the urban battlefield
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fresh fruit
Idle (Welsh): Like someone who attacks you with a pointed stick?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves
against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh
fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad.
When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes
after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now,
the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion
fruit...
All: We done the passion fruit.
Sgt.: What?
Chapman: We done the passion fruit.
Palin: We done oranges, apples, grapefruit...
Jones: Whole and segments.
Palin: Pomegranates, greengages...
Chapman: Grapes, passion fruit...
Palin: Lemons...
Jones: Plums...
Chapman: Mangoes in syrup...
Sgt.: How about cherries?
All: We did them.
Sgt.: Red *and* black?
All: Yes!
Sgt.: All right, bananas.
Rolled news paper, boot lace, walking stick/cane alum. filled with .....
Just look at what prisoners have fashend for years...tooth brush up close glass oh man If TSA ever
gets the fruit list we are had.....
Idle (Welsh): Like someone who attacks you with a pointed stick?
Sgt.: Pointed stick? Oh, oh, oh. We want to learn how to defend ourselves
against pointed sticks, do we? Getting all high and mighty, eh? Fresh
fruit not good enough for you eh? Well I'll tell you something my lad.
When you're walking home tonight and some great homicidal maniac comes
after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come crying to me! Now,
the passion fruit. When your assailant lunges at you with a passion
fruit...
All: We done the passion fruit.
Sgt.: What?
Chapman: We done the passion fruit.
Palin: We done oranges, apples, grapefruit...
Jones: Whole and segments.
Palin: Pomegranates, greengages...
Chapman: Grapes, passion fruit...
Palin: Lemons...
Jones: Plums...
Chapman: Mangoes in syrup...
Sgt.: How about cherries?
All: We did them.
Sgt.: Red *and* black?
All: Yes!
Sgt.: All right, bananas.
Rolled news paper, boot lace, walking stick/cane alum. filled with .....
Just look at what prisoners have fashend for years...tooth brush up close glass oh man If TSA ever
gets the fruit list we are had.....
Kaylee
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Hunh.. and here given the thread title I thought it was gonna be about mortars, grenades, Heavy MGs, Predators.. way to kill a thread Cypher.
Owen.. is that the bow you're talking about that ain't that silent, or is it all the screeching and hollering that comes after someone getting stuck with an arrow?
And yeah, I'd say Americans in general and THRers (and TFLers, and etc etc etc) are pretty well versed in other instruments of um.... forceful persuasion.
America.. the only nation in recorded history to go from barbarism to decadence with no intervening culture.
Owen.. is that the bow you're talking about that ain't that silent, or is it all the screeching and hollering that comes after someone getting stuck with an arrow?
And yeah, I'd say Americans in general and THRers (and TFLers, and etc etc etc) are pretty well versed in other instruments of um.... forceful persuasion.
America.. the only nation in recorded history to go from barbarism to decadence with no intervening culture.
10-Ring
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I would look at another American classic...the Louiville Slugger - aluminum or wood
Owen
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Kaylee,
maybe the bow I was shooting was poorly tuned, but it definately made a bit of noise. It's been a while since I've done any archery, I just remember thinkng that the neighbors would definately know I was up to something in the backyard.
Then of course, there is the hollering and screaming...
maybe the bow I was shooting was poorly tuned, but it definately made a bit of noise. It's been a while since I've done any archery, I just remember thinkng that the neighbors would definately know I was up to something in the backyard.
Then of course, there is the hollering and screaming...
progunner1957
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Gives new meaning to "Tool Time"
Okay, now that we have that taken care of...
Cypher Junkie,
I have often thought that a tool belt with ordinary tools would make a fearsome non-gun <but still deadly> collection of weapons.
6" to 8" long screwdriver = stabbing weapon
claw hammer = impact weapon
box cutter = cutting weapon
(You get the idea...)
Next time some thug tries to rob you, smack him anywhere in the head with a claw hammer - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! (you)...
Just don't be there when "the authorities" arrive.
Also, +1 on what someone said about the good old Louisville Slugger - I'd probably go with wood. A big Mag Light - 4 to 6 "D" cell size - also makes a really swell defensive weapon, especially when applied full steam to the attacker's kneecap.
LOL!!! "Is that a longbow in your pants, or are you just REALLY glad to see me?"
Okay, now that we have that taken care of...
Cypher Junkie,
I have often thought that a tool belt with ordinary tools would make a fearsome non-gun <but still deadly> collection of weapons.
6" to 8" long screwdriver = stabbing weapon
claw hammer = impact weapon
box cutter = cutting weapon
(You get the idea...)
Next time some thug tries to rob you, smack him anywhere in the head with a claw hammer - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! (you)...
