The Mechanics Of Shooting Low And To The Left.

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The Mechanics Of Shooting Low And To The Left.

The following details why shooters often shoot low and to the left.

MECHANICS OF THE KNUCKLES OF THE HAND

If you hold a piece of 1 or 2 inch pipe loosely in your right hand with your palm down, and then grasp it firmly, you will find that it will tip down on the right side and up on the left.

That happens because the knuckles of your ring and little finger where they meet your hand, will have rolled forward and down. They will no longer be in alignment with the knuckles of the index and middle fingers.

You can test this without a piece of pipe.

Hold your hand out in front of you, palm down, and make a relaxed fist.

Then clench your fist tightly. And as you do that look at the knuckles of your ring and little finger where they meet your hand. They will move or roll down and forward some.

The third knuckle of the ring finger and the little finger, are hinge joints which can rotate some. And with their movement, the ring and little fingers will clamp down and give tenacity to the grip.

The same knuckles of your index finger and your middle finger, are not hinge joints. They are stable.

So, when you grip a gun firmly, the knuckles of the index and middle finger will remain in place, and the knuckles of the ring and little fingers will roll forward. The ring and little fingers will clamp onto the grip and twist it down and to the left and down. And as a result, the gun barrel will be pulled down and to the left with the muzzle taking a nose dive.

Note that a big or double stack grip that is also big for a hand, may prevent the ring and little fingers from moving and clamping down and result in a weak grip.

MECHANICS OF THE LOWER ARM AND HAND

If a gun is grasped, and then shoved full out, the gun and barrel will rotate left and with full extension, the muzzle will take a slight nose dive. That is due to the arrangement of bones and muscles of the lower arm and hand.

Here is a note from Applegate's Kill or Get Killed about that..."the student may shove the gun forward when firing. This causes the barrel to point downward..."

You can test this yourself as well.

Clench your fist tightly, and shove it out to full extension. As it reaches full extension, the hand, wrist, and lower arm will rotate to the left and, your hand will tip down.

According to Applegate, the nose dive of the muzzle, will be more pronounced with the .45 because of its design and angle of the grip.

To counter this, he said the gun should be cocked up some, and the wrist should be flexed to the right, to bring the gun barrel in line with the arm.

MECHANICS OF THE TRADITIONAL GRIP

The "traditional" grip is made up of the thumb, the web of the hand, and the middle finger.

Together, they form an unbalanced pincer, with the middle finger lower than the thumb.

So, when the gun is gripped and pressure is applied, the middle finger will twist the grip around to the left, with the muzzle again taking a nose dive

And the stronger the grip pressure, the more the gun will twist down and left.

Also, a heavy trigger pull can result in more down and left twisting. That could happen with "double action" where the trigger is used to pull back the hammer, and also fire the gun.

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Applegate said the the gun should be kept perpendicular with the belt buckle (indexed on your centerline), and that the barrel should be kept level (to counter shooting low and to the left).

He also said that when the gun is raised, the shoulder joint should be used as the fulcrum. (That will avoid the left twist of the gun, and the muzzle dive when the gun is pushed out to full extension.)

If one is able to do all the things suggested, and they practice until they are very proficient in controlling grip forces and recoil, shooting low and to the left, might be avoided.

However, if you do not practice as much as you should, or if in a life or death close quarters situation, your instinctive Fight or Flight response kicks and voids some of your practice routines, chances are, you will miss and low and to the left, given the mechanics described above.

Applegate said that in a life and death close quarters confrontation, you will be grasping the pistol in an almost convulsive grip. In Kill or Get Killed, he said that..."in the midst of battle excitement, a man instinctively grips his weapon in this manner and certainly does not take time to hold his breath, line up the sights, and squeeze the trigger."

Now, a specialized stance, or two handed grip may help, but that is doubtful. Per the NYPD's extensive SOP 9 study of police combat, officers with an occasional exception, fired with the strong hand.

So what is the average home defender to do?

Well, he/she might:

Grab your gun, place your index finger along the side and in line with the barrel, and extend your arm and point at an object naturally.

Surprise!

You will find that you have a strong and level shooting platform with no left twist or muzzle dive.

Mechanically, the act of extending the index finger along the side of the gun, helps to extend and "lock up" the wrist, which adds strength to the grip, improves recoil control, and minimizes the tendency to shoot low and left.

And that brings into this discussion, the subject of AIMED Point Shooting or P&S which won't be covered here.
 
I don't know who Mr. Applegate is, but I disagree with most of his theories in the above post. I'm no expert, but I've been shooting for over 40 years, and 90% of shooting left and low,(for a right-handed shooter) is some combination of anticipating recoil, and poor trigger technique.

The reason that MY ring and little fingers shift forward when making a fist is because they're SHORTER than the other two fingers, not made differently. And .................... well, I just don't agree with Mr. Applegate.
 
Rex Applegate

"Applegate" would be Col. Rex Applegate (retired) (1914-1998) who was an officer in the MP Corps during World War II. He was involved in training OSS agents prior to their insertion behind enemy lines. After the war he did some training and consulting work and worked as a manufacturer's rep for various firearms and police equipment companies.

He wrote the books Kill or Get Killed, Riot control: Material and Techniques and a number of others.

Do a web search on him, or check out www.americancombatives.com. If you've been shooting for 40 years, I'm sure you'll remember who Applegate is once you see a few pictures and read a couple of articles. He used to write fairly frequently for some of the gun magazines, and there have been many articles about him and his training philosophy in recent years.
 
Please don't mis-understand. I'm not disparaging Mr. Applegate, nor his writings, in any way. I just don't agree with his analysis in the above post. That analysis may be right on target for most, or other shooters, but not for me. I agree that there are basics that apply to most shooting styles/disciplines, but I feel that shooting is a very personal practice, that require adjustments or variations from person-to-person. As is usually the case, "your mileage may vary"


Regards, Jay
 
IMNSHO, low and left, between 7 & 8 o'clock, is most often the result of clenching the lower grip fingers in anticipation of the recoil. Real problem for me in slow fire where you have the time to anticipate, even if only at a subconscious level, every shot breaking. Snatching at / jerking the trigger just when you realize the "perfect" sight picture contributes as well.

Easier to countermand with a 2 hand hold but, that's frowned upon in Bullseye.
/Bryan
 
Lay your strong hand palm up on a table or other surface where it can be relaxed completely.

Let it relax completely. It will probably roll a bit so the palm is no longer straight up and your fingers will curl up a bit.

Leaving your hand as completely relaxed as possible, watch your hand and while watching carefully make a movement with your index finger as if you are squeezing a trigger.

Think about what you just saw... ;)
 
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WOW thats good stuff
just goes to show you can find everything right here , thats why THR rocks
 
JohnKSa said:
Lay your strong hand palm up on a table or other surface where it can be relaxed completely.

Let it relax completely. It will probably roll a bit so the palm is no longer straight up and your fingers will curl up a bit.

Leaving your hand as completely relaxed as possible, watch your hand and while watching carefully make a movement with your index finger as if you are squeezing a trigger.

Think about what you just saw... ;)
I don't know what you saw, but I saw my trigger finger move.

What am I missing?
 
Repeat the experiment, but this time watch your middle finger closely.

Unless you've practiced a lot, if you COMPLETELY relax your hand, you will see that your trigger finger is not the only part of your hand that moved.

Fingers are generally trained (by most normal movements) to move in concert and they continue to do so (at least on a small scale) even when you only want one to move by itself.
 
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