The Perazzi Guy.....

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Dave McCracken

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We were leaning on the fence behind the Wobble range at PGC, waiting on the trap to be reloaded. I had seen him a few times before, but this was the first time we had shot one on one. My TB was racked next to the two Perazzis he had out.

Zane's an older shooter about my age, and he was neatly dressed with a good vest over a sweater and shiny shoes.

My fashion statement was Early Lumberjack, wool from head to foot and finished off with Beaners. It was quite cold but I was warm enough to shoot without gloves.

We admired each other's guns. The TB is quite pretty, with sumptious wood. His Perazzis, were plain models but nicely stocked and with the lines one expects from a maker whose prices start well into 5 figures.

Zane stated he had a pigeon shoot coming up and wanted to see which shotgun was working best for him. One MX 12 and an MX8, IIRC. I know MX stands for Mexico City, where P-guns first took an Olympic medal and that Dan Bonillas had some input in their design, but that's about it.

I can ID a pumpgun half a football field away, but O/Us require much closer inspection, often close enough to read the name.

We shot a round then, and Zane crushed the birds. I hit 21/25, shooting from low gun. After Zane switched guns, we shot again. This time, there were a few less smokes according to Zane, but he still came close to running them. And like pigeon shooters need to do, he took them close. Good shooting by my lights.

After racking the guns, Zane said he had one more to try, and headed back to his vehicle. He returned with one VERY pretty Perazzi.

Ever hear of Angelo Bee? He was one of the best engravers ever. This was a Bee job, with 8 game birds in gold on the receiver and banknote scrolls on everything. Tiny little nicks on the birds simulated feathering that looked real. I put my readers on to check,and this was a class A job.Wood was marblecake walnut, of course. Lethal art.

Zane said this was a skeet gun he hadn't shot for a long time, and never with the 12 gauge barrels on. Inference, there were barrels in 20 and 28 gauge and 410 bore.

Then, he asked with a grin if I'd like to try a shot or two. Heck yes.

So, I stood there with his Perazzi and busted three birds in a row before handing it back to him with gratitude. Got on them fast and the skeet choke wasn't much of a handicap. It handled like the TB. Zane tried out the TB and said the same thing. Go figure...

We were then joined by two of the Geezer Squad, met by happenstance. The guns on the line included a Parker 20 gauge made in 1938 and engraved nicely and Al Clark's Model 21, a class act SXS indeed. We shot some more, with the variations on wobble mentioned here before, like two shots on each bird if wanted, (Full Use of the gun). Much fun ensued before I had to head back home.

While driving home, I fell to musing. How many folks get handed a shotgun to try out by a casual acquaintance that cost more than the vehicle I was driving?

Chalk it up to luck or Karma.....
 
:cool:

Yes, I too have been handed a fine shotgun worth a lot of money.
I find the folks that have such guns are great folks, willing to learn from others and will share what they know, their guns, ammo and sodas from a ice chest -or coffee from a Thermos.

These folks appreciate firearms. Not all they own are "expensive" - they do have taste and a eye for craftsmanship.

They will put the Perazzi , Kreighoff away and shoot with a Model 12, or Model 42. Bring out that old 870 , or SX1.

I exchanged my SX1 to a fellow whom handed me his Perazzi in return down in FL once. Next day he showed up with Win Custom Shop SX1 and a Field grade SX1. " Dunno why I don't shoot these more often...I appreciate the reminding"

We grinned and paired up for two a man team of Flurries then Crazy Quail.
We then broke out his Model 12's ,in 28 ga.- One a Custom Shop , the other a Field model and played the 5 stand short course.

" I remember now...I'm past old age, being a Geriatric and all I hate picking up hulls" :D

I figure being 80 he had picked up his share of hulls over the years - his shooting skills confirmed it. ;)
 
But wait a minute...

I thought people with high cost guns were little more than standoffish rubes who spent too much and can't shoot worth a darn. :rolleyes:
 
I thought people with high cost guns were little more than standoffish rubes who spent too much and can't shoot worth a darn.

