"The Stinger"

[inertia47]

I picked up a Winchester M92 in 32-20 last week and after cleaning found "The Stinger" stamped on the barrel. The serial number indicates 1903 manufacture. The barrel is somewhat shorter than my other '92's but not as short as the carbine I have in 25-20.

What is the significance of the stamping?

 

[rcmodel]

One of many exported to Australia.
The Stinger with wasp logo was a trademark of the Perry Brothers of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

I know how they got over there.
But I don't know how they got back over here??

Maybe there was a contract over-run, or they backed out on the deal and Winchester sold a few in the U.S.?

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Wi...tinger-Aussie-Winchester.cfm?gun_id=100379001

rc

 

[inertia47]

The Stinger

Thanks RC, I am actually in Australia and only about 250km from Brisbane so it has not travelled very far in 110 years. On the left of the words there appears to be a wasp.

 

[Gun Master]

Stinger

Please excuse my lack of knowledge (ignorance), but I thought your (Australians') guns were all confiscated after the notorious "SKS Killer" event . Please enlighten me . Thanks and "G'day Mate" .

 

[inertia47]

The conservative government introduced new laws which meant that apart from being properly licenced (police checks etc) we must register each and every firearm we own. Should we wish to add another gun we must apply for a Permit to Acquire and then wait for it to be issued before picking it up. This process is cumbersome and some States take weeks to issue permits. We are also restricted to rhe type of firearm we can own according to the Class of licence we hold. Semi-autos are restricted to Primary Producers and licenced professional vertebrate pest shooters. Autos rifles and shotguns are very difficult to obtain legally and are severely restricted to professional shooters.

Any slight infringement of conditions can result in loss of licence and confiscation of guns. Safekeeping of firearms is enforced by police inspection of gunsafes and lock-up requirements. At the same time the police may check each gun and serial number against their list of what you should have - often inaccurate!

The whole system sucks since each State Firearms Registry operates independently and their efficiency varies from 'ho-hum" to totally "stuffed".

We now have to show our licence when we purchase ammo or powder and this is recorded at the LGS.

I am in favour of licencing and police checks but the rest is simply bureaucratic nonsense since crimes comitted with firearms are, in reality, carried out by unlicenced people with unregistered firearms smuggled into the country through loose borders. I am also in favour of the requirement for gunsafes as they help to prevent theft. However, the Firearms Registries hold lists of gun owners which are held insecurely and have been blamed for thefts since the lists have found their way into the hahds of "undesirables".

On my current shooters licence I can own rimfire and centrefire rifles (non auto/semi-auto) and shotguns. I may hold semi-autos on my "Collectors Licence" but cannot shoot them.

There are some differences between State regulations despite the John Howard government proclaiming 'national' gun laws. There are far more regulations but that is the gist of the laws.

 

[Gun Master]

Stinger et al

The conservative government introduced new laws which meant that apart from being properly licenced (police checks etc) we must register each and every firearm we own. Should we wish to add another gun we must apply for a Permit to Acquire and then wait for it to be issued before picking it up. This process is cumbersome and some States take weeks to issue permits. We are also restricted to rhe type of firearm we can own according to the Class of licence we hold. Semi-autos are restricted to Primary Producers and licenced professional vertebrate pest shooters. Autos rifles and shotguns are very difficult to obtain legally and are severely restricted to professional shooters.

Any slight infringement of conditions can result in loss of licence and confiscation of guns. Safekeeping of firearms is enforced by police inspection of gunsafes and lock-up requirements. At the same time the police may check each gun and serial number against their list of what you should have - often inaccurate!

The whole system sucks since each State Firearms Registry operates independently and their efficiency varies from 'ho-hum" to totally "stuffed".

We now have to show our licence when we purchase ammo or powder and this is recorded at the LGS.

I am in favour of licencing and police checks but the rest is simply bureaucratic nonsense since crimes comitted with firearms are, in reality, carried out by unlicenced people with unregistered firearms smuggled into the country through loose borders. I am also in favour of the requirement for gunsafes as they help to prevent theft. However, the Firearms Registries hold lists of gun owners which are held insecurely and have been blamed for thefts since the lists have found their way into the hahds of "undesirables".

On my current shooters licence I can own rimfire and centrefire rifles (non auto/semi-auto) and shotguns. I may hold semi-autos on my "Collectors Licence" but cannot shoot them.

There are some differences between State regulations despite the John Howard government proclaiming 'national' gun laws. There are far more regulations but that is the gist of the laws.

Wow! I am so sorry things turned out the way they did. At least you have "some" freedom to own firearms and a little leeway. We (Americans) feel a kinship and brotherhood toward you and your countrymen. Hope you and other honest citizens will see conditions improve in this area. The best to you!

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Well, the Australian government did take about 640,000 registered pump-action and lever-action long guns back in 1996 because of that Tasmanian massacre with similar guns. But they paid the owners fair market price and I believe gun ownership is actually up in Australia. A lot of folks replaced their "bought back" guns with non-banned types.

 

[Radagast]

'Fair market price' is still robbery at gun point if the item was never for sale in the first place.
Many of us did replace our firearms, but roughly half the shooters did not.

Mandatory storage in a safe was and is only about prevention of self defense with a firearm.
'Safe inspections' are a form of thuggery, a home search without a warrant intended to find evidence to charge the gun owner. Twice I have been inspected where the police stated they were not interested in the construction of the safe or how it was secured, which is what the law allows the inspection for. They were only interested in verifying the serial numbers on my guns, whether I had any unregistered and whether I had ammunition with them, which would have resulted in a charge.