Just don't be there when "the authorities" arrive.
Also, +1 on what someone said about the good old Louisville Slugger - I'd probably go with wood. A big Mag Light - 4 to 6 "D" cell size - also makes a really swell defensive weapon, especially when applied full steam to the attacker's kneecap.
wingnutx
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ball peen hammer in an inside coat pocket.
works well with levi jackets.
works well with levi jackets.
Fosbery
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Unless he has a good reason to be carrying those tools (like building work) then he'll get done for carrying an offensive weapon (or twelve). Even if he is doing building work, if he had an opportunity to leave them in his van or whatever, he could still get done.
There really isn't much you can get away with carrying every day in the UK. A torch, like I said, makes a great kubaton and I used to get into clubs and bars with a Maglite no problem. A can ok coke (or similar non-alcoholic beverage in a can) can be carried. Keep a pair of walking socks in your pocket and when needs be you can combine the two into a deadly...hitty-swingy-thing-of-death (to give it its technical name), but this does take a few moments to prepare and is quite bulky - I prefer the Maglite. If you keep your keys on a carabiner you can use that as a makeshift knuckleduster. An really good quality, solid umbrella (or a purpose built self-defence umbrella) is a great weapon. Walking sticks and canes however, can only be carried if you have a medical reason for doing so (yes, it is THAT bad).
There really isn't much you can get away with carrying every day in the UK. A torch, like I said, makes a great kubaton and I used to get into clubs and bars with a Maglite no problem. A can ok coke (or similar non-alcoholic beverage in a can) can be carried. Keep a pair of walking socks in your pocket and when needs be you can combine the two into a deadly...hitty-swingy-thing-of-death (to give it its technical name), but this does take a few moments to prepare and is quite bulky - I prefer the Maglite. If you keep your keys on a carabiner you can use that as a makeshift knuckleduster. An really good quality, solid umbrella (or a purpose built self-defence umbrella) is a great weapon. Walking sticks and canes however, can only be carried if you have a medical reason for doing so (yes, it is THAT bad).
MudPuppy
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In boot camp we went through about a thousand amnesty closets to dump any dope and weapons. All weapons. No pocket knives. No pen knives. NO WEAPONS.
Then they issued everyone e-tools. Only one incident that I know of, but it was a doozy. A sgt major's son, as I recall laid some recruit out.
Then they issued everyone e-tools. Only one incident that I know of, but it was a doozy. A sgt major's son, as I recall laid some recruit out.
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car heater hose
filled with sand and plogged oth ends and folded over. used to be considered a deadly weapon but you can pull plugs dump sand and cover up. easy off oven cleaner is nasty
filled with sand and plogged oth ends and folded over. used to be considered a deadly weapon but you can pull plugs dump sand and cover up. easy off oven cleaner is nasty
rangerruck
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I carry a 22 short in my car sometimes, arguably the weakest gun ever made. IIf I ever use a gun, it is not to kill , but to get someone else away from me, so i can get away from them.
I also carry in by car, several steel flashlights, about a 10 inch piece of solid iron bar, and I have a pocket knife. I consider everything i can hold, even my keys, as a potential weapon.
I also carry in by car, several steel flashlights, about a 10 inch piece of solid iron bar, and I have a pocket knife. I consider everything i can hold, even my keys, as a potential weapon.
Dan Forrester
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Microwaves ovens are everywhere and easily converted into a weapon. The magnetron fires a very concentrated beem when out of it’s housing. Just use your imagination.
Dan
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Well, if you're telling me its social collapse and I need a weapon other than a gun, then my fiberglass recurve will probably get me into more trouble than it could get me out of.
I'd want something I can hide so that I can still take advantage of civilization where it still stands, ie get food without getting disarmed. In my heavy winter coat, I could probably hide a 20" machete reasonably well. That would be my biggest weapon. If I was in so much trouble that I can't get out of it with that, I probably should have a) watched my mouth, b) watched where I was going, or c) gotten lucky.
A machete is a good weapon in an uncivilized place. Countries in africa still have wars with them because they don't have guns either. Besides, to friendly strangers passing out food, a bow just screams nutcase.
I'd want something I can hide so that I can still take advantage of civilization where it still stands, ie get food without getting disarmed. In my heavy winter coat, I could probably hide a 20" machete reasonably well. That would be my biggest weapon. If I was in so much trouble that I can't get out of it with that, I probably should have a) watched my mouth, b) watched where I was going, or c) gotten lucky.
A machete is a good weapon in an uncivilized place. Countries in africa still have wars with them because they don't have guns either. Besides, to friendly strangers passing out food, a bow just screams nutcase.