I think the guys who have truly made the grade are relaxed and don't have attitudes. The social climbers are the ones who are standoffish. JMTC
 
I think the guys who have truly made the grade are relaxed and don't have attitudes. The social climbers are the ones who are standoffish.

I think that some people are genuinely nice. Some people are jerks. Some of the nice people have nice guns. So do some of the jerks. Unfortunately, it seems like the gun becomes a focal point for the owner's behavior. I appreciate Dave sharing this experience, since if I had a dollar for every overly-smug "I used my 870 Express and outshot the snob with the $$$$-gun" story around here, then I could afford a Krieghoff or Perazzi of my own.
 
It seems that in trap shooting, for every anal retentive jackass you meet you will meet nine super people that are a pleasure to know.

I spent almost 8 months shooting with rental guns and making a pest of myself at the trap club asking other shooters about their guns in order to make a decision on which trap gun I wanted to buy. One day last summer, after a round of shooting with a rental BT99 (that didn't fit and hit my face like an angry Bruce Lee), I started chatting with an older gent who was cleaning his Citori. After offering his opinion on various brands of shotguns, he picked up the Citori, a half-box of shells and said "Come on, let's see how you shoot it." I had run into this kind of generosity before so I wasn't taken completely aback like I had been the first time someone had done this and went with him out to the trap line.

After a playing around with the Citori for a few minutes, he motioned to a couple of his friends to come over and soon I was in the midst of 4 trap shooters who were *insisting* that I try each of their guns to see which one I liked best. After all was said and done I announced that I liked gun #3 the best because it handled like it was part of me even though it had been fitted for someone shorter and stouter and all the dimensions were off. It was still the best by far. This brought laughter all around and my new friend said "Yup, you have good taste. That Kreighoff probably cost as much as all these other guns put together."

Where else but among shooters are you going to find a guy who will trust a complete newbie/stranger with a gun that cost him somewhere around 10 grand?

Uh, no, in the end I didn't buy a Krieghoff. I bought an SKB. C'est la vie.
 
Great post Dave.

I've got to agree with TrapperReady: there have been so many posts ragging on any shotgun more expensive than an 870 here lately that I just stopped reading them all together.

"Snobbery" goes both ways. Constantly counting how many 870s you can buy for some other fellows O/U isn't the high road, demonizing P and K gun owners isn't the high road, and perpetuating the stereotype of guys with nice guns always being jerks isn't the high road.

I have two 870s, and I love them. But does that mean I shouldn't have got my 3200 because I could have got a few 870s for the same price???

Dave's post was really refreshing, and has drawn me back into the shotgun forum. And TrapperReady, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the annoying trend of "I Beat the Krieghoff Shooter with my 870" threads.

There is alot of great information on this board, and alot of great guys to offer advice and opinions - I just hate it when some people's opinions involve slamming others and their choice of guns.
 
Well once at Wednesday night skeet I kicked a Perazzi owner all over the skeet field with my rifled sighted 20" 870 Remington. The entire squad showed no mercy with their razzing of the Perazzi owner when the 870 came out best.

The Perazzi owner took it well. He had to. I'm the Perazzi owner. Shot a pair of 22s with the P-gun and then followed up with 23 and 24 with the 870. Talk about your humiliation. :D

Paul
 
Thanks, folks. A couple things.....

I don't dump on anyone's choice of shotguns, including Benellis and ChiCom clone guns. I don't claim to have all the answers to all things Shotgun either.

I do like 870s and regard them as the best deal for the money. But, like any other shotgun including Perazzis with gold birds slathered on them, they don't make any of my body parts larger or shoot the target by themselves.

I do have a problem dealing with jerks. Luckily, I meet few of them on a shotgun range. When I do meet them, I like to outshoot them, fits my sense of rightness.

In 4 years and maybe 10K posts, I've mentioned running into jerks a handful to times. It happens the jerks all had upscale shotguns. For every jerk with a Ljutic, Kreggie, Purdey or Kolar, I've met scores of folks with similar guns I'm glad to have met and would be proud to call friends.

And I know a triple chrome plated, industrial strength SOB with more 870s than I have.

