The major problem with a CCW

[Green Lantern]

Your FIRST priority is to see how much trouble you stand to get in if you're discovered carrying in a posted place.

http://www.packing.org/ is up tonight, and http://handgunlaw.us/ is another option (though not as easily navigated IMO).

Yeah, NC CCW law is FULL of "Thou shalt not carry in's" - but I'm lucky that there are only a few posted places where I live/work. Mainly two grocery stores. That's all right, I go to the THIRD one!

Because legal or illegal, I say "a pox on the idiots that post their businesses, truly expecting it to make them SAFER!" As in, I don't want ONE CENT of my cash going to them!

You might try talking to the "powers that be" in these businesses. I just hope you don't discourage easily! Those two grocery stores...I actually have a letter from Mr. Dean Cohagan, the CEO of Bi-Lo supermarkets. Don't look for the tiny little Bi-Lo "gunbusters" to come down anytime soon, but I've hopefully planted the seed of thought in his head that being "posted" isn't all it's cracked up to be. Sad as it is, some people need to be reminded that violent criminals don't heed these signs!

You may also want to post these businesses on http://anticcw.com/postnuke/html/ for other people to see and help you put pressure on them.

The basic things I stress to people that post their businesses are:
1) Increased liability, a criminal won't heed a sign and leave his gun home, but he darn well MIGHT read the sign and think "SOFT TARGET!"

2) Bad for business, since they're telling a segment of their customer base "we don't want to serve your kind here." Which is stupid, because people with CCW permits have been cleared by the authorites and found capable and trustworthy enough to carry a firearm. How much do the owners know about the REST of their customers?

3) "A lawfully armed society is a polite society." Since joining in or especially STARTING a fight is a big no-no, Odds are MUCH higher that a CCWer who finds himself behind a guy with a full grocery cart in the "10 items or less" lane will say out loud what he THINKS about the guy ! Thus maintaining a peaceful environment

Well, you get the idea! Do some homework, and get those antis EDUCATED!

 

[Zoogster]

Yeah as more people become aware they can impose thier politics on anyone by posting a sign someplace they do. Many of these places are chain stores headquartered somewhere far away and with stores nationaly. They care not one bit about your percieved rights or safety if they can make blanket feel good policies thier lawyers tell them lower liability.

Pretty soon CCW won't mean much because anyone planning to stop somewhere will have to disarm themselves.

Just one more way that the will of the people can be bypassed.

 

[1911 guy]

My personal thoughts.

I'm not a lawyer, I don't play one on T.V., I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn recently. However: I go about my business whether I'm carrying or not. Concealed means concealed. I'm not going to go out of my way to deliberately carry where it's posted, and I do give my choice to places that aren't posted. When not given the option, though, I'm not going to put a handgun in a parked car to get stolen, leave my family vulnerable to some whacko because of a sign or feel like a "bad person" because I feel that my safety and that of my family is my responsibility.

 

[bear71]

Phetro and Standing Wolf -

My apologies for offending your sensibilities regarding your right to combine drinking alchohol and carrying.

 

[Zen21Tao]

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't some states require a legally enforceable sign have the state statute (number and section) printed on the sign that governs the legality of such a sign in order for it to in fact be legal? I live in Florida where such signs are just owner requests and not legally enforceable.

 

[Car Knocker]

bear71,

It is also legal to carry in a bar in Utah (of all states) as long as one isn't under the influence. As far as I am aware, this has not been a problem.

Come to think of it, I can go to church first thing in the morning, stop in at my granddaughter's school and read her class a story, go up and chat with the Governor in his office in the Capitol, and then stop in a bar on my way home, all the time legally carrying a .45.

 

[bear71]

Don -

When can I move in? Just something small in the basement or garage would suffice, me, the wifey, the two pre 3 year old boys, oh and Bear!

 

[earplug]

Freedom

Freedom is taking your weapon of choice into the local school located polling place and voting for the leadership of your choice.
Of course two out of three is illegal without a permit.

 

[aryfrosty]

Carrying in soft target only areas...

A lot of pretty good water went under the bridge in this thread. The only times I have seen CCW folks get in dutch up here were when they had to stop as they got out of their cars and let half the parking lot watch them stretch and rearrange and "hide" their weapon before going in a store. Like the person said..."Concealed is CONCEALED!"
As for the gent who pointed out that we are sigining a "contract" when we get a CCP. I don't think so. We aren't sigining anything except a permit application. We shouldn't have to even do that...but we certainly are not promising anything to anyone in exchange for a privilege we already own. I will never enter into a "contract" with a Police department under any conditions. They simply don't have statutory authority to enter into contracts. If Wally*World wants to get hinky about concealed weapons it's up to them to enforce their rules. Not the local Police. In fact Wally*World was said to be thinking of just such silly signs up here recently. Then the news broke regarding the CCW carrier who intervened in an armed assault in Wal*Mart and they seem to have lowered their point of aim.