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someone mentioned whips. i had a friend custom make this for me. its 14 feet long without the fall or popper. im 6 foot and 200 lbs and i can barely operate it. i have a 10 foot one that moves much faster and hits awfully darn hard too. not the best non gun weapon, but its a contender for coolest.
Metapotent
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Rusty maggot, that is one crazy whip you've got there. What is that thing made of and how much does it weigh?
Me, I always keep a razor sharp folding knife in my pocket for Defensive and utility purposes, I've been doing this since I was about 14. I've been in fights before but I've never used a knife in one. However, I wouldnt hesitate to if I were to be assaulted with a weapon.
So when a weapon is uncalled for and I am about to engage in a traditional fist-fight, I simply aim for the nose or chin and keep my hands open for grabs, throws and good ol' ground and pound.
If I want to just knock out someone who is in my face without further annoyance I make a fistpack with my metal torch-lighter and put all my body weight behind one single punch for the button to knock someone out, if all means of peacemaking are first exhausted that is
Me, I always keep a razor sharp folding knife in my pocket for Defensive and utility purposes, I've been doing this since I was about 14. I've been in fights before but I've never used a knife in one. However, I wouldnt hesitate to if I were to be assaulted with a weapon.
So when a weapon is uncalled for and I am about to engage in a traditional fist-fight, I simply aim for the nose or chin and keep my hands open for grabs, throws and good ol' ground and pound.
If I want to just knock out someone who is in my face without further annoyance I make a fistpack with my metal torch-lighter and put all my body weight behind one single punch for the button to knock someone out, if all means of peacemaking are first exhausted that is
LightningJoe
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Fosbery:
So you have to get a certificate from a doctor to have an effin' cane? I guess the doctor gives you a prescription (which you then have laminated to preserve it) and you carry this laminated prescription around on you whenever you are armed with your cane? It's analogous to a concealed carry license in USA, but issued by a physician. I can see plenty of potential for abuse there. What about the possibility of unscrupulous physicians making out cane and crutch prescriptions for friends and family without any real medical need? Or what if the medical condition requiring the cane is only temporary? How careful is government about making sure all canes are turned in promptly when no longer needed?
So you have to get a certificate from a doctor to have an effin' cane? I guess the doctor gives you a prescription (which you then have laminated to preserve it) and you carry this laminated prescription around on you whenever you are armed with your cane? It's analogous to a concealed carry license in USA, but issued by a physician. I can see plenty of potential for abuse there. What about the possibility of unscrupulous physicians making out cane and crutch prescriptions for friends and family without any real medical need? Or what if the medical condition requiring the cane is only temporary? How careful is government about making sure all canes are turned in promptly when no longer needed?
Working Man
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When I was a kid a city gardener showed me a very simple yet effective way
to make a flail. He took a length of heavy chain (3 links) and looped a length
of rope through it. Apart it does not look like much but together it serves well
as a last ditch weapon or even second to last.
to make a flail. He took a length of heavy chain (3 links) and looped a length
of rope through it. Apart it does not look like much but together it serves well
as a last ditch weapon or even second to last.
Legionnaire
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Haven't done the search, but I recall that there were several post 9/11 threads on expedient weapons to use in a similar hijacking situation. I tend to favor a good stiff leather belt with a heavy buckle (and don't wear oversized pants that'll drop to your knees!).
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I am suprised nobody mentioned the good old cueball in a sock. I have personally seen a guy droped on a bar room floor with this one . You could substitute with a bar of soap as well.
. You could substitute with a bar of soap as well.Roadwild17
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I think a flail would be the easiest weppon to hide and improvise. Went to a party when I was younger & got wacked by a guy who had some little light sticks on a 2 ft string and he didnt even meen to hit me. Just put something like a small metal ring of even a nice sized nut on the end of a 3 ft string/small rope.
Pros:
Verry easy to hide
Could probably do significant damage if you want to.
Can make then anywhere out of just about anything.
Cons:
Easy to get tangled/taken away in a fight
Answer to cons:
When in a fight and the other guy grabs it, have a backup: IE small bat and wack him with that while hes fighting with the flail.
Pros:
Verry easy to hide
Could probably do significant damage if you want to.
Can make then anywhere out of just about anything.
Cons:
Easy to get tangled/taken away in a fight
Answer to cons:
When in a fight and the other guy grabs it, have a backup: IE small bat and wack him with that while hes fighting with the flail.
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A Cricket bat?
salty.
salty.
TCB in TN
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Very interesting thread
Got me to thinking though. High portability along with a large amount of force is the main advantage of the fire arm, but even w/o one putting up a solid defense on the go is quite possible. With the prohibition of canes except for medical reasons I would first of all develop a severe limp ! Then get me a long machined aliminum cane that could be used. Learning how to use it well would also be a priority.
