The Problem Is Gun Owners

[MoreTEN]

Dear mao, you wrote:

"During WWII Norway tried to use "government" to resist one of the biggest criminals of all time, Adolph Hitler. A lot of good it did them. They were occupied by the Nazis for almost five years.

They might have been much better served with an armed population willing to fight like the heavily armed Swiss who had every intention of doing againts Herr Hitler and Friends. Hitler knew it too and took it to heart."

Norway is a small country, and until we struck on oil, it was a rather poor country. We had a military, but were coup by Vidkun Quisling & co, king and gouverment fled to England. That way they could still fight against the nazis.

The resistance in Norway was big, we even stopped the nazis building the atombomb.

The north of Norway got most damage, when it was bombed and burned as the nazis moved further south, trying to escape the russian army that came over the borders up north.

 

[moa]

If I remember correctly, sabotuers blew up a heavy water plant the Nazis had in the works.

From what I have read, the Nazis where not anywhere as near in their development of the atomic bomb as compared to USA.

 

[Moparmike]

What really angers me is that there are people here that join that DON'T OWN GUNS! They join to protect OUR rights. This is a disgrace to gun owners.

EXCUSE ME!?!?!? HOW IS SOMEONE JOINING A PRO-GUN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT OWNING GUNS DISGRACEFUL? I JOINED THIS BOARD WITH NARRY A BULLET TO MY NAME, AND YOU HAVE THE UNMITIGATED GAUL TO TELL ME THAT I HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE OR A MEMBER OF A GUN ORGANIZATION!?!?!? HOW -ING DARE YOU!!!!!

In my opinion gun owners that don't join (SNIP) should be banned from buying, ridiculed by their fellow shooters, whatever it takes to wake them up before it is too late.

(SNIP)

Please support those who use common sense background checks: No NRA Card No Gun.

People like you sicken me, and make me NOT want to join an organization. People who dont vote like gun owners should vote like gun owners, but not joining an organization to have rights REEKS of a certain well known political party that was in charge of Germany from 1936-1945, and a different one in charge of Russia for almost 70 years.

 

[Moparmike]

I may regret this later, but here goes. My first REAL flame of someone.

MoreTen, do THR a favor. Please put this image:

on all of your posts so we will know to ignore your posts. You have stated repeatedly your opinion on guns and in spite of the facts, common sense and logic we present to you :banghead:, you vehemently spew forth your incessant anti-American "I know better than you and your ignorant backward society full of cowboys" diatribes. I for one am sick of it, and it wouldnt hurt my feelings one friggin bit if you never visited this site again.



I feel better now. The screwed up thing is how much restraint I showed while flaming. Maybe its because I like staying on THR.

 

[Gordon Fink]

EXCUSE ME!?!?!? HOW IS SOMEONE JOINING A PRO-GUN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT OWNING GUNS DISGRACEFUL?

Mike, you misunderstand. He meant that it’s a disgrace to gun owners who don’t join.

~G. Fink

 

[MicroBalrog]

Can you name one land in the history of the world that has survived by anarcy, or the way of the gun?"

Two words:


Israel, 1948

 

[Don Galt]

Yes, Isreal and Somalia. And the US, in fact. And every country that has thrown off tyranny by revolution (And replaced it with liberty.)

Oh, and the idea that "the way of the gun" is "Anarchy" is a foolish one. Too many people use the word "anarchy" when they mean chaos. Please use Chaos when that is what you mean.

Anarchy is merely the absense of government, and there are countries which have had centuries of peace under anarchism.

What we have in america is most assuredly not anarchism-- it is a republic with a constitution to keep the democracy in check. It held out well for about 160 years, before we lost it.

Since Norway is not a free country even now, I think our 160 years stands up well in comparison.

 

[feedthehogs]

Mike,
Don't blow a gasket over MoreTen's posts. Having dealt with non-Americans for years, most don't understand our thinking and way of life.

Trying to get them to understand will make your head explode. It really doesn't matter anyway because they have no influence or voting rights in OUR country.

Just like a noisey child, ignore them and they will go away.

Be aggressive to the guns owners in this country who sit by and do nothing to help our cause.

But do it in a calm and understanding way. Don't let anti gun comments set you off.

 

[MicroBalrog]

And replaced it with liberty

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[MoreTEN]

Dear mao:

"If I remember correctly, sabotuers blew up a heavy water plant the Nazis had in the works."

