The Most Effective Hollowpoint

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What autoloader round (in hollowpoint) do you think is most effective for self-defense?
I've always liked .45ACP, but I've heard that it doesn't perform as well as higher-velocity rounds like .40S&W and 9mm Para as a hollowpoint.
Anyway, I'm relatively new to handguns in general, so I was looking for some input.
 
I've never bought all the hype of the "hollow" point.
The ONLY reason I can see to use one is to stop overpenetration.
I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.
I figure anything shot in the head area, and they will never know the difference in the two.

That being said, I've had many people say Gold Dots are the best.
 
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In order- the .45 is the best, the .40 is second [but extremely close to the .45] and the 9mm third. Honestly the .45 and .40 are very close due to bullet technology. The 9mm is not far behind due to bullet technology and Hi-Cap mags. Given the choice I always take the .45 or .40- although with the right ammo and the 17 round mag of my 9mm, I would still be quite comfortable with a 9mm. Now Im am going to duck, because I am sure this thread will start a caliber war:eek::) Take Care!

The Best to You and Yours!

Frank

PS-Hollow Points are awesome!-I prefer the 230gr for my .45's-The 165gr or 180gr for my .40's and the 124gr +P for my 9mm. Stick with major brands- IE- Winchester SXT-Federal HST or Hydra-Shoks-Remington Golden Sabers-Speer Gold Dots-etc.
 
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I've never bought all the hype of the "hollow" point.
The ONLY reason I can see to use one is to stop overpenetration.
I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.
I figure anything shot in the head area, and they will never know the difference in the two.

I dunno, that sounds to me like you're relying on the best scenario.
What if it's dark?
What if you're not as accustomed to your weapon as you should be?
What if you find you get the shakes at the most dire moment?
If you can hit the guy in the head, any ammunition will do, so why isn't .22LR the premier defense ammo of choice?
Because, sometimes things don't go your way. Sometimes, you just can't hit the guy in the head. If I can't hit the guy in the head, I'd rather have a hollowpoint than a regular ball. Does that mean you should forgo marksmanship and try and rely solely on your Ultimate Killing Expanding Death Bullet of Doom? No, but hollowpoints are just as effective on the human cranium as ball ammo, so why not use them for the chance that you don't happen to hit it?
 
This question is meaningless. There can be more difference between two types of 9mm JHP's than there is between certain 9mm and .40 JHP's for instance.

Find the combination of the largest caliber that you can handle well, and a gun in that calibre that has the capacity you want, and then review the test reports of that calibre from various manufacturers.

For most people it's a tradeoff. Do I prefer 11-15 rounds of 9mm or 9 rounds of .45? Both rounds are very effective these days if you use a type that has proven performance.

As another poster mentioned, Federal's HST design seems to be the new top dog these days.
 
The most effective round? The one that connects with the target. ;-)
 
My .02 is the new winchester generation of the raner is supposed to be the be all end all. It consistently opens up to over an inch in the 45 cal version. Hard to beat the ranger in any generation
 
All my pistols are loaded with some sort of hollow point. No ball, unless it is a rifle. I use Gold Dots, Federal PD, Fiocci JHP, I still have some PMC Starfires, and of course, the best: Black Talons (remember those?). I do have some Remington +p's, and my favorite out of print 9mm, Hurtenberger 100gr truncated cone +p+ sub gun ammo (works just fine in the Glocks). Saving those for the Al Zombies!
 
I use Federal 230-gr Tactical Bonded in my Taurus PT-145 Millennium Pro, except in the People's Republic of New Jersey, where I carry Federal 200-gr EFMJs.

I wouldn't feel a bit uneasy about carrying Gold Dots, Golden Sabers, or any premium JHP bullet, so long as they are towards the heavy end of the spectrum; 200-230 grains.
 
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I've never bought all the hype of the "hollow" point.
The ONLY reason I can see to use one is to stop over penetration.
I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.
I figure anything shot in the head area, and they will never know the difference in the two.

