noose, I am right behind you, trying to line up our retirement spot in another state. Everything is exactly as you describe it. I just hope folks will be kind, as we want to blend in and not project even the slightest minuscule hint of where we are escaping from. On our final car drive to freedom, we are going to deposit the license plates in the nearest trash can and be done with it. Can't wait for it to happen!
CA bill would ban all semi-auto rifles with detachable mags
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AlexanderA
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The problem in California is that a few urban centers skew the politics of the whole state. You'll find that the same thing is true in most, if not all, of the "antigun" states. Chicago skews Illinois, NYC skews the state of New York, Baltimore and the DC suburbs skew Maryland, etc. Hardly anyplace has antigun sentiments statewide.
AlexanderA said:
Precisely. I live in the California-occupied portion of the State of Jefferson, and I wish every day that it was a real state instead of a notional one.
madsend81
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One of the recent changes to the AWB bill is they removed the language including rimfires. So the 10/22's, Marlin 795's and the AR's chambered for 22lr will not be affected (this time around).
rromeo
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The only reason they removed .22 rimfire rifles from the bill is to try to gather support from casual gun owners. "See Larry, we don't really want to ban the rifle you and your son shoot pop cans with, just the real assault weapons. We need your support. "
They are good at divide and conquer.
They are good at divide and conquer.
While the notion of the State of Jefferson seems appealing now, consider that one of the primary reasons for it back when the movement started was the locals wanted to log it on a massive scale the state of California wouldn't allow.
They essentially wanted to exploit all the limited resources as rapidly as possible, which would have been a major boom, until the bust some years down the road, with lousy land left over afterwards.
The beauty of that area would probably be non-esistant at this point and lacking all the forests and wilderness residents enjoy.
As for the impact of all this legislation, I have seen a major shift in a larger percentage of people in recent years.
A growing percent of gun owners' eyes gloss over when I try to tell them why a gun is not legal with a pistol grip and that removeable magazine, or how they can't use a magazine over 10 rounds in that bullet buttoned affixed rifle. Or with those planning to claim they have grandfathered 11+ round magazines using magazines that were banned before they were old enough to own a gun. Young 20 somethings with 30 round magazines and drums, they clearly acquired for thier new gun more recently.
The laws have become so onerous and tedious the once almost extensively lawful gun owning crowd is changing.
I have not reached that point myself, but I see it more and more in others.
In fact I get the impression that the extensively state heavy laws are causing a percentage to give up on many gun laws altogether, and as a result have less respect for federal ones as well.
It is different to have many doing what are certainly felonies on a large scale.
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I see that as a dangerous situation, one where the government can keep people under control under threat of arrest.Zoogster said:
IE, you may not want to go to a protest, because if things get ugly and they start arresting people, you might have a book and release, charges dropped, turn into book and charge with a number of gun related felonies. But stay home, and don't make noise, and they won't bother you.
wally
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Dwarfed by the number of dope possession felonies in California going un-prosecuted, I'd wager.
Carl N. Brown
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Since the 1890s, semi-auto designs have become state-of-the-art for all purposes and detachable box magazines are quite frankly a safety feature allowing quick and safe unloading (remove the magazine, eject any round in the firing chamber, you're safely unloaded), compared to systems that can require working all rounds through the firing chamber as you unload the gun (I love my 336 and 1892 but unloading six or ten unfired rounds can be slow and requires a feeding motion for each round).
Feinstein and Bloomberg have publically stated that if they could get the votes, all guns in the U.S. would be confiscated. Politicians in places like New York and California want to ban all firearms, but they can not do so legally. What they can do legally is start to ban every little feature that they can think of. They aren't stupid or naive and they know exactly how firearms work. It's all by design...
Every time I hear about one of these bills, I always hear progunners complain about how stupid and pointless banning magazines sizes, collapsible stocks, vertical grips, etc will be in stopping gun crimes. What you all aren't noticing is that they aren't banning these items to try and stop gun deaths or to keep guns about of the hands of criminals like they say, but rather to try to slowly chip away at are right to own guns using back door tactics.
Every time I hear about one of these bills, I always hear progunners complain about how stupid and pointless banning magazines sizes, collapsible stocks, vertical grips, etc will be in stopping gun crimes. What you all aren't noticing is that they aren't banning these items to try and stop gun deaths or to keep guns about of the hands of criminals like they say, but rather to try to slowly chip away at are right to own guns using back door tactics.
