being pondered over some day. I hope that my heirs will be able to decipher my notebooks and put my residue to good use. When ever my kids use my equipment to reload, I make them fill out their data in my notebook so they should know what it all means. I'm trying to pass the handloading culture along as best as I can.
 
I’d load them shoot enough to zero and try to kill a deer with them.

I wish that there were more than 16. Plus my 30-06 and .308 deer hunting loads use 165's.

Does anyone know the history of the bronze point? Did it come after the Silver tip or visa versa.
 
Thanks for the story. You never know sometimes. I have quite a few from my dad. He labeled things well And kept good notes. I have a couple boxes of 7 mm bronze points. I have been using them for 7x57.
 
Cannelure?...we don't need no stinkin' cannelure!

There's another cannelure right at the case mouth, so I guess that bullet has 2. He didn't crimp into it though. I have some Remington .264 140 gr. SP's that have 2 cannelures also.
 
I was lucky enough to inherit a box of 150gr 30cal Bronze Points... havent done much shooting with them once I learned they were somewhat unobtanium. It came with 2 distinct batches showing different cannelure positions.... or just a vintage box of blems :eek:

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One of the cannelures is right at home in a 300blk...
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I'd pull them down check the powder for degradation, reduce them below max, put them back together and send them. Not enough bullets to do good testing, and 4320 was the varget of yesteryear. If the powder passes the paper test use it to....
 
Such a small number……

Two trains of thought. Shoot them and have fun.

Stash them for some unknown need some rainy day.


I tend towards option two, it’s just who I am, nothing wrong with option one.
 
nothing wrong with option one

Good, because that's what I'm going to do. Option two, going back to the OP theme, would involve stashing them in a plastic bag that most probably will be found by whoever cleans out my man-cave when I make my trip to the happy hunting grounds.

I pulled them down, tumbled the brass for a couple hours, neck sized the primed ones, and reseated the bullets over my reduced recoil load of IMR4198. I shoot a fair amount of 150/155's with this load in my Springfield and M1917 rifles. They will be used. The first one got crooked in my seating die and crumpled the case neck. So I have 1 souvenir bullet. 15 bullets and primers, maybe $5 of free components not to mention the brass.

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Check out the double cannelure. I guess the upper groove qualifies as one.

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I never used, or even thought about, IMR4320.

4320 was the varget of yesteryear

Yes, it's right beside Varget on my burn rate chart. Its not made anymore, but the small compact grains would measure like water compared to Varget. Like Varget short cut. They are perforated grains too.

It's been discontinued but it might be a success today due to its throwability through powder measures. Especially if it performed anyway close to Varget.
 
Good, because that's what I'm going to do. Option two, going back to the OP theme, would involve stashing them in a plastic bag that most probably will be found by whoever cleans out my man-cave when I make my trip to the happy hunting grounds.

I pulled them down, tumbled the brass for a couple hours, neck sized the primed ones, and reseated the bullets over my reduced recoil load of IMR4198. I shoot a fair amount of 150/155's with this load in my Springfield and M1917 rifles. They will be used. The first one got crooked in my seating die and crumpled the case neck. So I have 1 souvenir bullet. 15 bullets and primers, maybe $5 of free components not to mention the brass.

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Check out the double cannelure. I guess the upper groove qualifies as one.

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I never used, or even thought about, IMR4320.



Yes, it's right beside Varget on my burn rate chart. Its not made anymore, but the small compact grains would measure like water compared to Varget. Like Varget short cut. They are perforated grains too.

It's been discontinued but it might be a success today due to its throwability through powder measures. Especially if it performed anyway close to Varget.
If I could bring back one that would be it. Even the shooters world varget clone is fetching to dollar.
 
Good, because that's what I'm going to do. Option two, going back to the OP theme, would involve stashing them in a plastic bag that most probably will be found by whoever cleans out my man-cave when I make my trip to the happy hunting grounds.

I pulled them down, tumbled the brass for a couple hours, neck sized the primed ones, and reseated the bullets over my reduced recoil load of IMR4198. I shoot a fair amount of 150/155's with this load in my Springfield and M1917 rifles. They will be used. The first one got crooked in my seating die and crumpled the case neck. So I have 1 souvenir bullet. 15 bullets and primers, maybe $5 of free components not to mention the brass.