I'm of the opinion that the self discipline needed to properly control the shot causes folks to grow a bit and be less inclined to act like the denizens of a kindergarden sandbox just before naptime.

Shotgunning IS a Martial Art and builds character when done properly.

Most folks with high dollar shotguns have a heavy committment to shooting them, at least the ones I know.

And the handful of REALLY good shooters I've known including Hall Of Famers and State Champions have ALL been good folks and helpful as a bunch of Eagle Scouts.

Take Big G's statement about those who've made the grade as Gospel.
 
Fred C. Etchen who was a big champion in shotgunning favored the 870, IIRC. That was a few decades ago, but it shows the gun is not the total answer. The man behind the gun is.
 
TrapperReady and Matthew have hit on something important here Dave - I had stopped reading this forum on any more than a weekly basis after the answer to almost any question became "870", and any mention of any other higher-end gun (term used loosely!) typically degenerated into a "yeah, but I beat some guy shooting a ______ at ______ using nothing more than my trusty HD model pumpgun". 870's and their brethren are wonderful guns, but the cult of personality that has been created on this forum around them tends to stifle discussion at times.

With regard to jerks met while shooting, it may be partially related to your choice of shooting games rather than the gun - I have unfortunately met more jerks shooting trap and skeet than I ever have shooting sporting clays. This may be due to the fast-moving, regimented nature of trap/skeet shooting - the camaraderie in SC is often an occurence of walking from station to station and chatting with your squadmates.

The great thing about this forum is the involvement of people like you, which helps keep the jerk/troll factor to a minimum, unlike the forums at shotgunworld and shotgunsports...
 
I don't dump on anyone's choice of shotguns, including Benellis and ChiCom clone guns. I don't claim to have all the answers to all things Shotgun either.

Thats a great attitude to have hands down. I couldn't agree with you more on that one.
 
BigG, it was Rudy Etchen, Fred's son, who took the 870 to the highest level of competition and kicked butt with it. He shot a 100 straight in trap doubles in 1950 with a brand new 870 and repeated that at intervals until 1987 or so with the same 870. He owned and operated other guns, including bespoke Purdeys and some small gauge Parkers. Given any good shotgun, he was deadly. He preferred 870s for most work and so do I.

45R, glad you like it.

Spider, one answer to almost any shotgun question IS an 870. It's the SAK of shotguns, lasts longer than we will and costs less than a week's pay for Joe Average.

But even a dedicated and unabashed 870 fan like me has to admit they are not the only good'un out there. I like most shotguns, and if discretionary income wasn't such an issue, I'd have some doubles of both types and maybe an auto or two.

Till that glorious day, I'll have lots of fun with my 870s.

As far as jerks go, I've run across a few while shooting SC, more than trap or skeet. Still not the majority nor a large minority.

Meantime, I'll try to restrain my enthusiasm for the 870, wouldn't want to offput too many folks......
 
Hey now!

I said:

I have two 870s, and I love them.

I'm not trying to get people restrain enthusiasm for 870s, just to not dump all over people for choosing a more expensive gun. I don't even really mind these stories, I like it when somebody beats a snob by focusing on the targets and not the grade of the gun. What I don't like is the enthusiasm for rubbing it a shooters face who chose a different gun, or making these faces -> :neener: . That's a brand of snobbery all it's own.

I also agree: 870 IS the answer to alot of shotgun questions. I feel an twinge of pain when somebody is pressured into buying an O/U for trap, just to fit in with the other guy's action types. In many cases, an 870 is a better choice.

And for the record, I shoot my 870 better than my 3200 (so far, I've only got about 300 rounds through it). Plus, you don't have to send in 870s for "updates". Don't let that stop you from getting a 3200 though!
 
There is no reason to put off enthusiasm for any gun. I actually like to see people enthusiastic about their gun, you just feel good about it as much as they do :)

I dont think anybody would be put off by enthusiasm unless it gets petty, but that doesn't happen on THR too much. At least not in any recent posts I've seen.
 
Last time I went out to shoot sporting clays a guy flew in and landed in his own helicopter. I took a guess that he owned some nice shotguns which the rangemaster confirmed.
 
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