The 'Nuge opposes war in Iraq?

[Doug444]

Ted Nugent opened for ZZ Top this past Wed. in SLC, and I was there. Even got to shake the man's hand at a local sporting goods store and had him sign my copy of "Kill It and Grill It". From the review of the show in this morning's Trib -

"Adorned in camouflage gear, he acknowledged appreciation of the "spirit of the Utah wild," expressed opposition to the war in Iraq and declared a love for the outdoors, whether it is hunting or just enjoying the land. "

Opposition to the war in Iraq? I saw him put an arrow into the heart of a Saddam effigy, and specifically state support for all of our military. And a lot of other cool, pro-RKBA stuff too (you can guess who he suggested "Kiss My A**" in the song of that title). I dropped a little email note to the reviewer relating to this (she's listed as a secretary on the staff contact page ). Let's see if she replies.

 

[Marko Kloos]

There are plenty of folks who support our troops, but don't agree with the Iraq business. I'm in the same category.

Have we become so simplistic and polarized that we judge someone's entire worth as a human/politician/entertainer/whatever by whether they support the current administration's WoT?

Besides, he's a singer. His political stance should be irrelevant. I dislike the whole "Kauft Nicht Beim Juden" mindset.

 

[Zach S]

There are plenty of folks who support our troops, but don't agree with the Iraq business. I'm in the same category.

PPL like you are far and few between in my area.

 

[Kamicosmos]

I supported the war to oust Saddam, and still support finding Saddam and dealing with him.

However, I don't support the occupation or the US funded rebuilding of Iraq. Why is it our job to repair Iraq? Let their neighbors help, or at worse the UN (without US support, I should add).

So, I have mixed feelings on this whole Iraq deal. Time for our boys (and girls) to come home. Why do they need to die in the streets of Bagdad any longer?

We as citizens don't have to support every single military action our gov't undertakes in order to be loyal and patriotic Americans. I don't think Ted Nuggent is going to start singing at peace rallys or run off to Canada...

 

[CZ 75 BD]

Marko...

Please educate me on the meaning of this German phrase.

"Kauft Nicht Beim Juden"

Thanks

 

[Archer]

The phrase pretty much means "does not deal with the Jew", in modern times, meaning, an Israeli boycott.

In Germanys past this meant something much more sinister. The phrase dates to the mid 1800s.

I know Nugent pretty well. He may not be to everyone's taste, but he's a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. I don't know or particularly care about his feelings on the war.

Saddam must die. Soon.

 

[cordex]

The phrase pretty much means "does not deal with the Jew", in other words, an Israeli boycott.

Or "Don't buy from Jews", and I think it was originally aimed less at Israelis (who didn't exist as a nation at the time) and more at Jews in Germany during Hitler's rise to power.

I welcome correction if I'm wrong.

 

[Archer]

Cordex

Youre quite right, and my comment was being edited just as you posted. Good catch.

 

[AJ Dual]

As a little l libertarian, in therory, I do not support the invasion of Iraq, or U.S. troops being stationed abroad anywhere.

However, from a pragmatic standpoint, since I cannot re-write the past 200 years of American History in an ideal Libertarian fashion where no one would hate the U.S., or wish to attack it as we'd be a gigantic "Switzerland", I support the invasion 100%.

Hope that wasn't complicated. Took me a second try to read that through myself.

 

[Frank P.]

I'm a huge Ted Nugent fan myself, and i was at the Beer Drinkers and Hell raisers tour over this summer. It was quite a show, and i was excited for i have never been to a Ted Nugent concert before and heard that he likes to shoot arrows on stage. He did not fail to do this when he put a few in human sized doll made out to be Saddam. Nugent seemed to be very pro the war, and pro the troops:in fact he said he made a new song just for them and played it i beleive it was "warhogs and devil dog." After the show i bought a T-shirt(of course) and it depicts Nugent leading American soldiers and raising an American flag over a dead Saddam Huessein. All i am saying is that Nugent seems to me to be extremally pro the war and the troops, and seems to me to be the ideal American.

Frank P.

 

[Art Eatman]

I think lots of folks who supported the war in Iraq are starting to think the Administration didn't do all that good a job of planning--or, maybe "anticipating"--the "afterward" aspect. For me, I'm withholding judgement for another half-year or maybe more, even though I can see why some might doubt.

I'd bet, though, that the mediahcrities are focussing on the bad a lot more than on our positive achievements...

Art

 

[seeker_two]

I support the war & the troops, but I think it should have been handled a LOT differently....

1. What's all this about "off-limit targets" (i.e. mosques, hospitals, etc.)? If the enemy's inside, you BLOW IT UP!!!

2. Tikrit & Baghdad should be RUBBLE. This sends an age-old message to the enemy--WE CAN DESTROY YOU COMPLETELY AT ANY TIME WE WANT!!!

