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The Plan.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by LivewireBlanco, Jan 16, 2013.

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  1. LivewireBlanco

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  2. Buck Kramer

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    I think the GOP has to pass something or loose majority in two years. I HATE that idea, but the GOP has a hard fight as is. They can prevent it for two years, or agree with it now. It's sad, but that's what it boils down to.
     
  3. vtbluegrass

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    Giving in is the worst idea ever. I say keep up the fight to keep AWB of any form from passing. If they cave now losing the majority is a given considering many of their own constituents won't vote for them again either. Write weekly to your representative. Write a hand written letter at least once to show you are serious enough to spend more than 30 seconds forwarding a form letter. Become active in a local shooting club take people who are fence sitters shooting. Blasting away at water jugs and maybe a little tannerite to end the day in my experience is a conversion experience for the uninitiated.

    What I am saying is I am not prepared to give in and I hope more people feel the same.
     
  4. tyeo098

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    Call your rep and say that if they vote for ANY legislation restricting the right of the people to keep and bear arms, you will work FEVERISHLY to have them replaced with someone that wont.

    CALL THEM.
     
  5. Texan Scott

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    ^^^ THIS. Tell your Congresscritters that if they're worried about losing their seats in 2014, they'd better worry about US! If they don't compromise on gun control, they MIGHT lose seats in 2014; if they DO compromise on our 2A rights, they WILL lose in 2014, because WE WILL VOTE THEM OUT OURSELVES!
     
  6. larryh1108

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    I totally disagree with this statement. I feel that gun friendly people outnumber the antis. Up until now I feel many were just ambivalent. They never really thought about the rights they had, they just went out and bought a gun when they became fashionable. Now, states like NY are trying to take away their new found toy and they don't like it one bit. I feel that the pro gun crowd will come out stronger and harder than ever before with their votes. I think whoever votes against gun rights will pay with their job when it's election time. They saw that happen in the '94 ban. It really happened. The old timers don't forget. It will happen again.
     
  7. wingman

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    Write your representatives and join the NRA or other 2nd amendment organizations, if all gun owners would get on the NRA membership list congress would take notice, money = power.
     
  8. Wolfman131

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    I do, yes! Just remember two things, Obamacare was dead, thats why the miracle that was "Scott Brown" occurred in MA, he was elected to STOP Obamacare!

    Today, despite a dozen different proclamtions that Obamacare was dead, its the law of the land, with the full cachet of the SCOTUS backing it up, and "uhh" Scott Brown was ditched in MA, despite his female opponent being caught red handed in a huge lie about her ethnicity! Don't fool yourselves, other psychotic youths will be murdering their helpless peers in schoolhouse massacres, you can be assured of this taking place, when it does, they will be there ready to pounce.

    Lastly, the midterms are just around the corner, too far off for the average American attention span yes, but just 20-months away nonetheless. The odds are strong that the marxist political party will be handed back their super majorities in both houses, I'd say its an absolute certainty they get them back, for reasons that I am not allowed to illuminate in this particular PC environment. If that happens, be sure to remember all of the staunch gun owners who insisted on universal nics not being registration, or the gateway to registration, and confiscation.
     
  9. Cosmoline

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    They clearly HAVE no plan. When this golden opportunity presented itself, the grabbers were running all over the place advocating everything from mass confiscation to NICS expansion. And Biden's proposals are more of the same. You can convince yourself about secret Marxist cabals or whatever, but don't overpay for AR's.
     
  10. Wolfman131

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    Think so? Maybe, but I'm of a different opinion. I think that the plan has been accomplished, in great part. The plan was nullification of the individual freedom to purchase a firearm, without the invasive presence of the state brokering the transaction, and documenting it.

    Right now, I'd say that its a done deal, universal nics, my belief is that, that was the plan.
     
  11. Kim

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    BUCK has it all wrong. If the Republicians pass AWB they will be a dead party.
     
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    Cosmoline, I think you are correct. I don't think they had any kind of plan, based on the Obama's performance today.

    Almost nothing he brought up today has anything to do with the issue, clearly just executing his/their anti-gun agenda.

    I mean really NY? That two round reduction is going to protect the kids?
     
