Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Smitty908, May 17, 2007.
They said on one of the sites that they had been watching this hog and saw who would pay to shoot it .. Who knows what this thing was being fed .. It was in a fenced in area .. Dunno how much of hunting that is but to each their own
A couple of things strike me right off. First that hog has little or no "wild" or "euro" genes in him at all. The ears are the first dead give away. Wild hogs have small rounded ears they develop these within a couple of generations of being wild and mixing in with Euro genes. Farm hags have the large floppy ears like the one in the picture.
The story of 16 rounds with the .500 doesn't surprise me one little tiny bit. Because the .500 isn't all that powerful for one and two the kid probably can't shoot it that well. I've seen hogs walk away from less then perfect hits with a .500 Linebaugh. There are NO hand held wheel guns that produce enough power to be considered a "stopper" on large tough animals. PERIOD.
But in my opinion there is no way that hog was wild and free roaming given the scenario reported. I have to think that it was a raised hog that was released into a high fenced area.
It is a big hog. Maybe even a 1000 lbr but I doubt that it was killed in a free ranging area. I doubt that it was a wild pig.
I just fail to believe that there is a hog that large roaming around. The thing could have eaten the kid with no problems. Fenced I would believe it, its been well fed.
But it could be a feral pig. Ear size doesn't immediately shrink just because a pig is outside its pen, or because it is a first or second generation born in the wild. Adaptations, such as ear size shrinkage, may take several generations to be dominant.
National Geographic needs to investigate this one, like they did with Hogzilla. I can't seem to find my waders...
Double Naught replies,
Thanks for straightening that out for us..
Real or not, I wouldn't be bragging about shooting a hog in a 200 acre fenced in area. Isn't that commonly known as a pasture ?
I really first got in to wild hog hunting when I was 7 and hat was in a restricted area owened by a phosphate mine, That place was covered with
big pigs and many other wildlife and armed only with pocket knives rope and 5 pit bulls that where traned to kill (It don't get any better) I rememder we where out there at 4:30 and the dogs got a sal to the ground around 3:00 about 50 yards away, running as fast as we could threw bryer bush about 3 ft. high and 4 in. thick it took all me and 4 other guys to pull the dogs off the sal and to tie the to a tree 30 yards away and run back to help the other two guys tie the sal and and drag the sal was a 550 pound american razer-back piny woods rooter back to the truck 100 yards in the other direction,
needless to say we were dog tired, the next week we got a 750 pound farel hog with 3in. tusk but we learned from our mistakes and brought the truck with us.
Forgive my ignorance here, but the other day that site said it was taken with a S&W .500 customized. Today it reads "S&W customized .50 caliber revolver". Is there a distinction?
No an S&W .500 and .50 are the same thing.
HOLY F! ANNISTON AL? THAT'S 10 MINUTES FROM WHERE I GO TO SCHOOL!!!
Pardon the shock and the shouting, But I'm gonna do some research and see what I can find out. If there was really a pig that big killed on my doorstep like they say, the university would know about it. I'll do some digging and let you guys know what I come up with.
Anyone who wants to...this is new see how a bunch of animal rights can be rude over the internet. It's nice to see how a bunch of losers prove my theory that most of these "movements" are based on emotion with no logic involved at all. Some emails border on death threats...
I thought the comments funny, in a twisted way
(the page was nice enough to black out the naughty words for us )
I'm a hunter, mostly deer, but I've gotta say, this hog should not have died that way. Apparently this kid couldn't shoot worth a flip with that big revolver and had no business hunting with it. If he had opportunity to shoot several times, if he was a decent shot, it shouldn't have taken over a couple of shots. I've killed several dozen deer, shoot a 30/06 and have never had run more than 75 yards. Pick your shots and hit where you aim.
Sounds to me like egos and bragging rights are what this "hunt"
I grew up raising hogs; domestic boars get big, especially after they turn 3 or 4. They also typically get ill and mean. The largest boar we had back then was a 3-year-old boar we sold. He was just a shade over 800lbs. Saw several that others had that was bigger than he was. At one of the local fairs a guy had one that was weighed at 1100lbs. BTW there is another option besides feral or wild. Locally some folks have started crossing big Russian boars over domestic sows to increase the size. They typically get the Russian look and disposition but increase in size. Also locally there are quite a few wild crosses like this. A buddy of mine does a lot of hunting of problem hogs (on local farms) he killed a boar (Russian type) a couple of years ago that weighed in at over 600lbs and had about 7 inch tushes. I have seen others larger than that.
