The post about the Middle-Easterners and "terrorism" in general...

[shotgunner]

I'm so tired of hearing about terrorism, terrorists, and Al-Queda. It's becoming monotonous and almost... scripted. What did he just say?!?! How dare he?!?!

First of all let me say this about myself. I'm a God-fearing, Constitution-upholding, conservative PATRIOT! Yes, I'm a right-winger....

We're all being lied to. Plain and simple. Nothing you hear or see on the news about terrorism is true. It's a scare tactic being used to make American citizens agree with this so-called war on terrorism. The war is about oil and nothing but oil...
If the war was about liberating countries and democracy, then why aren't our troops in Africa where over 10,000 men, women, and children were slaughtered not more than 2 months ago?

The Mousaui trial. Nothing but a patsy. Here's the evidence against him. On September 11th, his passport was found at the World Trade Centers. Okay, I guess that's good enough evidence, right? After all, 1 out of the 4 flight recorders were found. The other three destroyed, or perhaps even confiscated without our knowledge. Back to my point. If supposedly undestructable flight recorders were destroyed, then how did something made out of PAPER manage to fly out of the explosion, uncharred, and barely even torn? Then survive the fall of the buildings. Why was this the passport that he reported stolen in 1999? Why did our government make him wear a shock collar during the trial??

That's not even skimming the surface. We're all being lied to. Look at Israel and the Palestinians. All you hear or see on American news media is that the Palestinians strike first, then Israel retaliates. In the rest of the media around the world the real truth is told. Israel is stealing land, organizing an illegal occupation, killing women, children, and innocent civillians. They're violating The Geneva Convention, and UN regulations. The funny thing is that they're so arrogant, they do this right in front of everyone... About a year or two ago, an American reporter went to Palestine to protest this. She stood in front of an Israeli bulldozer to stop it from destroying a home that a family lived in. A God-fearing, working family. What did the bulldozer do? It ran her over! What a surprise? Did you ever even hear about this in the media?? I thought you'd say that... Guess who Israel's #1 ally is? Did you know that 90% of ALL U.S. communications are routed through Israel? That's right, Israel does 90% of the billing for the telecom industry in the U.S.
Anyways... Back to 9/11.

You people probably think I'm nuts, and also probably hate me by now. I just felt that I had to get these things to people who may not know about it. I've met a lot of really great people here. The media is doing its job very very well. 100% spin, lies, and fear-tactics. If you don't belive me then view the movie below. It's free. If you watch this movie and then afterwards still belive the official story then you might as well just hand your guns over and stick your heads back in the ground. "Maybe it will all just go away...." fat chance. Disinformation really does work. You'll probably call me unpatriotic since that's what the media has trained us to do. A patriot's real duty is to seek the truth and then speak that truth to power.

Anybody with half of a brain knows we're not being told the truth. Just look at the evidence for yourselves. www.911truth.org
Go to video.google.com and search for the movie "loose change 2"

Now, before everyone here decides to flame me. I've only done this to make people aware that we're being lied to. Our noses are being rubbed into it. They're USING us, that's right we're being USED. How? Fear-tactics, we have to get "terrorists" before they get us... it's all B.S.

Did you guys know that a total of 3 buildings fell on 9/11??

Towers 1&2, and also 7. Tower seven isn't even allowed to be discussed in the mainstream media. You will maybe hear about it 0.5% of broadcasts. Then it's dismissed, and quickly the subject is changed. There was a poll, and only 1% of Americans surveyed said there were 3 buildings that fell on the 11th. Only 1%... I also find it amazing how over $700,000,000 in precious metal from the towers is still missing... Tower 7 isn't even mentioned once in "The 9/11 Commission Report". Not even once... The person in charge of this commission was also one of the people who tried to cover-up Watergate.

So much evidence points to conspiracy, murder, and TREASON damnit! TREASON!

Do you guys want to know the real story, or what you're being fed?? Disinformation is a powerful tool. From what it looks like, it's working. Our own people died, thousands of American citizens. Our friends, neighbors, and family. For what?? It's TREASON. Plain and simple, it's TREASON. Our guys are dying for oil, nothing but oil...

The former director of the D.O.D. during the Raegan years is even speaking out. He was head of the Star Wars Defense progran. A true patriot with years of service to this corrupt government. A veteran combat fighter pilot. He flew over 100 combat missions during Vietnam.

Before you decide to flame me. Please watch loose chage 2 at video.google.com

Don't bash me. Hit me back with intelligence. It's the least I deserve.

I really hope you guys don't hate me for this. I've been a member for a while now. To me though, it's worth it. People must know.

Do the research. The real truth is only found in the only free media left. The Internet.

Thanks, may God not only bless us. May He bless the world!
This is taking The High Road.