  13. Cosmoline

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    If they had been smart they would have focused like a laser on NICS expansion, and disavowed any AWB or other gun grab. Then Obama could have said I will not touch any firearm, bullet, or your right to buy them lawfully. But it strikes me the anti-gun movement is really not very well put together. They've got a mix of ancient blue hairs who really have an emotional problem with EBR's and would never be willing to shut up about them. And they've got a lot of soccer moms who want "something done" but aren't clear on specifics because they don't really know anything about firearms. A few old Fudds may be willing to break ranks to toddle over and yammer about how no hunter would need one a dem black rifles, but they're far fewer in number now than they were 20 years ago, and none of them own major firearm companies now (clears throat). The astonishing sales figures tend to confirm the AR has become America's Rifle. That's tough to fight. I'd be much more worried about defections if they were looking exclusively to expand NICS. And ironically NICS itself, with the hard data it provides, has helped us show how popular the AR's are. Even our Dear Leader has heard of the figures, and blames them on the fear mongers at the NRA of course.

    In the long term, I suspect we may well see a more focused effort on NICS expansion. But the Hill is already gearing up for yet another budget cliff fight and I don't see anything like that coming out of the process. Signing the raft of EO's has basically been flipping off the House.
     
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    I submit that the GOP will have a problem if they back this crap in any way, shape or form. Most of the left/right ideological bs only serves to keep us all divided, but this is one of those core issues that unites people from across the faux political lines. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, the friend of my enemy is my enemy applies.
     
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    I believe "they" have a plan, it just hasn't been revealed. What we've seen so far is reconnaissance. What gun owners have so far is a stall in Illinois due to American style democracy and a loss in New York as the bill was railroaded through. The antis are seeing what works and how. That is why Fienstien didn't introduce her bill when it was first advertised. What Obama presented today was just to get a feel for the fall-out and how hard of a fight they have ahead of them.
     
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    I agree, mokin. Politicians are playing politics.... something they are good at. They are looking for the chink in the armor while wasting the resources of the NRA with state battles. State-by-state until they feel they have enough support to go national. They didn't come to this gunfight with a knife, that's for sure.
     
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    This.

    News ran a story about Wal-Mart selling 'assault weapons' and my mom shouts from the other room, "WALMART SELLS ASSAULT WEAPONS?!?!"
    I responded: "Do you even know what an assault weapon is?"
    She replied: "No.."
     
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    Is that it? I wondered. I check Wiki every day, but it hasn't changed yet.

    Born Dianne Emiel Goldman
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    San Francisco, California
     
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    Why do you think that passing something would be better for the republicans than NOT passing something?

    Congress won't pass it. The senate won't floor it until about ten o'clock next summer. This is the White House punting.
     
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    They won't pass anything. It won't even come to a vote. Harry Reid in the Senate won't even touch it.

    All Obama has is his virtually meaningless executive orders. He can get some headlines saying he signed 23 orders and proposed these bans and regulations. But that's it. Nothing is coming of this, at least not in this current Congress. And with Obama not on the ticket in the off year '14 election, I think it's a good bet the GOP will win even more seats then.

    We still need to be vocal and active but I have no fears any ban will pass nationally anytime soon.
     
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    the last time an "assault weapon" ban was passed it cost Democrats their majority in both houses.

    I can not disagree more that R's win anything by capitulating with the Marxists.
     
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    The writing is on the wall. NYS started it. One-by-one the blue states will pass laws like New York did. They'll waste the NRA's money fighting each state instead of a national bill. When (if) they get both the house and the senate their way, plus the SCOTUS, they will push thru their agenda nationally. Our rights have been here for well over 200 years. They will try to dismantle it one state at a time, one year at a time. When one state falls, we all fall.

    How many blue states will push thru the NY laws before we get our first day in court? How many before it gets to the Supreme Court? How many of us will lose our rights before we can fight back in the courts? Then we'll accept their versions of gun control. They cut the mags to 7 rounds and in a year or two we accept 10. They make AR's with two cosmetic features illegal and in two years we'll accept registration and tax stamps. They'll push thru unreasonable laws and then roll them back just a bit to appease the courts as a "compromise". We have to see this now, not when it is happening. If you think Obama is giving up because he doesn't have the votes today, think again. He is as shifty as they come and he wants his way no matter how long it takes.
     
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    I sure hope you're right. The thing that has me most concerned, is how they rammed Obamacare through, against all the odds. Then they went in front of the SCOTUS with nothing, a slam dunk of a loss, and "surprise surprise" we now have socialized medicine, and an entire new bureaucracy with which to contend.

    Somebody over there knows what they are doing.
     
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    I'm sorry, but thats premature, it was just reported this evening on "Special Report with Brett Bayer" that Reid has agreed to table it in the senate, early this year!
     
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    Obama doesn't want to do this at all. Not because he likes guns. Far from it. He doesn't want to waste political capital on it. If he uses all of his arm twists, favors, and guilt trips now, he won't have them for things he wants much, MUCH more. He wants it to go away.
     
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