As for the whole hunting lodge thing, well its not my cup of tea but IMHO it is supposed to be a free country and if you want a sure thing hunt and are willing to pay for it then fine by me. Most folks on here would pitch a fit if they were criticized for how they used their private property, but for some reason many feel fine doing that to others. Live and let live is my preference on that subject.
I don't care what they do with their property...
...as long as they don't call shooting penned animals hunting.
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IMHO sometimes we THR community) come across as not giving a damn about anyone's civil rights as long no guns are involved. Call penned animal shooting hunting, call Rosie Odonnel thin-it doesn't mean it really is, but the 1st Amendment guarantees that you can call it that. Private property should be kept private-but unless the activities taking place there are illegal-butt out, even if you object to what they are doing. How many people object to what you do on your own land?
I think the kid should have used an appropriate firearm (rifle or shotgun) and decent shot placement, I dispise the idea of shooting hogs or any other animal when they are captive...Fair chase is a better method. If it was penned/"guaranteed"/farm raised hunting, this kid has a twisted view of hunting thanks to the adults in his life.
You are welcome...but given the roll eyes, you seem to indicate your understanding of biology is somehow different.
Nah, it'd just that (to him) you pointed out the obvious. Your statement might have been a revelation to Lamarck, but nowadays we know better.
I'm curious about the genetics of how and why the animals change so rapidly, and what changes are common to feral swine elsewhere. The color I get, but smaller ears in Texas? Unusual, generally speaking.
Can you not see that in your post you parroted my statement about how many generations it takes for the wild genes to start to show in a feral hog?
Not only do you parrot my statement you make it out like it is some kind of a major revelation on your part.
That is what the rolling eyes are about.
I've got dozens of pictures of Texas feral hogs taken from an area where the genetics are pretty heavy in the Euro department. The ears are the dead give away. Color phase tends to get more wild (tan or gray) but I've seen spotted pigs with major Euro traits as well.
Some guys out where I hunt killed a gigantic wild boar pot belly cross a couple of years ago. They come in all shapes and sizes.
I really don't have a problem with these guys going to some "game farm" and shooting a porker. I mean when you slow down and look at it from a logical stand point all domestic pigs in general are raises for one purpose and one purpose only.
To be slaughtered at some point for human consumption. This one just got to live a lot longer than most. As far as the sloppy shooting goes, what more would you expect from an 11 year old with a gargantuan hand gun and a serious case of the shakes when that massive piggy was in his sights.
What I do have a problem with is the dishonesty in the reporting of the event. It should read something like " boy shoots farm pig in enclosure, makes a poor shot and later the pig died."
The other thing I have a problem with is the wacko nut animal rights nut jobs who come out of their holes to comment on this basic non event. Millions of pigs are killed every year for human consumption. Yet when it is done outside of a commercial slaughter house some how it's a problem? Idiots.
First of all who in the world is dumb enough to shoot a hog with a handgun
for 3 hours in a 200 acre fenced in area, and second of all isn't illegal for a minor to use a handgun, correct me if I'm wrong.
It's illegal to buy one until 21 and illegal to own one under 18. It's legal to use one at any age, but you can't buy handgun ammo until 21. It's a pretty messed up little set of rules. Just consider the lever action rifle in 44 magnum (a handgun round), or the pistol in 22 long rifle (a rifle round, obviously, of sorts).
It was said that it was a suprise for the kid to have him shoot. Maybe not the best idea, considering the need to be prepared.
Yeah that is my problem. Will be getting a lever in .44 mag and can't even buy ammo because I'm only 18. I can buy .22 lr just fine, but I had to get my sis to buy me some .22 shorts for pest control. I got a guy to sell me .45 acp after a range trip, but that was because he new it was for my dad. Pretty damn ridiculous if you ask me.
The animal is within normal specs, with foreshortened photo-taking techniques. Someone is having fun making ridiculous claims.
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