The Ultimate Muzzleloader

[ZWCoffindaffer]

http://ultimatemuzzleloader.com/

I know I'm probably talking about old news, but has anyone else seen or shot this thing. I cant help but be impressed by their claims, even though I would never pay $1000 for a muzzleloader. I guess it would be a pretty nice rig for someone who can only hunt blackpowder, though it seems to take the primitive out of primitive weapons season

 

[midland man]

wow is this in production? as I saw a date on there for 2014!

 

[jerkface11]

Savage has or had one like that but you could shoot smokeless in it!!

 

[Panzerschwein]

Wow.

Where do we draw the line?

What's next, a "muzzleloader" that is semi-auto? These things are invented only for those who want to hunt deer out of rifle season. They are "muzzleloaders" for people who don't like muzzleloaders.

 

[jerkface11]

I'm sure the flintlock purists say that about percussion guns, and the matchlock fanboys say that about the flintlocks.

 

[Crawdad1]

Wow.

Where do we draw the line?

What's next, a "muzzleloader" that is semi-auto? These things are invented only for those who want to hunt deer out of rifle season. They are "muzzleloaders" for people who don't like muzzleloaders.

I agree wholeheartedly with Cooldill. The "ultimate muzzleloader" they sure do use that term 'MUZZLELOADER' awful loosely.

I don't know what that thing is but THIS is a muzzleloader,

http://www.allenmartinrifles.net/gallery-of-guns-2/a-h-rupp-influenced-rifle/

or this,

http://www.allenmartinrifles.net/gallery-of-guns/herman-rupp-rifle-lehigh-valley/

 

[jerkface11]

You load it from the muzzle.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Wow.

Where do we draw the line?

What's next, a "muzzleloader" that is semi-auto? These things are invented only for those who want to hunt deer out of rifle season. They are "muzzleloaders" for people who don't like muzzleloaders.

And folks who use traditional bows take umbrage at compound bows and both take offense at crossbows...

It's a personal choice to hunt with the gear you want to, and can, hunt with but I often recall a line I read once.
"The Law allows what Honor would prevent."

 

[fogg64]

Just adding another component (brass case) to an inline. 300 yard? almost as good as 1000 yards being done with caplocks.

 

[4v50 Gary]

No sliding wood patchbox or brass patchbox. Pass.

 

[ROAshooter]

it really seems to be a slap in the face of "primitive season hunting".....whats next?.... poly framed BP...to avoid corrosion for those too lazy or uninterested in cleaning....

where do you mount the laser range finder??

 

[dickydalton]

I'll tell you what's next. Muzzleloaders will be re-classified and ruled to be firearms and therefore subject to the same Federal and State regulations that an AR-15 is. The Minnesota Supreme Court is about to make a ruling that may mean that BB guns are firearms, too. So, all of you bird hunters, pellet gun folks and black powder enthusiasts that didn't care if ARs, AKs, SKSs, handguns and such were outlawed are about to get a taste of what happens when there is no one left to stand up for you.:banghead:

Executive Orders suck.

 

[Crawdad1]

Those 'things' are already considered firearms in Pennsylvania and therefore subject to all Federal FFL regulations. That's why I'm real wary about them as they're getting to close and may start getting the Feds attention.

 

[dubbleA]

Anyone have one or knows if they will fit in Accuracy International chassis like a regular M700 does? You could use the mag to store extra premade loads

 

[Elkins45]

Those 'things' are already considered firearms in Pennsylvania and therefore subject to all Federal FFL regulations. That's why I'm real wary about them as they're getting to close and may start getting the Feds attention.

Pennsylvania isn't writing federal law. They aren't subject to Federal FFL regulations, they are subject to Pennsylvania regulations that happen to mirror federal FFL regulations.

Muzzleloading rifles still aren't "firearms" in most of the free states. I can call up Cabela's today and have the post office deliver one to my door with no FFL or 4473 form.

Does anybody remember the first iteration of the Savage 10ML? It had a primer holding thingie you inserted in the breech. ATF made them sell them as "firearms" and that is one of the reasons we have the 10MLII that seated the 209 primer directly into a breech plug. Personally I would much rather have the Savage smokeless gun that this thing that uses rifle primers and brass cases. It's still black powder only, and still a pain to clean. Oh, and it also still loads from the muzzle.

 

[4v50 Gary]

That AA stock would be stronger than a wood one for the Ferugson. They always cracked around the lock or wrist. Ahh, synthetic stocked, adjustable LoP and cheekpiece for a flintlock.

Telescoping stocks were not unknown but not frequent for some flintlocks.

 

[3212]

Reinventing the wheel?

 

[Cowhide Cliff]

They've been out a while and other than the primer it uses and the method they are using to hold the primer it's not all that different from any other modern inline bolt gun. Knight and I think others that used a little plastic holder to hold the 209 shotgun primer. This one just uses a brass case to hold the primer.

Remington has already made a 700 Muzzleloader, Savage and others have made bolt muzzleloaders too. You still have to load it from the muzzle.

I have a Remington 700 Muzzleloader that uses a 209 shotgun primer in the breach plug. Other than maybe keeping more fouling out of the bolt area this gun has no real advantage over the ones Remington discontinued.

 

[Jim Watson]

A friend was just yesterday talking about his friend Joe and his Revolutionary War veteran ancestor and gunmaker, Joseph Bogle jr. They belong to a little muzzleloading club where inlines are not permitted and flintlocks are preferred. Although I am not into muzzleloading, they sound like My Kind of People.

On the other hand, there are parts of the country - like this one - with large, even excessive deer populations. Less restrictions on muzzleloading and archery seasons are an easy way for the fish and game departments to kill more without having to involve the legislature. Easier to use muzzleloaders and compound bows get more people involved. Mississippi even allows single shot breechloaders as "primitive weapons."

 

[eastbank]

in pa.some muzzle loaders need to be run thru a ffl, they are the ones that can be converted to a cartige firearm. TC encore-contender framed guns and now alot of muzzle loaders by cva-rossi and others can be converted by just replacing the barrles. top muzzle loader needs a ffl, the next two don,t. eastbank.

 

[midland man]

eastbank I have a question that muzzleloader in the middle what kind of action does that one have as I have never seen one like that before?? it looks very cool to me!!

 

[Elkins45]

in pa.some muzzle loaders need to be run thru a ffl, they are the ones that can be converted to a cartige firearm. TC encore-contender framed guns and now alot of muzzle loaders by cva-rossi and others can be converted by just replacing the barrles. top muzzle loader needs a ffl, the next two don,t. eastbank.

That's everywhere, not just PA. Any sort of switch barrel frame that interchangeable centerfire barrels are made for is a "firearm" and requires a 4473.

Isn't PA the state that requires flintlocks and round balls for hunting?

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

eastbank I have a question that muzzleloader in the middle what kind of action does that one have as I have never seen one like that before?? it looks very cool to me!!

I'm not eastbank but it looks like a side lock percussion lock. Also known as a "mule ear" or "side slapper" lock.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

When semi smokeless powders first came along, there were some very low pressure powders that were shot in percussion guns. Frankly, there is nothing "Ultimate" about them. Just re-engineered old ideas for those who want to push the "easy button" instead of shoot a real gun.

 

[eastbank]

midlandman, its a older navy arms mule ear rifle. shanghia, in pa. we must use flintlocks in the primitive deer season, but can use any projectiles, powerbelts,conicals or sabots and use open or peep sights. eastbank.