I have been told, but don't have documents to verify, that there have been guns stolen on several occasions in one police command after the local cops have inspected the safe - verifying where it was to break in.

I know one dealer who was told to remove his private collection from his house because the Firearms Registry had been compromised and a shopping list distributed to organized crime.

Basically gun control is fascism.

Back in 1996 I had dropped out of shooting and given away or sold my collection when the new rules came in. I went and bought a new rifle on the last day before all licenses were cancelled, and ended up in no particular order a rifle club captain, pistol club secretary, IPSC state secretary, range officer and representative for the shooting sports at both the State & Federal ministerial level.
I wonder what I would have done with my life if I hadn't felt the need to resist government oppression.

 

[Radagast]

Oh, if its not obvious, I am an Aussie.

 

[rcmodel]

Fooled me all this time!!

BTW: There is a place in the 'User options' where you can put in at least what country you are in!!

It sometimes simplifies questions & answers to know at least what part of the world you are from!!

<<<<
See, I'm in Eastern Kansas, somewhere?

And you are a total enigma as to where you live!!

rc

 

[Sam1911]

RC??? His tag says Australia...right where yours says Eastern KS.

 

[Radagast]

RC: Just updated it.

Sam1911: Must be a Mod thing based on IP. I'd never filled that part of my profile in.

 

[rcmodel]

Yep!
Must be a mod thing.

It didn't say anything until just now.
Now it does!!

Thanks Radagast!!!

rc

 

[Gun Master]

Restrictive Gun Laws in Australia

'Fair market price' is still robbery at gun point if the item was never for sale in the first place.
Many of us did replace our firearms, but roughly half the shooters did not.

Mandatory storage in a safe was and is only about prevention of self defense with a firearm.
'Safe inspections' are a form of thuggery, a home search without a warrant intended to find evidence to charge the gun owner. Twice I have been inspected where the police stated they were not interested in the construction of the safe or how it was secured, which is what the law allows the inspection for. They were only interested in verifying the serial numbers on my guns, whether I had any unregistered and whether I had ammunition with them, which would have resulted in a charge.

I have been told, but don't have documents to verify, that there have been guns stolen on several occasions in one police command after the local cops have inspected the safe - verifying where it was to break in.

I know one dealer who was told to remove his private collection from his house because the Firearms Registry had been compromised and a shopping list distributed to organized crime.

Basically gun control is fascism.

Back in 1996 I had dropped out of shooting and given away or sold my collection when the new rules came in. I went and bought a new rifle on the last day before all licenses were cancelled, and ended up in no particular order a rifle club captain, pistol club secretary, IPSC state secretary, range officer and representative for the shooting sports at both the State & Federal ministerial level.
I wonder what I would have done with my life if I hadn't felt the need to resist government oppression.

Bravo for you! Perhaps decent strong-willed people like you will be able to accomplish a positive "turn around" in the obtrusive gun laws in Australia. I (and others) will be praying for you in your efforts.

 

[bainter1212]

I heard that New Zealand is the last bastion of relatively free gun ownership in that part of the world.

It's a shame that someone like me can buy any old Lithgow rifle with almost no restrictions while someone "down under" has to jump through ridiculous hoops just to own and shoot a rifle their grandfather may very well have used to keep the Japanese from invading his homeland.

 

[Radagast]

New Zealand is somewhat more rational. Not perfect by a long shot, but rational. Suppressors are legal for example. They are considered good manners. Their police force does continue to wage a war on gun ownership, mainly through promoting 'black rifle' and magazine restrictions. Because the population is much more rural/small town in its distribution the people are more connected to shooting as a social good.

Here in Australia I live in a city that has 63% of the states population and the mass media ensures that all coverage of firearms is is negative and normally associated with a violent criminal sub class of one minority ethnic group. Does that play book sound familiar?

Anyhoo, we have veered way off track from inertia47's original inquiry.

Hey mate, remember: 'This thread is worthless without pics!' Hint hint!

 

[inertia47]

Both Radagast and I omitted to mention that before a firearms licence can be obtained we must provide a "genuine reason" for having one. In the case of rural dwellers with a property we can use vermin extermination as a reason. For those city dwellers, they must be a member of a club (target or hunting) and the hunters must produce a letter from an appropriate landholder giving permission to shoot on that property. There are also rather stringent rules governing what we may import from your country, even regulating the import of empty cases and reloading dies. There is a slight concession in respect of guns manufactured prior to 1900 AND for which no commercial ammunition is available (all within the opinion of the Commissioner of Police).

Any person may take out an Apprehended Violence Order against another person - whether or not it has legal merit - and that person's licence is suspended and firearms confiscated by the police. Eventually, if the AVO is determined to be unfounded and after a great deal of trouble, the licence may be restored and the guns returned - usually in a fairly dismal condition.

SAD, SAD, SAD - but when we are invaded I'll be ready with my Martini Enfields and Cadet rifles!!!

 

[Gun Master]

Are things "better" or "worse", in your sphere of the gun world, since Dec. 2013 ?

 

[Jim K]

And some nasty-minded folks still wonder if the Australian government set up and carried out that massacre in order to get those laws passed.

Jim

 

[Radagast]

Nope. The current conservative PM is an anti, but dependent on some pro-gun minor party senators to get his legislation through, so he will not be pushing gun control.
The left wing opposition parties have started a senate inquiry into guns in Australia, but I believe it is just posturing as they usually need the pro- gun senators on side if they want to block the governments legislation.
So no changes at this point in time.