I dunno, that sounds to me like you're relying on the best scenario.
What if it's dark?
What if you're not as accustomed to your weapon as you should be?
What if you find you get the shakes at the most dire moment?
If you can hit the guy in the head, any ammunition will do, so why isn't .22LR the premier defense ammo of choice?
Because, sometimes things don't go your way. Sometimes, you just can't hit the guy in the head. If I can't hit the guy in the head, I'd rather have a hollowpoint than a regular ball. Does that mean you should forgo marksmanship and try and rely solely on your Ultimate Killing Expanding Death Bullet of Doom? No, but hollowpoints are just as effective on the human cranium as ball ammo, so why not use them for the chance that you don't happen to hit it?

I'll agree with you to some point. Depending on the caliber
the expansion "might" hit more of a vital area. As for shooting in the dark,
I never gave that a thought. I'd retreat to the nearest light source.
But you never know the situation.
 
I think the best hollowpoint is the one that is . . . . .

absolutely 100% reliable in your pistol. Some hollowpoints tend to complicate the reliability issue and I guarantee you that the worst hollowpoint is the one that hangs up on your feedramp. Or the one that stovepipes in your ejection port when you really need a second shot. Terminal ballistics is an interesting discussion assuming everything else goes as planned but the point is moot if you're standing there with a paperweight in your hand. FWIW the only 100% reliable gun I have ever fired with hollowpoints is a revolver.
 
Handguns are for shooting back while retreating to safety (preferably safety & a long gun). Handguns are marginal at best, but they have the great advantage of portability. Find a handgun you shoot comfortably. Practice with it for accuracy and speed. Find what hollowpoints it likes. Load it with whatever hollowpoints that you know are both reliable (hopefully you've tested and know it to be reliable more than one type) and available. If reliability of available hollowpoints is unknown use whatever ball ammo you to be reliable until you can test available hollowpoints. Shot placement is far more important.
 
A hollow point in any of those calibers should do fine.

I've never bought all the hype of the "hollow" point.
The ONLY reason I can see to use one is to stop overpenetration.
I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.
I figure anything shot in the head area, and they will never know the difference in the two.
If a round has enough energy to penetrate deeply enough in the body to hit all the vital organs, why waste it all outside the body? Put that extra energy to use making a wider wound that will bleed more and be more likely to hit a vital area. The last part sounds more like more action hero movie talk than a realistic view of the use of handguns in self defense.
 
TnShooter83 wrote:
I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.
I figure anything shot in the head area, and they will never know the difference in the two.

One other thing to consider in a self defense situation is that you have to be concerned about what is behind your target. If you go for the head you have less mass to hit. If you miss the round could go beyond the target and strike something or someone by accident.

I would always go for the most mass. You can't always trust your dead eye shot. It looks like it's doable in the movies but in a real world, life or death situation I'll go with aiming at the most mass and hope that my hollowpoint is going to stop my attacker in his tracks.

By the way, has anyone used Winchester Ranger Law Enforcement 147 gr hollowpoints. They have a black coating on the hollowpoint and they have a brass cartridge. I came across a box of them but I can't find any more for sale.
 
.357 Sig from Winchester, Ranger version. Picked up a box for test run, shot through phone books into baggies filled with H2O. Went back and bought all they had.
 
Most effective hollowpoint

I have some Taurus 185 gr. HEX 45 ACP loads that have expanded to at least .80 inch when fired into wet pack. It is not a +P load, loaded to just shy of 1000fps and has been 100% reliable in a 1911 and Glock 21.

The CorBon DPX load should be just as good also.
 
It depends on what your gun will eat, but you know that. My S&W M&P 9 has an issue ramping the hydrashocks for some reason, but no problems with the CorBon 115 +P, which shoot true. Whatever you get, make sure your gun will take them and you can shoot them.
 
What autoloader round (in hollowpoint) do you think is most effective for self-defense

The one thats designed to open reliably at it's stated velocity.

I believe that a well placed shot is the key in stopping power.

There are too many documented cases of rds not stopping the aggressor with heart shots, head shots, you name it, and it's been placed there and failed to stop the agressor.

