The Press Check a disscusion

[easyg]

I get if you just loaded it, no need to verify, but if the weapon leaves your hand/body/sight, why would you assume it's still exactly the way you left it?

My confidence in the condition of my weapons stems from my knowledge of those who have access to my weapons....my wife and myself, and no one else.


My wife does not mess with my firearms and I don't mess with hers.
We don't load or unload or move around each others firearms, ever.
We don't have kids or others in our home and our dog doesn't mess with the firearms either.
There are no gremlins nor any ghosts in our home, and I don't suffer from Alzheimer's or Dementia.
If I load a pistol and place it in the drawer beside the computer, I can go away for months and when I return the pistol will still be there, and it will still be loaded.


Clearly, there are those here who have a completely different living arrangement than myself.
Apparently there are those here who have other folks with access to their firearms....others who have no qualms with loading or unloading or relocating and "messing with" the firearms of others.




Easy

 

[David E]

Not sure how former you are, but within the last few years there has been a vast improvement in weapons training across the board.

Ok, but you said there's a lot of loading/unloading going on. Why?

When I was in Iraq/Afghanistan I carried my weapon loaded everywhere I went. Before I went on patrol, I checked the chamber. I "knew" it was loaded,

I don't blame you one bit and I would do the same thing.

Thank you for your service.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

My confidence in the condition of my weapons stems from my knowledge of those who have access to my weapons....my wife and myself, and no one else.


My wife does not mess with my firearms and I don't mess with hers.
We don't load or unload or move around each others firearms, ever.
We don't have kids or others in our home and our dog doesn't mess with the firearms either.
There are no gremlins nor any ghosts in our home, and I don't suffer from Alzheimer's or Dementia.
If I load a pistol and place it in the drawer beside the computer, I can go away for months and when I return the pistol will still be there, and it will still be loaded.


Clearly, there are those here who have a completely different living arrangement than myself.
Apparently there are those here who have other folks with access to their firearms....others who have no qualms with loading or unloading or relocating and "messing with" the firearms of others.




Easy

So if you pull a weapon out of your safe to clean it, "knowing" it's unloaded, you wouldn't check it?(Rhetorical question) I am the only person with access to my weapons as well. I would still never assume that I'm perfect enough to never need to check them. It's just not worth it any way I look at it. If you're fine with what you're doing, sweet. Enjoy.

Can we stop running circles now?

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[Skribs]

So if you pull a weapon out of your safe to clean it, "knowing" it's unloaded, you wouldn't check it?

I do end up checking my weapons when I clean them, simply because I have to unload them first anyway.

 

[easyg]

So if you pull a weapon out of your safe to clean it, "knowing" it's unloaded, you wouldn't check it?

First, I don't keep my weapons in a safe.
Instead they are hidden about the house, ready to go.
But I don't have a very large collection either.



As for cleaning my weapons....

I keep them loaded, so yes, I know that they are loaded and must be unloaded before I start cleaning them.
Besides that, unloading the weapon is the first step in cleaning any firearm....

Revolver:
Release and open cylinder.
Remove bullets from cylinder.
Proceed with cleaning.

Autoloader:
Remove magazine.
Lock side to the rear, ejecting the chambered round.
Look to verify that the chamber is empty and that the magazine well is empty.
Proceed with cleaning.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Besides that, unloading the weapon is the first step in cleaning any firearm....

This right here is where we differ. I think the door swings both ways here. If I'm going to do something that requires my weapon be unloaded such as cleaning it, I verify that it is unloaded. If I'm going to do something that requires my weapon to be loaded such as carry it to protect my family, I verify that it is loaded. All the confidence and training in the world means nothing if you pull the trigger and get a click instead of a bang. I'd rather spend about half a second and verify what I already "know", than spend the rest of my life wishing I had.

 

[Derek Zeanah]

I'd rather spend about half a second and verify what I already "know", than spend the rest of my life wishing I had.

Pretty much sums up the debate right there...

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Ok, but you said there's a lot of loading/unloading going on. Why?



I don't blame you one bit and I would do the same thing.

Thank you for your service.

There are several reasons. As I'm sure you know, I can't carry a weapon on base. My wife has no firearms training and hasn't come around to the idea of loaded weapons in the house. I'd prefer to have my firearms unloaded when I'm not home, not only to ease her mind, but also to avoid anything happening when I'm not around.

