The Sign Says: PLEASE DEPOSIT YOUR FIREARMS

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Markbo said:
...common sense carry regulations like no guns anywhere ...
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YIKES! Sarah Brady is here!!! Run for the ammo bunker!
There are no common sense carry regulations. Criminals will carry firearms no matter what the law says, that only disarms the law abiding. Common sense carry regulations are like Vermont, where the carrying of a firearm to commit a crime is against the law. That's about all the gun laws they have, and judging by them being 48th in the nation in violent crime, sounds like it's working.
Restricting law abiding activity in a vain attempt to gain safety and security destabilizes a society. Encouraging individual responsability for one's own safety, (as defined by current court decision, police are NOT responsable for your hinie.), and maximizing penalties for the criminals, will help.
IMHO, of course.
 
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Place of worship, hospital, or nursing home is prohibited
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Just took a renewal class last weekend. These places now must be posted with a 30.06 sign.

Government buildings must also be posted now (30.06), unless it's a court building (i.e. they have metal detectors)

a 51% establishment (bar) should be posted with a 51% sign, but their liquor license will have a red colored seal on it.

The "unlawful possession of a firearm" sign at most gas stations and convenience stores, DO NOT apply to CHL holders, because you are legally possessing it.

And for schools, only the buildings are prohibited. You can have your gun with you when you pick up your kids, or leave it in your car in the parking lot at the high school football game.
 
Sorry I didn't see any quote button... I am trying to understand your perspective here... if I refused to enter establishments that did not allow me to go armed, I would find it difficult to function.

I could not go into a gas station. I could not go into 99% of restaurants. I could not go into work. Do you live in a city so crimeridden that you don't feel safe ANYwhere?
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For that matter,why carry anywhere or why would you feel so unsafe in your own home that you need to have a gun to protect yourself?

While I have non-resident permit coverage,find it a major PITA to keep track of where I can and can't carry when I head south to visit family.Not into a bank or theatre in NC,has to be open at any place other than fast food in VA...not to mention having to look for signs.
 
There are stores near the state, municipal, and federal courts (no guns allowed) in downtown Detroit that rent safe space by the hour for guns. People check their guns there. (The walk from the store to the court can be harrowing.)
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Whoa, first I've heard of this... got a list you can PM my way? Sorry to get off-topic.
 
uuh huh... soooo... does anyone include their holster when they need to turn in their firearms? sorry guys i just want to know. thanks.
 
uuh huh... soooo... does anyone include their holster when they need to turn in their firearms? sorry guys i just want to know. thanks.
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I've never had to do this, but if I did, I guess it would depend on how easy it is to take off the holster.

If it's not too hard, I'd remove it too because it covers the trigger and may have retention, keeping the gun that much safer while it's out of my hands.
 
Ya know, Arizona seems like a better place to live with each passing day. I think I'm going to move there when I'm finished with college.
 
Orion... if you are going to quote me, at least do it correctly and not made up to make you sound better. I quite innocently asked some questions to better understand my fellow CHL's rules, regulations and mindset and you have chosen to turn it into a personal attack about my knowledge of Texas law, of which obviously I am not the only one that could use a refresher. Anyone who thinks they know it all, rarely does

I freely admit I am no expert. If you disagree with me, great. If you don't like what I do when I do it, you can go hammer your pud... I could care less. I am a member of the TSRA and apparently you need to go to TXCHL.com to see that it is no longer a functioning website. Now there IS a texaschlforum.com as well as a CHL section on the TX DPS website. But what do I know?

And finally, it is my right to legally carry a weapon in Texas and I will choose when and where I will do it... there is no contradiction.

armoredman: Of course you are correct, but we do not live in a vaccum. We do not live in a society that is 'as it should be' by my definition or yours. We live in a society that has many silly laws and to think there should be none, does not make that so.

I do think of some of them as common sense. It's obvious crooks will do what crooks will do, but is it out of the realm of just plain good sense that no visitor should be carrying a gun into court, or jail or school? Or to a Presidential debate? I don't think so. Whether it is against the law to 'carry a firearm to commit a crime' (and I am a little dubious of that language) I think is inconsequential since the act of commiting a crime with a firearm is already classified as a more serious crime. What good does making it illegal to carry it do?

Would it make drunk driving less of a national disgrace if we made it illegal to transport liquor in our bodies while driving? It seems a little silly to me since the whole idea of maximizing punishment to evildoers is not done in this country.