Stopping power is not a result, nor based on where the rd hits, or it's energy, nor its bullet design. None of the above is "reliable" in stopping someone. It's always a crap shoot till it happens.

Brownie
 
All manufacturers say they are the best. From what I've seen used on the human body the best expansion I ever saw was a 40S&W 180gr Gold Dot HP fired from a Glock 22. The round was fired point blank and entered the right side of the skull and you couldn't tell where it exited due to the back half of the head exploding. I've seen 40S&W 180gr HydraShok shot into a suspect at 5 feet and enter on the right side and exit on the left with no expansion. Suspect died at the hospital two days later. I shot a deer once at 50 feet with an AR15 9mm loaded with 147gr Blacktalon and it entered on the left side and exited on the right without expanding. It took care of the lungs which is where I was aiming so it did the job. After all I've seen it's all about shot placement and penetration.
 
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After all I've seen it's all about shot placement and penetration.

Keep in mind that there is an abundance of street data that shows heart shots [ as well as other shots to what should have been a stop ] not "stopping" the assailant/bg even with the heart blown out. It can take up to 20 seconds for the person to bleed out enough to go into shock from lack of blood pressure.

I know of one suspect who ran off some 150 feet or so [ iirc ] with 5 well placed shots to the heart with a duty 357 magnum. Jim Music [ a member here ] was the partner to the officer shooting the 357 and was on scene when it happened.

Thats why I wrote "Stopping power is not a result, nor based on where the rd hits, or it's energy, nor its bullet design. None of the above is "reliable" in stopping someone. It's always a crap shoot till it happens."

There are cases of every rds failing to stop, and also making stops [ stops to me means stopping them from further actions against me right then, not seconds or multiples of seconds later ].

Penetration, yes, there's no question the round has to penetrate and get organs bleeding. Organs are deep for a reason, they are well protected for the most part.

I can probably effect a stop simply by putting multiple rds into multiple organs faster than one or multiple rounds perfectly placed, all to one organ. Thats going to be a good bet for me, as four organs bleeding within tenths of a second apart will drop the blood pressure faster than the ONE organ [ any organ ]damaged.

Shock ocurrs when the BP gets too low. Simply, BP will decrease more rapidly with multiple organs [ that none in and by themselves might effect a stop ordinarily ], bleeding out/damaged.

If adrenaline has been introduced into the bg through some "fight or flight" before the shots hit, all the harder to be sure that penetration and shot placement will be enough to make the stop, and not allow the bg to continue to be a threat for some seconds, minutes or live for days ].

Adrenaline will keep the BP artificially inflated while the bg is bleeding out of organs for even more time than it would normally take. As this is all situationally dependant and individual on a case by case basis, I don't think we can say penetration and shot placement alone will get us through [ though it sure doesn't hurt to have both to begin with :)]

Luck of the draw, some will fall and cease being a threat and others will not with the same shots from the same loads. Multiples of rds COM to different organs, get as many as you can in him as fast as possible, dropping the BP quickly. If you can do that, you are likely to see the best results from stacking the deck [ sorta speak ].

I like the penetration aspect, the rds needs to get to vitals. I like the shot placement as well, but I'm not going to take the time to make some perfect shot, or double tap to the same organ when about to take or taking incoming.

Brownie
 
cogito ergo scattergun. . . . .

actually, yes. A good home defense shotgun solves a great many problems. An expanding bullet design is not relevant to the recipient of a shotgun blast and most shotgun projectiles avoid the overpenetration problem with interior walls. I use one as the first weapon of choice in a home defense situation and rely on the handgun as a backup weapon if needed. It's a side by side 12 guage with the barrels cut back to 18 1/4 inches and is short enough to be quite handy indoors. It also makes a passable club if necessary. My ill tempered dog dislikes being awakened suddenly by midnight intruders and will keep them busy for the few seconds necessary for me to achieve tactical superiority. But I digress, this is the handguns forum. . . . .:rolleyes:
 
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