Zoogster said:
This area has already been logged on a massive scale. The "forests and wilderness" around here is virtually all second growth, and a responsible and balanced approach to resource management is possible. The State of Jefferson was a movement for local control of an area that is severely disconnected in terms of politics and values from the capitols of Salem and Sacramento. The locals do argue over guns/logging/fishing etc. but that is very different from being dictated to by Sacramento.
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"The beauty of that area would probably be non-existent at this point and lacking all the forests and wilderness residents enjoy."
You don't mean the same residents who desperately needed logging jobs, and ended up leaving the area to seek employment working "lousy land" elsewhere, do you? Or do you mean the moneyed folks who visit resort homes there a few weeks a year? Sorry to pile on, but this mentality irks me (I grew up in Washington state where every dang decision has to tip-toe around the stupid salmon everyone worships
). Alpine back country isn't particularly conducive to making a living if you don't exploit its resources. Logging offered a reliable way for the people there to rise above subsistence and better their lot in life. Look to the job situation across the rest of the Cascades to see how poor a substitute eco-tourism is for a real economy.
The Wikipedia article on the place is actually quite interesting, even more so because I grew up fairly close to this area and never heard a dang thing about it in the public schools. It was a grand idea doomed by glory-hogging idiots and bad timing (rifle-brandishing patriots making loud proclamations and Pearl Harbor, respectively). Something that gun-rights agitators should really keep in mind. Fundamentally, we scare the anti's, so we must always tread wisely. We won't win by aggression--they would only prove our arguments by defending themselves vigorously. Things worked out for the Jeffersonians in that they were able to roll themselves back into "the fold" by vigorously supporting the Allied effort in WWII--all was forgiven (more or less). Had they retreated to a bunker or accosted a National Guard depot...
I also wonder if the Jeffersonians knew what they were getting themselves into seeing as there's an awful lot of Federal land out there (*permitted for logging*), and they were basically going to seize it as their own...you don't want to mess with Uncle Sam's wallet.
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You don't mean the same residents who desperately needed logging jobs, and ended up leaving the area to seek employment working "lousy land" elsewhere, do you? Or do you mean the moneyed folks who visit resort homes there a few weeks a year? Sorry to pile on, but this mentality irks me (I grew up in Washington state where every dang decision has to tip-toe around the stupid salmon everyone worships
). Alpine back country isn't particularly conducive to making a living if you don't exploit its resources. Logging offered a reliable way for the people there to rise above subsistence and better their lot in life. Look to the job situation across the rest of the Cascades to see how poor a substitute eco-tourism is for a real economy.The Wikipedia article on the place is actually quite interesting, even more so because I grew up fairly close to this area and never heard a dang thing about it in the public schools
. It was a grand idea doomed by glory-hogging idiots and bad timing (rifle-brandishing patriots making loud proclamations and Pearl Harbor, respectively). Something that gun-rights agitators should really keep in mind. Fundamentally, we scare the anti's, so we must always tread wisely. We won't win by aggression--they would only prove our arguments by defending themselves vigorously. Things worked out for the Jeffersonians in that they were able to roll themselves back into "the fold" by vigorously supporting the Allied effort in WWII--all was forgiven (more or less). Had they retreated to a bunker or accosted a National Guard depot...I also wonder if the Jeffersonians knew what they were getting themselves into seeing as there's an awful lot of Federal land out there (*permitted for logging*), and they were basically going to seize it as their own...you don't want to mess with Uncle Sam's wallet
.TCB
nulook45
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Why don't you poor folks living in that comunist state just tell them to F>O and pack up and move the loss of income would be staggering to the state . no more tax income from the millions that move out same thing goes with bussiness too colorado is learning the hard way vote with your taxes and your money and DEFUND california , they cant pay the police to arrest anyone what are they going to do ?????
Why don't you poor folks living in that comunist state just tell them to F>O and pack up and move the loss of income would be staggering to the state . no more tax income from the millions that move out same thing goes with bussiness too colorado is learning the hard way vote with your taxes and your money and DEFUND california , they cant pay the police to arrest anyone what are they going to do ?????
grubbylabs
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I can't tell you how happy I am not to live in California any more. I grew up their and left as soon as possible.
I don't think I can say I will never go back, but if I do, it will be against my will.
I don't think I can say I will never go back, but if I do, it will be against my will.
As a nation we cannot afford to abandon whole states, especially one as influential as California, to the antis. Demographic trends of immigration and urbanization are eventually going to bring this fight to the so-called free states, just look at the Californization of Colorado. The time to stand and fight in places like New York and California is now.
wally
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Texas would say what we said to Santa Ana -- "Come And Take It"
Could be the start of something big, put up or shut up time for the Constitution and the Second Amendment!
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