The story behind the Mini-14 ... very interesting!

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You could have simply called and complained. I have no doubt they would have sent you a 20 rounder based on my experience with Ruger.
That happened almost 30 years ago & Bill Ruger was calling the shots. If you wanted to keep your job you followed his orders. He took his stance & I took mine. I have not bought or recommended any Ruger product, other than the Old Army to anyone.
 
Yeah... Chuck Hawks anecdote of ONE fluke group shooting .77” has been enough evidence to lure lots of unwitting buyers into a pit of disappointment...
IMHO, whoever buys a lightweight, quick-handling carbine on the premise of more accuracy that can be achieved in field conditions, shooting offhand or from a makeshift support, is fooling himself. Or doesn't, on the premise of there lack of for that matter. Not that it couldn't be achieved with simple gunsmithing if one absolutely insists, but still...
 
"The only large LE agencies I know of off hand who bought a lot of Mini-14's are the Ca Dept of Corrections and the SB County Sheriff's Department. And that was 25+ years ago, long before the AR-15 was found in every patrol car.

A bunch came out a few years ago from Arizona, I think Pima County. Local dealer had a pile of them it took years for him to sell so there was at least one other. No idea how long ago AZ bought them. I should have gotten one as I love AZ but passed as I didn't want another platform.
 
Re Post 75- I checked with a friend. Ruger does not sell thousands of Mini to overseas PDs & armies.
Offshore activity does not drive Mini-14 sales.
Denis
 
Never been disappointed with mine. Works well in NY. Like any tool in the box, it earns its own spot. It also has a very interesting history.
 
But it doesn’t stop gunshop commandoes or internet quarterbacks from propagating the legend to support their interest in their mini’s.

What is the reality of overseas sales? Never heard that one before, ever. Where are they selling them besides the US? Someone mentioned the UK. I always thought they were mostly for domestic consumption.
 
They HAVE sold overseas during the years, but NOT selling thousands to PDs & armies. :)
Denis
 
What is the reality of overseas sales? Never heard that one before, ever. Where are they selling them besides the US? Someone mentioned the UK. I always thought they were mostly for domestic consumption.

They are mostly for domestic consumption.
 

France is poor evidence of overseas proliferation of Mini-14 LE use. Recognizing the typical French police officer does not carry ANY firearm, in its country of ~150,000 officers - about as many as California and New York States, for perspective, or somewhere between 1/10th to 1/8th the number of US LEO’s. There are also reports, the Mini’s in French inventory were purchased in the 1970’s, with no reports on current delivery in modern competition with AR platforms.

Mini’s are out there in law enforcement use, even some in LE use in the US. But it’s naiive to pretend there’s a huge Mini-14 presence in any military or LE use, especially in modern era.
 
My agency (TVA) rounded up all their odds and sods of plant defense weapons* from 50+ years and traded them in on Ruger AC556s - selective fire Minis.
The local district's instructor said that to save $50 a gun vs M16s, the agency had bought a sporting rifle faked up to look like a military weapon. He said they did not hold up in sustained full auto shooting called for in training nuke and chemical plant guards; broken bolts being the usual failure.

I had a Mini, and had a better barrel and 4 lb trigger installed. Pretty accurate, I think it would have made MOA if I had included glass bedding. The tuned trigger was great for position shooting but hunker down on a bench and it was very subject to milking off doubles.

Jan Stevenson, good Alabama boy then editing The Handgunner, Ltd. in Essex, England, said he got two separate letters from Ruger about the demise of the XGI project. One said that the rifle was accurate but insufficiently reliable and durable; the other said the gun would shoot but not accurately enough to put in the product lineup. He concluded that it was neither functional nor accurate and that he had for some reason gotten notification of both faults separately.

*I saw Thompsons, Reisings, M12s, M97s, M73s, M92s, and M94s. And that doesn't include all sorts of sporting guns confiscated from hunters on the local reservation.
 
I have no dog in the hunt. Just find it interesting as to who was using them and when. I never considered it a purely military arm. It is a nice farm/ranch/hunting rifle. I am looking to get one in .223 to join my mini 30 and mini 6.8. Thanks.
 
I never saw a French policeman without a hand gun...or heard of one. One night in Paris I even got to examine the front end of two .32 PPks and it wasn't even my fault. Perhaps French Police outside Paris are frequently unarmed but I did not see small towns.

While I was stationed in West Germany I had any number of US troops tell me the German Police were not armed. Most in the South where I was simply carried concealed under their uniform jacket which had a split in the Skirt of the jacket to allow them to reach their flap holstered PP or PPk. I knew a few that carried P38s that way. I was back in Germany during the change over from .32 to 9x19 and once again heard GIs insist the Police were unarmed like the traditional British "Bobby" this was total BS. One Plain Clothes guy I worked with carried a Colt Commander in .45ACP. Besides a firearm most of those police carried some sort of impact weapon under their coat as well and were VERY QUICK to use them. Motorcycle cops in Hesse did carry openly in a flap holster and wore a neat green leather suit. Most departments had access to either MP5s or Uzi SMGs and the G1 variant of the FN FAL. Some two man cars had a vertical rack for an MP5 much like the front seat shotgun rack in an American Cruiser.