 

[Low-Sci]

Al Zarqawi didn't get a trial, he got a couple thousand pounds of bombs up his *ss. You must mean Zacharias Mousaui, which, forgive me for saying so, can only hint at your understanding of the whole thing.

I think its important to step back for a minute or two and realize that while yes, the truth can be found on the internet, the truth there sits next to midgets screwing donkeys, several different packs of lies, some very rank bias, and about ten million pictures of drunken, passed out college students. So maybe this is the truth. Maybe its also an elaborate lie, designed to get your panties in a twist. The internet is by absolutely no means known for its credibility, and finding something on the internet does not make whatever you found true.

I know there is a significant body of people who believe they have evidence that proves that 9/11 wasn't a terrorist attack. I know there are also a significant number of people who think roswell was a coverup, LBJ organized JFK's assassination, that jet contrails in the sky are actually mind controlling "chem-trails," that flouride in the water is a mind control attempt.

I've seen arguements and been in them over this 9/11 thing over and over and over again. They never get any better. You've said nothing that hasn't been said to me at least ten times before. And I still think- after reviewing all the evidence that all of these people have put forth, and all the time they took explaining to me how I was brainwashed- that they're full of crap. The evidence is just too flimsy and fragmented.

Believe whatever you want. Don't expect me to believe whatever you want.

 

[shotgunner]

HeH...

Sorry,

Had to edit that. It's 2 A.M. here. I'm usually up two hours from now for work. It's the weekend though.

Anybody who uses logic can see that there are two conspiracies. The "official" story, and the conspiracy that actually has evidence backing it up...

Watch the movies dude

 

[.41Dave]

I think he means Zacarias Moussaoui, not Zakawi. And yep, shotgunner needs a "tin foil hat" Because we ALL know that our Government loves us and would never lie to us or do anything against our interests, because they care for us and love us and work so tirelessly for our own good, even though we are so ungrateful as to actually question their noble and pure motives...

 

[Low-Sci]

Because that's exactly what I was saying, Dave. <Sarcasm.

I'm not sure how you turn "I don't believe the government planned 9/11" directly into "The government is sweet and pure and loves us all."

All Im saying is that if you want to believe an underground theory about 9/11, fine. You'll be in good company. If you don't and you believe what is considered to be the above-board version of what happened, also fine.

Just don't push your crap on anybody else. Apparently that's a problem.

 

[vynx]

I started watching the video - not worth an hour of my time - it reminds me of the search for Bigfoot - how do I know what the narrator says is TRUE?

Next, if the war is about the oil then how come we aren't getting the oil? Is this an excuse to drive the price up because supply is not meeting demand? That's not what is being said - WHO IS GETTING THE OIL? I never hear that. If you want to know who robbed the bank find who has the loot and you will find your robber.

That said I do remember President General Eisenhower made a famous speech warning America about the military/industrial complex and something to the effect that money spent on war is money that could be put to better uses for the people - a very famous quote but its too late at night for me to look it up.

I don't believe much the Gov't tells me - but I'm not Chicken Little and I need soliod proof to believe the sky is falling.

 

[shotgunner]

A lot of people are theorizing that oil has hit it's peak. After the peak then it's harder and harder to pump. Therefore it becomes more expensive. This is a last ditch effort to control it all. Don't be so stubborn and give the video 15 minutes... the beginning is boring cause it talks about old documentation. Even I'll admit that

Notice how Iraq is in the middle of the middle-east.

We're building 14 permanent military bases there... gee, I wonder why...

If you visit 911truth.org on the top of the page click on the "top 40" reasons to doubt the official story

 

[wingnutx]

About a year or two ago, an American reporter went to Palestine to protest this. She stood in front of an Israeli bulldozer to stop it from destroying a home that a family lived in. A God-fearing, working family. What did the bulldozer do? It ran her over!

You are referring to Rachel Corrie. Here she is burning a homemade American flag in front of a crowd of Palestinians:


She was defending a home used as a conduit for weapons smuggling, and she learned that a D-9 Cat has a lot of blind spots.

Go to video.google.com and search for the movie "loose change 2"

I've seen it. Nicely done piece of disinformation that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Here's a decent debunking of it.

Here's another.

The reson that there is a "2nd edition" is that the first one was so full of holes that they had to overhaul it. They didn't do a very good job, but then they don't have to if people will take the patent falsehoods at face value.

For example, the "fact" that stock was manipulated to make a ton of money on the airline stock price taking a hit. It was reported then discovered to be false. The movie-makers continue to use it to base their case on, along with myriad other lies and half-truths.

For pete's sake, do some fact checking. Don't get spoonfed your info while you have the greatest fact-checking tool in the history of man right at your fingertips.