3. Why are WE paying for Iraq's rebuilding? We should retain control over the Iraq oil fields for 10 years & use a portion the money earned from the oil sales to rebuild the country--and a portion to REPAY THE USA FOR HAVING TO COME OVER THERE AND LIBERATE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Iraq War: Started out GREAT, but it's petering out d/t management issues...

:banghead:

 

[Jeff Timm]

Many and various people have said,

There are plenty of folks who support our troops, but don't agree with the Iraq business.
I have mixed feelings on this whole Iraq deal.
Time for our boys (and girls) to come home.
Why do they need to die?

We live in a time when moral courage, indeed courage of any sort is actively supressed. People have been programmed to deny personal responsibility for anything.

It's not "Supporting the trooops, BUT..." It's a lack of committment to anything. Don't tell me you support the troops, show me your DD 214.

In my opinion if you weren't willing to put your life on the line for your country, you don't have an opinion. You haven't paid the price of citizenship.

We have thousands of US Citizens dead at the hands of Mid-eastern terrorists. The former government of Iraq paid money for dead US Citizens in Israel, that government is being destroyed. Iraq is attracting terrorists who come to fight the US Armed forces and our allies. This is a wonderful thing, militarily, our Armed forces are being attacked on terms they dictate. We are not fighting in our streets, we are fighting on someone elses, it's been the US way of fighting for most of the last century. We're good at it.

This isn't a TV show people! This is a war. People are dead and more will DIE. Running away and hiding or pretending nothing will happen is no longer an option.

Geoff
Who is getting sick and tired of the "don't DO anything!" attitude.

 

[Bravo11]

I got my DD214. And I support any troop anywhere in the thick of it.
And I have one question: What is the mission?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Why is it our job to repair Iraq?

So that we don't have to turn around and do this again in 10-20 years. Similar to what happened at the end of WWI, which essentially led to the Nazi movement taking power and WWII. Also similar to Gulf War I and Gulf War II. If you don't fix the problem, it just grows another head and comes at you again.

Unfortunately, we have not had to occupy and rebuild a country in almost 60 years, so no one remembers that it is not a simple and quick task. In the wars since WWII, once we got tired of playing, we packed up our toys and went home. Now we have to put a country back on it's feet.

It's amusing that the same people that said we didn't plan enough to such things as the protection of museums or the rapid restoration of electricity, so the looting that occured right after the invasion was our fault. They are now saying we should just pick up and leave, allowing the entire country to fall into chaos. Of course, if we did up and leave, they would complain we caused that chaos.

The president needs to quit rebuilding Iraq in the US media and just do what needs to be done to get the job complete. If that takes blowing up a couple of mosques or other collateral damage, so be it. No one in the press or democratic party is going to agree with anything he does, much less actually say he did a good job, so he needs to ignore them and do the job.

 

[Kamicosmos]

Jeff Timm wrote:

Don't tell me you support the troops, show me your DD 214.
In my opinion if you weren't willing to put your life on the line for your country, you don't have an opinion. You haven't paid the price of citizenship.

That's awful nice of you. Maybe I can't have a DD214 for physical or medical reasons. I'm less of a citizen than you because of that?

Also, a personal issue of mine, I feel all combat veterans shouldn't have to pay any income or social security taxes. And Yes, I as a non combat veteran, would gladly have my taxes bumped up a bit to compensate the gov't on that.

I have had relatives in every American War dating back to the Revolution. My brother is currently on Standby status in the USMC waiting deployment to Iraq.

If they would have taken me, I would go.

Don't assume that because someone isn't a military vet, it's because they are peace loving communist hippies....

 

[Bravo11]

Ok, I'll go along with the rebuild Iraq but why can't the funds be taken from the Iraqi oil revenues? (the $87 billion)

 

[Lancel]

... support our troops, but don't agree with the Iraq business.

Failure to support the troops' business is failure to support the troops.

Public opposition to a conflict hardens the enemy resolve and lengthens the conflict. More troops die.

Larry

 

[bountyhunter]

It's not "Supporting the trooops, BUT..." It's a lack of committment to anything. Don't tell me you support the troops, show me your DD 214.

Not trying to start a flame war, but that is just pure BS. I'm one of those who fully supports our troops, I'm married to one of them. I do not support the war because it was done for false reasons and not in the best interests of this country.

There are four star generals who spoke out against Bush's actions as well as a ton of retired military from three different wars at the so-called "peace" rallies.

In my family, my father gave 33 years to service and we lived the crappy life that goes along with that. I've spoken twice at Arlington services and I don't want anybody else to have to.

You want committment? I am committed to making sure that people find out what is really going on. If you want to hear the other side of the question, hear it from the man who was right there:


http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16794

 

[MicroBalrog]

Don't tell me you support the troops, show me your DD 214.