-kBob
 
A bunch came out a few years ago from Arizona, I think Pima County. Local dealer had a pile of them it took years for him to sell so there was at least one other. No idea how long ago AZ bought them. I should have gotten one as I love AZ but passed as I didn't want another platform.
T.V.A. used minis for nuclear power plant guards. I got beater folding stock government model with TVA marking for $125.00. Loaned it to my Dad who had it stolen from his truck while working outside Knoxville Tn.
 
Am I the only one on here familiar with the Winchester Light Weight Military Rifle of the 1957 trials?

The same trials that saw the introduction of a scaled down AR-10 called the AR15 were mainly against a rifle that at least looked like a Mini-14 though was something more like an M1 Carbine. It had a carbine style trigger group and a carbine style tappet style gas system.

It also featured a … wait for it... pencil weight barrel ( it even had lightening slots or grooves where the mini barrel was thickest) to make a five pound with unloaded magazine weight.

Because of this light weight barrel it also suffered from inaccuracy in the form of wandering shots as the barrel heated up.(lets not get into the fact that so did the pencil barrel AR15s and that using a sling or bipod could give you a significantly different zero than that rifle over the sand bag back in basic you did)

Anyhow ten years before the Army actually adopted the AR15 as the Service rifle in 1967 as the M16A1 (limited standard status along side the M-14 even earlier in 1964) and 14 years before Bill Ruger showed his Mini-14 to gun writers, the Army had already turned down something much like his Mini in favor of the AR15.

I will say after my three years of bad experiences with the pencil barreled XM16E1 and its approved after adoption name of M16A1that when I finally got a Mini in hand in 1976 I was all for the mini. It needed some improvments back then, many of which have, a mere forty years later, been addressed, mainly the sights and barrel, but also the gas system port size.

Before I upset the Mini owners let me say I have no issues with anyone wanting or using a mini, the security force at at least one reactor facility I know of used them BTW, I will say that In that decade I eventually settled for NEITHER rifle.

I thought after research then and after trying them that the AR-180 was a better combat and sport rifle than either the SP1 or Mini-14. It was far more reliable in my experience than the M16A1 or SP1 and more accurate than the Mini-14.

Unfortunately few seemed to agree with me and except for a few fits and starts here and there (and why did the later Armalite in name only bugger it up?) the AR 180 fell by the wayside and watched the AR and the Mini troop on as it lay in the dust.

In the early 1980s while on duty in Germany I had no assigned rifle. As HHB Divarty XO I had a jeep and trailer in the field and of course my own personal car when not on duty. Packed away in my alert bag for "go to war" calls was a broken down Mini-14 and three 20 round magazines and a five rounder. Go figure.

Today I do own and use an M4gery in preference to a 1970's era Mini, times and things change.

I will say that comparing a new made M4gery (even a PSA Kit on a "whatever" lower) to a 1973 Mini 14 is pretty silly. How about you guys try comparing a Mini to a 1970 XM-177E3 or early "old Sarge" 16 inch(the only thing out there was pencil barrel) "CAR15" kit gun? I assure you the Mini does not look near as bad compared to those.

-kBob
Hmmmm, I just re-read the Army report on the Winchester Small Caliber Lightweight Rifle. I did not see anything in it about stringing or wandering.

If fact, I found this:

The test [Winchester] and control [M14] rifles are comparable in semi-automatic fire....

The test and control rifles are comparable in automatic fire accuracy.

The report is "Evaluation of Small Caliber High Velocity Rifles - Winchester" dated 14 July 1958.

What the Army was not pleased with was the reliability, but seeing the compressed time frame the rifle was designed and build in, that's not surprising.....
 
I purchased a mini 14 with folding stock many years ago--I traded it for a ranch rifle- it felt better on the rifle range.
Cops made me get a pistol permit to purchase folding stock rifle--they called one day & told me to bring it down to the station.
I asked why--they got nasty--"" how long is the gun"
i told them from the spec sheet---''BRING IT DOWN"
Sorry fellas i sold it ""you better have all the proper papers for the sale"---I did & they were mad as hell
I love cops--MOST OF THE TIME.
 
I purchased a mini 14 with folding stock many years ago--I traded it for a ranch rifle- it felt better on the rifle range.
Cops made me get a pistol permit to purchase folding stock rifle--they called one day & told me to bring it down to the station.
I asked why--they got nasty--"" how long is the gun"
i told them from the spec sheet---''BRING IT DOWN"
Sorry fellas i sold it ""you better have all the proper papers for the sale"---I did & they were mad as hell
I love cops--MOST OF THE TIME.
Surprising what a badge, a gun, and a little bit of authority does to one’s ego and attitude!
 
For me, It was the tweaking/adjusting of the A collet for a firm grip on a bullet, to hold the weight of the bullets stacked in the tube.

Absolutely. Don’t worry, if she is like my wife she will understand. I swear that lady could wear a different pair of shoes and clothing, for a year and not wear the same thing twice.

I blow money of other things I like and wear shirts I bought last century.
 
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