The Python vs. the Model 27: My results.

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Which is more accurate, the S&W Model 27 or the Colt Python? I have seen the question raised several times. Both revolvers are deluxe, top of the line guns for their respective makers and either will serve if one needs a premier .357 Magnum revolver.

There are differences between the two guns, and many shooters don’t like the Colt trigger system that does feel unlike the S&W trigger. Colt fans find the fit and finish of the Python to be first-class and don’t understand the S&W folks’ complaints about the Colt trigger.

I own numerous examples of Pythons and 27s and like both, and after reading yet another forum post asking which was more accurate I decided to find out for myself. I admit this test was not scientific and the research was cursory to say the least. To really judge the pistols we would need several examples of each revolver type fired from a machine rest using a variety of ammunition. But for now this is what I have in the way of results. I predicted what would happen fairly closely.

I tested a 5” S&W Model 27-2 made in 1968. This gun shows virtually no wear and is very tight. I understand that there are numerous variations of this pistol, starting with the Registered Magnums and leading through to the current crop of N frame .357s, but I figured this was a good representative choice.

Same with the Python. Made in the late 1970s the Colt had a 6” barrel and was in almost new condition like the Smith. It was as good an example as any.

Ammunition was full-power .357 Magnums with a 125 grain JHP loaded to around 1600 FPS. Although some folks think this load is a little on the warm side this is my favorite .357 load and I use it in all of my guns in this caliber. I think about it when shooting this ammo in my K frames. I still shoot it, but I think about it. I don’t worry at all about firing it in my N frame guns. The Python isn’t as robust as the 27, but if the Ks can live on this load then I figure the Python should, too.

I started at 10 yards, firing five shot groups from both guns. The Python won this round by averaging (yes, averaging) about .9” in group size. The best was a group with all shots touching that measures about .65” (see the pic). The 27 averaged 1.9” at this distance.

I backed out to 25 yards and tried again. This time the round ended in a split decision. The Colt had the best average at 2.5”, barely topping the Smith’s 2.8” average, but the 27 turned in the best single group at 1.75”. I'm not sure why the 27 was able to close on the Colt so much at this distance except to admit it may be the shooter influencing the results.

Moving back to the 10 yard range I fired six rounds from each revolver, shooting double action from a standing position. The Colt topped the Smith again with a 3.2” group to the 27’s 4.6” performance.

As I expected, the Python prevailed. Colt traditionally bored their barrels .001 smaller than did S&W and I think this is why the Colts tended to outshoot the Smiths. Old-timers have told me the S&Ws were service pistols, not target guns. It does seem to me that photos of matches from the good old days show many more Colts on the line than Smiths. Of course, your results may vary, and as I said, this test was not scientific.

There you go.

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Amen XB.

I should live so long to be a good enough shooter to tell the difference in accuracy between 2 such fine revolvers.

Gotta get me a 27 some day...
 
thatguy -- excellent thread topic and well-written, thanks! Great to see fresh thread ideas. (And if I had a Python, I'd try this too ...)
XavierBreath -- great line! That about describes my big-bore revolver shooting as well.
 
Colt traditionally bored their barrels .001 smaller than did S&W and I think this is why the Colts tended to outshoot the Smiths.

That's a factor, as is the Python's tighter rate of twist, as is the fact that for many years, every Python's throat was polished. In single action mode, the well tuned Python has a distinct advantage over the well tuned model 27. In double action, most people find the model 27's trigger smoother than the Python's, which stacks noticeably.

I have five Pythons and a single model 27. The latter sports a Clark barrel, since the neither the one it was shipped with nor the one the factory replaced it with was at all accurate. It's now accurate as a Python, although the trigger is a skosh less crisp.
 
I would think that the only way to do a fair comparison test would be to put each in a Ransom Rest so there would be no influence from the shooter. Things like grip and trigger would vary depending on who was holding the gun.

Dean
 
XB- I didn't see the results in your site other than the statement about the Smith winning. Nothing against the M15 (I have two of them) but I just can't imagine the typical 15 outshooting the typical Python. I didn't expect the 27 to shoot as well as the Python (and I was right) and the 15 is much less of a target pistol than the 27.

Was the same .38 Special ammo used in both guns? Advantage to the Smith if it was since in my experience 38s shot from 357s don't shoot as well. I can tell the difference and that's why I don't shoot 38s from my Magnums.

You admit that you greatly prefer the Smith and favor it heavily. That's why it shot better. From a machine rest with proper ammo I would bet money on the Colt. Lots of money. In my case I like the Colt and S&W fairly equally. I use both without a clear preference so my results are a bit more realistic than if I had a clear favorite.
 
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I own numerous examples of Pythons and 27s
<jealousy> I had trouble getting past this part. </jealousy> :cool:

Very cool to see the comparison. I always wanted a Python.

I just have a utilitarian 6" Model 28. It won't win any beauty pagents but man it has a sweet trigger and out of all my handguns, I shoot it the best.
 
The 27 (and pre-27) is my favorite pistol and I have more of them than anything else. After selling two and having one stolen this is what I have left.

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thatguy said:
I use both without a clear preference so my results are a bit more realistic than if I had a clear favorite.
But you already had expectations that the Python would shoot better than the smith. So one could say your results are biased also? Nice revolver collection :D
 
I did expect the Python to shoot better but I don't think I was subconsciously trying to make it happen. I shot both guns as well as I could. One advantage the Colt had was an early set of target stocks that feel better for paper punching than the S&W Magnas. I would have put a set of targets on the 27 had I thought about it. I doubt it made a lot of difference.

What next? Diamondback vs. the Model 15?

The Metropolitan vs. the Model 10?
 
I can do the OMT vs. the M14. Don't have all of the other guns mentioned.
 
Nice info.Thanks. I've never owned a M-27 but have owned many M-28's. I currently own a Python, blued, 6". I also own a M-19 (just bought it 2 weeks ago). At 10 yards, both shoot under 1 inch groups. I would be interested in seeing a test done from a Ransom rest. I don't shoot well enough anymore to tell the difference shooting off hand.
 
Back in the late 80s I owned 3 Smith 686s (2.5",4"and 6") , a Ruger GP100(4") and a Colt Python(4"). The Python was the most beautiful handgun I had ever owned but I simply could not get the thing to shoot for me the way I could the Smiths or the Ruger. So , I eventually traded it.

I have never owned a 27 but I sure would love try one out someday. I have a few articles on hand where the Python and various other 357s were tested in Ransom Rests and from the bench with a scope. The Pythons were indeed very accurate. Still there were others that were slightly more accurate. And I'm not saying these particular tests hold true for all 357 revolvers made.

But I will say that my current 686 has given me good results during accuracy testing. This is 50 yards from a rest with a scope - the next best method if a Ransom Rest is not handy. At 25 this particular revolver will do consistently print 6 shots into an inch or better without much difficulty.
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Off the subject - but another comparison which is sort of analogous to 27 vs Python. I owned a Ruger MKII with a Clark trigger job and shot Bullseye 22. A lot of shooters said get a Smith 41 and you will see a noticeable improvement in your scores. So I finally bought the much more expensive Smith 41. Have owned it for 5 years now and have never shot any better scores with it compared to the much less expensive MKII!
 
If anyone is interested, I will take all your Smiths and Colts and spend the next 20 years testing them to make a definitive statement as to which is best.

If you pay me enough, I might even give up my day job as Vice President of Quality Control for a national string of brothels.:neener:
 
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