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Check out the double cannelure. I guess the upper groove qualifies as one.

View attachment 1174391

I never used, or even thought about, IMR4320.



Yes, it's right beside Varget on my burn rate chart. Its not made anymore, but the small compact grains would measure like water compared to Varget. Like Varget short cut. They are perforated grains too.

It's been discontinued but it might be a success today due to its throwability through powder measures. Especially if it performed anyway close to Varget.
I wonder what my “Last Box” will be? My “First Box” was 148gr HBWC w/ 2.8gr of Bullseye in .38Spl. I still make a few boxes just like them every year. No idea what the last will be though. Interesting thought.
 
Good, because that's what I'm going to do. Option two, going back to the OP theme, would involve stashing them in a plastic bag that most probably will be found by whoever cleans out my man-cave when I make my trip to the happy hunting grounds.
I have two kids who like to shoot, so I’m not as worried about that.


When the kids were young we bought them some inline skates. Well, by gosh, they just had to have the “speed” bearings. That was 30ish years ago, and I still have the stock bearings I replaced, bagged, labeled, and stored in a drawer in a small storage bin.

Yep, I tend to keep things for a rainy day.
 
Good, because that's what I'm going to do. Option two, going back to the OP theme, would involve stashing them in a plastic bag that most probably will be found by whoever cleans out my man-cave when I make my trip to the happy hunting grounds.

I pulled them down, tumbled the brass for a couple hours, neck sized the primed ones, and reseated the bullets over my reduced recoil load of IMR4198. I shoot a fair amount of 150/155's with this load in my Springfield and M1917 rifles. They will be used. The first one got crooked in my seating die and crumpled the case neck. So I have 1 souvenir bullet. 15 bullets and primers, maybe $5 of free components not to mention the brass.

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Check out the double cannelure. I guess the upper groove qualifies as one.

View attachment 1174391

I never used, or even thought about, IMR4320.



Yes, it's right beside Varget on my burn rate chart. Its not made anymore, but the small compact grains would measure like water compared to Varget. Like Varget short cut. They are perforated grains too.

It's been discontinued but it might be a success today due to its throwability through powder measures. Especially if it performed anyway close to Varget.
Those pulled bullets are similar to some Hornady 180's I have with those two "cannelure" lines. They work tho.
 
I was "gifted" some olllld 30-06 reloads years back that were loaded with Sierra Game King open tip bullets (looks like a Phillips head screwdriver). I pulled them, dumped the powder and loaded a half box for my .308 PSS. First rounds I ever shot out of that gun and it put 3 in under half inch @100y.
 
I don't buy gun show powder or powder other than from a store.
I don't shoot other people's reloads either, until I did.

I bought a used S&W 460 XVR about a year or so ago.
The seller had a bunch of brass and about 150 rounds of 460 and 454 Casull that he gave me with the gun.
All loads were well identified with all the pertinent load information.
He was a friend of a friend so I was over at his house and he showed me his reloading setup.
All top of th line equipment well organized etc.

When I got home I began to pull the bullets on the 454 Casull loads.
I began measuring the powder in each cartridge and they were pretty spot on.
They were coming in at around 30.85gr when the label said 31.0gr of H110.
I compared th powder to the H110 I had on hand and it looked spot on.
After pulling about 20 of them I began weighing the entire cartridge and they were all withing 1 grain of each other.
I ended up taking a chance and shot them.
 
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Are we to assume that everything went well......?
Yes. every round I disassembled was within 0.1 gr.
It was under max load of 31.4gr of H110 under a 300gr XTP Magnum.
It's definitely a stout load but knowing that the S&W 460XVR is built like a brick ****house helps keep those little voices in your head at bay.
 
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Yes. every round I disassembled was within 0.1 gr.
It was under max load of 31.4gr of H110 under a 300gr XTP Magnum.
It's definitely a stout load but knowing that the S&W 460XVR is built like a brick ****house helps keep those little voices in your head at bay.
You talked to the guy and validated his work. Seems reasonable. Some mystery gunshot rounds are a different game entirely...
 
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