Living in the south I have to admit that I have a couple of the "Bull Rider" belt bukles. Also have seen a couple of very nice looking biker type chain belts that would be great weapons. Again this type of weapon is quite portable and if applied to the appropriate part of the BGs body then is a great persuader.
Believe it or not (and if I hadn't seen it my self I might not) one of the worst beating I have ever seen was with a shoe. Guy pulled off his steel toed boot and beat the snot out of 2 guys with it. Wearing steel toes (even w/o taking them off) can be an effective offensive or defensive weapon. Kick BG in the shin or maybe a little further north and then run off. (Get him good an he ain't following you!)
Someone mentioned armor and it got me to thinking why not? Now I'm not talking about heavy plate or even chain, but how about a heavy made leather jacket padded with a strong multi layer lining. Won't stop a bullet, but would give a measure of protection against most cutting and impact weapons.
Thinking back to home or business protection where portability wouldn't be as important, I could get very creative. Remember the Korean business owner during the California riots? Give me some PVC a good air compressor/tank and some air hose and we can make a pretty good air cannon. Take a plastic cup and a bucket of marbles/gravels, or any other small hard object, and some seran wrap and you have some home made "Grape Shot". Will get the attention of large groups or persistant individuals pretty quickly. Add a 20 oz bottle filled with gas and a burning rag and you have a MC thrower that might get someones attention as well. Given a little time, machining equipment, and some steel or aluminun pipe then we can make a much bigger boom with a faster reload. Run the air hose directly to the cannon and machine a drop in "chamber" for loading the cannon and you can put out a pretty impressive amount of fire power.
A pretty effective homemade Flame thrower could also be made using either pvc or aluminum, gas, kerosene, lamp oil, a little air pressure, and a small torch or other flame.
Another idea is either fixed or hand held sling shots. Can make a beast of one fixed on a roof or upper floor window with a little wood or metal and some surgical tubing. I used to hunt with one when I was a kid and took many small animals. I was never great but with practice could hit rabbits regularly at 10 yards. Using a larger one and the "grape shot" idea you could do a lot of damage at longer ranges w/o to much practice.
Got me to thinking though. High portability along with a large amount of force is the main advantage of the fire arm, but even w/o one putting up a solid defense on the go is quite possible. With the prohibition of canes except for medical reasons I would first of all develop a severe limp
! Then get me a long machined aliminum cane that could be used. Learning how to use it well would also be a priority. Living in the south I have to admit that I have a couple of the "Bull Rider" belt bukles. Also have seen a couple of very nice looking biker type chain belts that would be great weapons. Again this type of weapon is quite portable and if applied to the appropriate part of the BGs body then is a great persuader.
Believe it or not (and if I hadn't seen it my self I might not) one of the worst beating I have ever seen was with a shoe. Guy pulled off his steel toed boot and beat the snot out of 2 guys with it. Wearing steel toes (even w/o taking them off) can be an effective offensive or defensive weapon. Kick BG in the shin or maybe a little further north and then run off. (Get him good an he ain't following you!)
Someone mentioned armor and it got me to thinking why not? Now I'm not talking about heavy plate or even chain, but how about a heavy made leather jacket padded with a strong multi layer lining. Won't stop a bullet, but would give a measure of protection against most cutting and impact weapons.
Thinking back to home or business protection where portability wouldn't be as important, I could get very creative. Remember the Korean business owner during the California riots? Give me some PVC a good air compressor/tank and some air hose and we can make a pretty good air cannon. Take a plastic cup and a bucket of marbles/gravels, or any other small hard object, and some seran wrap and you have some home made "Grape Shot". Will get the attention of large groups or persistant individuals pretty quickly. Add a 20 oz bottle filled with gas and a burning rag and you have a MC thrower that might get someones attention as well. Given a little time, machining equipment, and some steel or aluminun pipe then we can make a much bigger boom with a faster reload. Run the air hose directly to the cannon and machine a drop in "chamber" for loading the cannon and you can put out a pretty impressive amount of fire power.
A pretty effective homemade Flame thrower could also be made using either pvc or aluminum, gas, kerosene, lamp oil, a little air pressure, and a small torch or other flame.
Another idea is either fixed or hand held sling shots. Can make a beast of one fixed on a roof or upper floor window with a little wood or metal and some surgical tubing. I used to hunt with one when I was a kid and took many small animals. I was never great but with practice could hit rabbits regularly at 10 yards. Using a larger one and the "grape shot" idea you could do a lot of damage at longer ranges w/o to much practice.
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