Me, I just had a friend who is a jet mechanic take a look at the Pentagon pics and point out all the large jet engine parts in the rubble. Things like condenser fans, landing gear, and parts that cruise missiles don't have, and wouldn't even fit into one in the first place.

You people probably think I'm nuts, and also probably hate me by now.

Yes and no. You pretty much come across like a teenager who just discovered the world of conspiracy theory and has to tell everyone else as if they haven't been inundated with it for the past 5 years.

 

[Cosmoline]

Israel is stealing land, organizing an illegal occupation, killing women, children, and innocent civillians.

Here we go. I hear those filthy jews eat Arab children for Purim, too! And then the evil American donkey shoe wearing Marines grind the livers of the martyrs into paste and have it on their filthy crackers while they laugh.

Yes, and the DOD bombed itself with a cruise missile on 9/11 and the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition. And JFK was shot by aliens with Mausers from the sewer grates. I heard it all on Art Bell.

Same old same old same old.

 

[wingnutx]

I hear those filthy jews eat Arab children for Purim, too!

They turned me into a newt!

 

[mrrick]

I've lived and worked in the "muddle east" for nearly 30 years. Things here are never what they appear to be, and never that simple.

If you spend some time here and know the mentality, you might understand why we support Israel. Most of these states are "terrorist" states and they tend to terrorize their own people At least Israel has some semblance of democracy and elections.

As far as the Palestians are concerned, now that they have some independence in the West Bank, they start fighting among themselves for control. Basically whoever is in charge will have the opportunity to loot the treasury and send it off to Swiss banks. Yasser Arafat has 2 BILLION dollars in Switzerland, his wife lives in a palacial apartment in Paris and gets 1 million dallors a month for her expenses. All this while the poor working Palestians live in poverty and are encouraged to go blow themselves up for the cause. I work with a lot of Palestians here and they have 10% of their salaries taken and sent to these so called "leaders", the money never makes it to the people.

In the Gulf states, most of the middle management is done by Palestians, Egyptians, Syrians etc. They know they are being ripped off by their leaders back home and despise the likes of Arafat, and the new leadership.

Like most everyone in the world, they want Peace and are willing to see compromises made with Israel to get it.

The Palestinian people are the ones being used. The conflict with Israel is just a big industry used to steal a lot of money for the leaders.

 

[LAK]

The Nick Berg story, the full story, is interesting. Although it is full of some big holes.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/

I have film footage of the "Republican" National Convention where George Bush, his wife, and speakers like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rudy Guiliani each repeated the words "terror", "terrorism", "september 11th" so many times it was surreal. Almost commical. I'll have to count them sometime.

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[KMKeller]

Israel is stealing land, organizing an illegal occupation, killing women, children, and innocent civillians.

I see the disinformation bureau chiefs have met their quota with you. How about you do some independant research as to the history of the whole issue, not just suck down the PC spooge and regurgutate it?

 

[Barbara]

They turned me into a newt!

You don't look like a newt! (You got better?)

First off, it was Atta's passport, not Mousaui's. Since Mousaui was in jail at the time, it was pretty unlikely he was there. Unless he has a government created clone, perhaps.

Secondly, building 7 was in the news quite a lot at the time, as were a couple of others which were torn down. But since planes didn't crash into them, there wasn't as much coverage. I'm not sure anyone died in the building before or while it was collapsing, although if there were, it was nowhere near the thousands who died in the two largest tours.

 

[Just_a_dude_with_a_gun]

Blah, blah, blah, ....Don't bash me. Hit me back with intelligence. It's the least I deserve.

Too many of the facts are incorrect, or backwards, and if more than 1 person knows, it's not a secrect or conspiracy. and the gub'mint cannot keep sectets.

 

[Onmilo]

I suppose the US Government has known all along where the Sunni backed Zaracreepy was hiding and we only now killed him as a token gesture of appeasement to the Shiite majority Iranians and the Shiite majority Iraqui people,,,,,,,

Oh yeah, of course this whole little brew ha ha is about oil, what spoils of war were we going to get out of Afghanistan?
Maybe the prevention of that all important oil flowing into those evil ex-commie countries from their friends the Arabs,,,,,,,

 

[dartos]

I agree with Shotgunner, there are too many unanswered questions.

 

[Lou629]

Give me a break...

One might as well get all his "facts" from some Michael Moore 'documentary' while you're at it. Then you'd know without a doubt that you were being told the absolutely unvarnished, no-spin-applied truth, yes sir. And you'd be at least as well informed as you are right now.

 

[12-34hom]

"Do the research. The real truth is only found in the only free media left. The Internet."

That is one of the stupidest and funny comments I've read around here in a long time....

Shotgunner, you voted for Al Gore did"nt ya... since he's the one that invented the INTERNET - remember this is the only place left to find the real truth.

12-34hom.

 

[Preacherman]

Shotgunner, please check your PM's.

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