Another thing is other Marine wives come over and do whatever wives like to do when they get together, while I'm at work. Most of our friends have children and I'm definitely not comfortable with kids running around my house full of loaded firearms.

There are other reasons as well, but I think the two I mentioned should be good enough for just about anyone here. If not, those are good enough for me.


*Not directed at anyone in particular*:
I think I'm about done in this thread. Nobody here is going to change my mind and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind either. I was mostly just trying to defend the nonsense about checking a loaded weapon being unnecessary. If it's unnecessary for anyone else, good for you, but don't tell me I need to do the same things you do because you "don't see the point". That's ignorant and just bad practice.

 

[Bonesinium]

SnowBlaZeR2's last two posts should be a thread ender.

 

[easyg]

This right here is where we differ. I think the door swings both ways here. If I'm going to do something that requires my weapon be unloaded such as cleaning it, I verify that it is unloaded. If I'm going to do something that requires my weapon to be loaded such as carry it to protect my family, I verify that it is loaded.

No, we don't differ here at all.
I feel the same as you do....
When I load my weapon I verify that it is loaded as I stated earlier in this thread.
But once I have verified that the weapon is loaded I don't need to re-verify every time I holster, unholster, pick up, or put down that weapon.

The mere action of unholstering a weapon cannot eject the chambered round.
It makes no sense to press check simply because one unholsters their pistol.

Merely placing your pistol on a table and then picking up and reholstering that pistol cannot eject the chambered round.
Press checking simply because you placed the pistol on the table and then picked it up again is just senseless ritual.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

SnowBlaZeR2's last two posts should be a thread ender.

If only it were so.

No, we don't differ here at all.
I feel the same as you do....
When I load my weapon I verify that it is loaded as I stated earlier in this thread.
But once I have verified that the weapon is loaded I don't need to re-verify every time I holster, unholster, pick up, or put down that weapon.

The mere action of unholstering a weapon cannot eject the chambered round.
It makes no sense to press check simply because one unholsters their pistol.

Merely placing your pistol on a table and then picking up and reholstering that pistol cannot eject the chambered round.
Press checking simply because you placed the pistol on the table and then picked it up again is just senseless ritual.

I think we do differ.

But press checking a weapon that you already know to be loaded is simply irrational.

I have no issues press checking a weapon that I "know" to be loaded.

If I load a pistol and place it in the drawer beside the computer, I can go away for months and when I return the pistol will still be there, and it will still be loaded.

I would never assume I could leave a pistol loaded for months and also assume it was still loaded when I returned.

My confidence in the condition of my weapons stems from my knowledge of those who have access to my weapons....my wife and myself, and no one else.

I also have confidence in the condition of my firearms, but not enough to assume anything when it counts.

And since you left it out when you quoted me, I'll say it again:

All the confidence and training in the world means nothing if you pull the trigger and get a click instead of a bang. I'd rather spend about half a second and verify what I already "know", than spend the rest of my life wishing I had.

We done yet?

 

[easyg]

I have no issues press checking a weapon that I "know" to be loaded.

Mindless ritual does no equate to good firearms handling practices.
And press checking a weapon that you already know the status of is just mindless ritual.

But hey, if you want to press check for no good reason then I'm certainly not going to stop you.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Mindless ritual does no equate to good firearms handling practices.
And press checking a weapon that you already know the status of is just mindless ritual.

But hey, if you want to press check for no good reason then I'm certainly not going to stop you.

I'm a firearms instructor in the Marine Corps. I have three different MOSs in marksmanship training. Nothing I do with a firearm is mindless ritual, I can assure you of that.

Your definition of "knowing" the status of your firearms and mine are obviously not the same. Forgive me if I trust in my training and my experience more than the words coming across your keyboard. If what I do seems to be for no good reason to you, that's your problem. You're wrong, but you're also entitled to be wrong.

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[45_auto]

And press checking a weapon that you already know the status of is just mindless ritual.

I can't count the number of ND's from "empty" weapons and FTF's from "loaded" weapons that I've seen from people who "know" the status of their weapon.

 

[Bonesinium]

Word to that 45 auto.

I have never double checked anything in my entire life because I am always both right and perfect, but also I never forget.

If the above statement holds true, then of course a press check is an act in futility.

 

[Loosedhorse]

I am always both right and perfect

So am I. My mother agrees.

My wife, however, sometimes expresses a different point of view...

 

[Bonesinium]

You should probably cut her loose then. She clearly has no idea what she is talking about!