Will a Tzav Gius do?

 

[VOD]

I originally read this thread, then passed on responding. I actually figured it'd be closed before I got around to it. But, as I sit here watching football, I'm finding that it's gotten under my skin and I can't avoid it anymore. So, risking putting my foot in my mouth, here goes...

First, my DD214 is available for review if anyone wishes to do so. However, when I raised my right hand in '83, I said I'd defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The Constitution says nothing about requiring any service, public or military, before my opinion will "count". As a citizen, I have to right to tell them what I think, regardlessof my past military service (or lack of).

Yes, thousands of Americans died at the hands of Middle Eastern criminals. "Terrorist" is just a glamorous word for thug. Yet, I wonder how different it would have been if those airplanes weren't declared to be "victim disarmament zones" by our own government, who we are being told we should blindly follow yet again. I'd like to think that if just a couple of people were able to mount a credible defense, we'd have 19 smudges on airliner carpets instead of a smoking hole in Manhattan. And, back to our Middle Eastern subjects, from what I've seen, the person that ordered the attack was not Iraqi, but Saudi...Osama did order this, right? Osama's related to the Saudi royal family, right? Where's the smoking hole in Riyadh?

Yeah, Saddam probably had helped with some training. However, the Taliban, who we've pretty much cleaned up, had a larger hand in their training...and we trained them (the Taliban) when the enemy was the Soviet Union. Anyone else think that if we'd have not stuck our noses in there that things might be different?

And, while we're on the subject, if we're a "nation of laws", why is it we haven't seen the evidence to condemn Saddam? Maybe it was stashed with the weapons of mass destruction? If they had evidence, trot it out. It might have helped sway everyone else to help. Instead, we're on the hook pretty much on our own.

As has been noted here, we can't rewrite the last 200 years of American history to keep up from kicking over all of the anthills we've kicked over in the past. However, we can start from right now. If you attack me, I cut your head off and put it on a pike. Then I bury you in a bacon-lined coffin, on a hog farm. However, I will NOT go out looking for a fight. So, I will support our troops, and celebrate when they come home at last. But I will NOT stand by quietly while our government wastes their lives on fools errands.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

why is it we haven't seen the evidence to condemn Saddam?

Think maybe the scenes of Iraqis digging through mass graves trying to locate their missing loved ones just might be considered as evidence? Think violation of the cease fire agreement from the Gulf War might be considered evidence?

The simple fact he was giving money to the family of any idiot that strapped a bomb to their body and blew up some innocent civilians in Israel is plenty of evidence to warrant death as far as I'm concerned.

 

[larryw]

Based on Nuge's commentary in his magazine (Join TNUSA!), I don't think its a stretch to say he's a strong supporter of both the war and ongoing effort: don't for a second believe any of the filtered info you get from the Liberal media.

Why are we rebuilding Iraq? To stabilize the region. Notice how well behaved Iran, Syria, Libya, and even the Saudis have been? Imagine what a secular democracy will do to the middle east (look to events in Iran for the answer).

Why don't we use the oil proceeds? Because if we count on that to fund the effort, one idiot with C4 can blast the effort to a halt. If its already funded, oil revenues are a bonus and remove one reason to blow up the lines (again).

Gee, last 12 months had the lowest number of terrorist incidents in over 30 years. Anyone read that fact in the NYT?

Some really need to spend time listening to Rush and reading honest assessments of the situation.

 

[goon]

I sort of supported the war at the beginning. It seemed that the administration was pushing very hard for an invasion. I realize that they can't tell the public everything, so I figured that there was something more going on and that there was justification.
That is what I get for trusting the government.
Now things are worse. It looks as though we are saying we are going to rebuild Iraq, but we don't seem to be doing it. What is really going on?
Why can't we just get the lights and the water going again and get the hell out?
It seems like they didn't have a plan for what they were going to do after they took Iraq.
And another thing; Where are all those weapons that we went in because of?
Don't get me wrong. I have no love for Saddam. He deserved to get alot worse than he has gotten and I hope he does. But getting rid of a evil guy wasn't what sold the idea. It was the WMDs.
So where are they?
FWIW, I have a DD-214 as well, but that is irrelevant. In this country, everyone has a voice, not just veterans.
I once supported Bush.
That was foolish on my part.

 

[Lancel]

Ground confrontation with Iraq has been inevitable since 1991 not just since 2001. The previous administration tried the easy way with air war and cruise missiles; they didn't work.

War destroys things and makes messes of lives. Even brief wars require time to rebuild buildings, hearts, and minds.

Defending and then building a democracy in the mideast is not as quick as fast food drive-though. But the eventual rewards in stability to a violent region would be good for all.

Larry