The Logic Eludes Me

[Charleo0192]

The article is about a victim of the Aurora shooting who unfortunately does not have healthcare.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/07/24/573441/uninsured-aurora-2-million-medical-bill/?mobile=nc

I don't bring this up for that though. Rather at all the comments below it. Numerous people suggest the NRA should pay for the guys bills. First comment being "I wonder if the NRA would be willing to step Up to help this young family? just saying...."

One person did say "The NRA had NOTHING to do with this shooting. What the hell is WRONG with you... maybe the American Psychiatric Society should "step up"? Do you see how ridiculous you sound?"

But that is only a drop of water in a big ocean.

I know it is misplaced blame, but it pissed me off reading the comments.

I wrote this to point out something that got to me, but I do leave it as an open-ended discussion.

 

[Deus Machina]

It will be six months or more before anyone willing to start any argument about this case argues it with logic. It's pure emotion right now.

On the other hand, I think it would be good for the NRA to step up as the good guy and offer a care fund for the victims' and families' health care and counseling. It can hardly be demanded of them, but when the Brady Bunch opens fire and claims that 'the killer used a gun, the NRA supports guns, therefore the NRA supports the killer', it would be a great way for them to say "The tools are not the problem--It is a terrible thing to be done, and it is a terrible person to have done it," and the uninformed groups that the antis may have recruited may instead see that normal gun owners are just as appalled.

 

[Trent]

Wow. Maybe I should sue Mesa and Gibson for my hearing problem. Because my guitar sure makes my ears ring.

Idiots.. they suck, but without them who would {insert job here}...

 

[Bubba613]

The NRA didnt manufacture the gun. They didnt sell the gun. They didnt train the guy. He wasn't a member, as far as I know. You might as well suggest that Heath Ledger's estate fund some medical bills.
That's the problem in this country: many people have the attitude that "someone" needs to pay for whatever it is. Preferably someone else.

 

[oldbear]

That's the problem in this country: many people have the attitude that "someone" needs to pay for whatever it is. Preferably someone else.

That is the most sensible thing I've read so far tonight, and I for one am sick and tired of the entire class of folks who believe they are entitled to a free ride.

 

[LeonCarr]

The NRA had nothing to do with it.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[bigdipper]

What the @@#$% did the NRA do crazy people kill people with out guns. If its the NRA's fault that people get killed its mcdonalds fault that there is obesity

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

From what I understand The City of Aurora and The State of Colorado drafted the city ordinance and the state law that disarmed Colorado CHL holders in the theater, not the NRA.

Cites? Colorado is a shall issue state, and signs have no force of law in this state (this is Colorado, not Texas).

Also, cities cannot supercede state law.

No law disarmed CHL holders in the theatres.

Where did you get your information?

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Flying opinions are OK, right or wrong.

Passionate points of view rooted in misunderstanding are to be expected.

Grasping for a tenuous responsible party (other than or in addition to the shooter) is nothing new.

Failure to recognize that one's "solution" may unfairly and adversely affect third parties is a short-sidedness we've come to regard as a right.

Anyhoo, I can and do roll with the punches for the most part as a cost of living in a human society and a free one at that, but but each time the societal vampires in the form of attorneys begin to school and swarm, well then is when I begin to fear for the America that was and yet, for the most part is... Thank God.

 

[MachIVshooter]

From what I understand The City of Aurora and The State of Colorado drafted the city ordinance and the state law that disarmed Colorado CHL holders in the theater, not the NRA.

Well, that's just patently wrong. As Larry said, we are a shall-issue state with preemption, and "no guns" signs do not have force of law unless metal detectors are permanently in place at all public entrances (which would make the sign kinda tough to disobey anyway).

Century cinemas has a corporate no guns policy. Because the sign does not carry weight of law here, it is arguable that they can't really be held liable for disarming people, since anyone could have ignored the sign with only the risk of being told to leave or face trespassing charges if they refuse.

If I were someone who had a permit but wasn't carrying because of their sign, and I was injured in this attack, yeah, I'd sue them for medical expenses and lost wages. As it were, though, I ignore no guns signs wholesale, but only patronize such businesses if there's no feasible alternative. The only such case I can think of where I actually gave money to a company with such a policy was MHC Kenworth Denver, because I wasn't willing to turn around after driving 50 miles and then deal with trying to get a refund on stuff I'd already paid for by phone.

 

[Warp]

From what I understand The City of Aurora and The State of Colorado drafted the city ordinance and the state law that disarmed Colorado CHL holders in the theater, not the NRA.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

What is the source of your understanding?

What city ordinance? What state law? Links?

 

[denton]

Our state legislature had a brief flirtation with the notion that if someone forces you to be disarmed, then they have responsibility for your protection. Interesting concept.

 

[Warp]

Our state legislature had a brief flirtation with the notion that if someone forces you to be disarmed, then they have responsibility for your protection. Interesting concept.

What was to constitute "forces"?

 

[LeonCarr]

I stand corrected. The information I received was from unverified sources that I have since verified as incorrect information.

I apologize.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[Sav .250]

Now that is really off the wall !!

 

[thefish]

Not only did the NRA have nothing to do with it, but I would think that if the NRA did "step up", that could be seen as an admission of responsibility in some eyes, instead of just the good guy donation that it really is.
And could set some kind of precident or expectation in the future.

I think the real take away is everyone should have health insurance.

 

[FROGO207]

Yeah--shortly everybody will be taxed (per SCOTUS) for healthcare if they do not already have it.:banghead: The problem as I see it is when any organization/entity with deep pockets steps up to help that is almost like they are admitting guilt about the incident in some way. It matters little what the incident is/was. It seems the worst when firearms are involved however IMHO.