I hope we can continue to agree to disagree in a gentlemanly manner
 
you can go hammer your pud...
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...there is no contradiction...
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...I hope we can continue to agree to disagree in a gentlemanly manner
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:neener:Just a little fun with "out of context" quoting.:neener:


Ya know, Arizona seems like a better place to live with each passing day.
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I've had a CHL/CWP while living in AZ and TX. It is less restrictive to carry in AZ but TX is on the right path.

Hearsay Alert: Can anyone confirm this?
Gov. Perry is working on a carry everywhere program to enable CHL's to carry everywhere but areas restricted by the FED. (National Parks, Post office, etc...)


To the OP: Holster all the way.
 
I repeat... there is no contradiction.

I was speaking to two different persons. Jeeze... I've never had to do so much explaining of simple written english.
 
Simple

Most of those type signs that I have encountered are only in police
buildings, court houses, and a few other establishments. Of those,
most will have "lock boxes" with a key stuck in the lock. All one has
to do, is remove their weapon and place it inside one of the boxes,
secure the lock, remove the key, and continue on their way. Upon
leaving, don't forget to retrieve your weapon and return the key~!
 
Actually, no, Markbo, about the only place I can see a real lawful restriction is inside prison, unless your name is Carbine Williams.
Maybe a courtroom of an unusually violent trial, but schools? That's where the most vicious killings seem to occur, and they are already victim disarmament zones. No, 99% of all restricted areas need to be unrestricted, as it is a cold hard proven fact that criminals don't worry about a misdemeanor gun charge, (which is 90% pled away anyway), when they are about to commit felony crimes. It simply doesn't matter to them. If current laws were absolutely enforced, such as the 5 years for a felon-in-posession, and the sentence run consequetively, NOT concurrently as is the fashion, AND in a facility in a state other than where the crime occurred, (Fed, they can do that), then, only then, may you possibly see any deterrance at all. Doubt it, but maybe.

GuitarGod, all the freedoms of Florida plus more, and none of the skeeters, alligators, or hurricanes. C'mon down.
 
you can go hammer your pud...

...I hope we can continue to agree to disagree in a gentlemanly manner
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I hope you can START to disagree in a gentlemanly fashion.
Otherwise, your stay here may be short.
 
armordeman, I do certainly see your points. More to ponder... always something to learn from the thoughtful. But I have a hard time thinking that every child in a middle school should be packing or that everyone everywhere should be packing. I man it may sound overly innocent, but is that what we have come to? That every man, woman and child has to be carrying a loaded weapon 24/7?

Perhaps because I cannot and I do not that I don't see it quite the same as you. What is your background anyway? LEO, military, etc?



Orion... my stay here will be at my discretion. You are the one who attacked me and I simply didn't appreciate it. Your misquotes and using information out of context has given me an opinion of you and I am perfectly OK not disagreeing with you in any fashion so what you think of me means nada. It is people like you that run others out of fine forums like this. You had your after pull smoke yet?
 
First, Mark, no-one is advocating that everyone carry 24/7. However, taking the other extreme and saying that no-one should, is equally ludicrous, if not moreso. We have been sold enough "Reasonable resrictions" that have done nothing but disarm the good guys.

Orion... my stay here will be at my discretion. You are the one who attacked me and I simply didn't appreciate you chastising me. Your misquotes and using information out of context has given me an opinion of you and I am perfectly OK not disagreeing with you in any fashion so what you think of me means nada. You had your after pull smoke yet?
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Second, and make no mistake about this. Your stay here is at the discretion of the staff, and is contingent upon your ability to read, understand and comply with the rules here. I'd suggest that you go back and review same. And then go back and read your posts and my replies.
 
The Sign Says: PLEASE DEPOSIT YOUR FIREARMS

So do you include the holster?
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I surely would. I used to work at a place where you'd check your gun, and they asked for you to leave it holstered.

But more than that, taking out my gun outside my home or a range kind of goes against my grain. It just doesn't feel right.

Leave it in the holster... simpler and safer, IMO.
 
luckily, i live in PA, where there are very few restrictions on where i can carry. the county courthouse sheriff deputies will hold my gun for me if i need them to, and if i need to go into a school, which is rarely, i can just lock it up in the car. as for businesses and such with no gun policies, i always take one of two actions: i either ignore their signs, and carry anyway, or they don't get my business. thankfully, such places and events are rare.
 
So do you include the holster?
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I usually only deposit my firearm into an arms' locker at places that require it be stored in such a manner while I am therein, and not my holster too. My gun goes in loaded and comes out loaded unless they have an unloading/loading station and they require it to be unloaded when in the lock box.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Orion - make no mistake about it. I fully intend to honor all the rules, so your threat was taken as idle as they come.

I am kind of curious now though... do you think you are some kind of big wig around here or something? You a Moderator or just a Moderator wannabe?
 
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