Yes, and thats used to make the bomb.

"From what I have read, the Nazis where not anywhere as near in their development of the atomic bomb as compared to USA."

No one knows how close they where, but the point is that all this work stopped. This may have changed the ways of the war. If the nazis had buildt this bomd, they could done great damage and mayby won the war, or brought it to a holt.

 

[Mark Tyson]

EXCUSE ME!?!?!? HOW IS SOMEONE JOINING A PRO-GUN ORGANIZATION WITHOUT OWNING GUNS DISGRACEFUL?

Calm down. You misunderstand.

It is disgraceful that there are gun owners who are not in the NRA. Those who are in the NRA and do not own guns are commendable because of their commitment to liberty as a principle. These non gun owning NRA members put to shame those gun owners who are not members of a gun rights group.

There are also gun owners who do not belong to any formal group who nevertheless write letters and are otherwise active in the RKBA movement. These guys are in the same category.

What's disgraceful is the gun owners who don't lift a finger to protect our rights.

 

[moa]

MoreTEN, the American Manhattan Project that developed the atomic bomb was huge project costing at the time $2 billion and employing thousands of people. The crash Project produced both an uranium bomb and a plutonium bomb.

The Germans never had that kind of commitment to produce an atomic weapon.
Hell, in 1943 when Hitler's friend Albert Speer became armaments minister, he was shocked to find a basically peacetime economy competing with a wartime effort for resouces during a period of total war.

Bottom line, at the end of WWII the Germans were no where near producing an atomic weapon. Sorry, despite valiant partisan efforts, Norway did not save the world from Hitler armed with an atomic weapon, IF that is what you are inferring.

 

[MoreTEN]

Dear mao:

Read this:
"Water was dripping in a hydrogen plant at Rjukan in Telemark, Southern Norway, as it had done since1934. But this was no ordinary water, and no ordinary plant - it was the only facility in Europe that produced heavy water Link in large-scale volumes.

The Germans kept the plant under heavy guard during World War II - for good reason. The barrels of heavy water that were rolled out were sent to Germany, where they were used to control nuclear fission.

Following the occupation of Norway in the spring of 1940, it soon became clear that the Germans were interested in heavy water. By the start of 1942, production at new installations in Rjukan, based on a German method, increased to 100 kilos per month. Not long after, the Germans announced they wanted to increase output further."

and this:

"It was known in London and Washington that two German atomic physicists were working on nuclear fission, and it was assumed that heavy water had something to do with Hitler's threat of a secret weapon.

Norwegians in London assisted in the plans to sabotage the heavy water unit at the Vemork power plant at Rjukan, and photographs and sketches of the plant were sent to London by Norwegian contacts at the facility, in particular Jomar Brun, manager of the heavy water unit.

A huge political thriller began to unfold in 1943 and 1944. Was this a question of preventing the development of a nuclear weapon? Was this an arms race? In any case, the outcome could determine who won the war."

As you understand, this was a race. If the nazis had produced the atombomb before the americans, they could have won the war.



"Sorry, despite valiant partisan efforts, Norway did not save the world from Hitler armed with an atomic weapon, IF that is what you are inferring."

No, thats your way of twisting it. These are heroes, and they did something that changed the way of the war. If Hitler had produced the bomb, again, it could have changed the world as we know it. Of course this is of great importance, and if you dont see that, well, that your small minded. Sorry.

 

[moa]

MoreTen, tell me more. You said:

"The Germans kept the plant under heavy guard during World War II - for good reason. The barrels of heavy water that were rolled out were sent to Germany, where they were used to control nuclear fission."

What nuclear fission were the Germans trying to control?

 

[MoreTEN]

This plant was meant to make heavy water, only that, but heavy water is one of the key elements of making the bomb. I dont see your point, mao..

 

[jungleman]

I have drawen a line in the sand: I will not vote for anyone who tries to limit my firearm freedoms. Period.!!!!!

 

[Don Galt]

Jungleman--

Does that include people who don't try to undo limitations that are already there? Say, if they propose at least one bill a year to undo a previous limitation?

But I agree, I won't vote for someone who doesn't support liberty-- there are a lot of issues, like firearms, that will rule someone out. But fortunately, there are candidates who I can vote for.