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Things I have learned reading recent posts.

1.Point Shooting is a joke...only good for trick shooters...oh and you will go to jail
2.Don't shoot at people breaking into your home until they are completely inside your home, you know why they are breaking into your home, and made sure that everyone breaking into your home is breaking into your home...or, you will go to jail.
3.Violations of safety rules will always put you in jail.
4.If you don't run you will go to jail.
5.If you stand up for your principles going to jail
6.If you defend someone other than you family your going to jail
7.Heck if you defend yourself your going to jail
8.If you don't follow “their” way of thinking you are going to jail

A lot of sarcasm there. Point is as many have pointed out throughout different threads is that we are in a society that has an infatuation with litigation. There are also cops, lawyers, and judges that don't like people with guns and are more than happy to try and charge, prosecute, and adjudicate lawful gun owners. The only way to protect yourself as a gun owner is to know the laws. The scary part is that laws are subject to interpretation by that cop, that lawyer, and that judge. I may interpret it one way the cop another, the lawyer another, and the judge yet another.

With that in mind know the laws in the jurisdiction that you are in. Train, Train, Train!!! In the concealed carry classes we get a short class on laws and regulations, after which few people ever do up follow on training on that aspect of the training. Many do go out and shoot, but I would say far less train. Know the laws and be confident in your training, and be prepared to defend yourself in court no matter how perfectly you acted in the situations.
 
2.Don't shoot at people breaking into your home until they are completely inside your home, you know why they are breaking into your home, and made sure that everyone breaking into your home is breaking into your home...or, you will go to jail.
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With this there has been cases that go either way. you dont want to shoot someone in your back yard. CSI wont rest till they find that bullet, if it doesnt lodge into the perp. If the bullet is lodged in the ground or a tree outside etc... Youll have a harder time with your self defense case. Thats all. At least a harder time then if they verified that you shot in your house.
 
Whether or not you LIKE the fact that we live in a litigious society, we still do. Do you think it's a BAD idea to try to make yourself aware of the legal pitfalls possible when you pull out your gun and start shooting people?

There are absolutely no guarantees of any kind in the legal world. You might act iffy and get a pass. Or you might do everything right, and still get a D.A. with something to prove and a judge who has been sleeping on the couch for a week, and you will be sending your lawyer's kids to school regardless of the outcome.

The bottom line of all of the complaints you listed, is to make sure that you can always say that you absolutely had no choice but to use deadly force. If you are still willing to shoot in a lot of these grey areas, you need to think things through, take some law classes at night school, and at least consult with a lawyer.

Or kill the messenger. Up to you.
 
Wow! Did you even read the post or just my sarcastic remarks? Reason I ask is that most if not all the remarks you made were addressed in my original post.

Do you think it's a BAD idea to try to make yourself aware of the legal pitfalls possible when you pull out your gun and start shooting people?
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Can't say that I do, and again can't see where you got that from if you read the entire post.

My sarcastic comments along with the post was to bring light on the law. Each of those remarks depending on the situation can put you in jail. Too many sea lawyers, tho well intentioned, are providing false information. Any person who has made the choice to carry a firearms or ever decides to use deadly force needs to know the law with confidence. When the stuff hits the fan you don't want to hesitate because have no confidence in your marksmanship/tactical training. In that same breath you don't want to let your lack of knowledge of the law stop you or make you hesitate from taking action either. Both of those hesitations can really get you killed quick. In the end each person who decides to carry has made the contious decision to maybe oneday use deadly force. So you need to know the laws and be confident in your training, and be prepared to defend yourself in court no matter how perfectly you acted in the situations.
 
mljdeckard said:
Whether or not you LIKE the fact that we live in a litigious society, we still do. Do you think it's a BAD idea to try to make yourself aware of the legal pitfalls possible when you pull out your gun and start shooting people?
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I think common sense is alive, but it doesn't make good headlines... "Farmer's house burned down , builds new one" OR "Framer's house burns down, wife turns to prostitution to pay bills as FEMA twiddles thumbs"
 
I believe the best advice is to not listen to the chest-thumpers, every gun forum is rife with them, and use your own good sense.
 
Cornbred said:
...When the stuff hits the fan you don't want to hesitate because have no confidence in your marksmanship/tactical training. In that same breath you don't want to let your lack of knowledge of the law stop you or make you hesitate from taking action either....
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Very well put.
 
Don't shoot at people breaking into your home...
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Unless you are in NC. Our castle doctrine is valid only while they are breaking in, once they get in, it goes to the same standard as if they were walking down the street. Tell me that is not insane!
 
I took an NRA Instructor course about 6 years ago. We had a very good instructor and one thing that he told us really stood out.
He said that if you are involved in a shooting, even if justified, it will most likely cost you over $20,000 in legal fees. Even if the local DA doesn't charge you the family of the criminal will most likely take you to civil court. Of course you still need a good lawyer that specializes in gun cases until you find out what the DA will do.
You're screwed no matter what.
Of course it beats being a dead victim.
 
That depends on what the laws in your state say. In several states if you are found to be justified in the shooting you are immune to criminal and civil prosecution. Thats not to say they may not try, but at least in some states if they do you get it back. In Oklahoma
the court shall award reasonable attorney fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought
by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution
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Again it goes back to knowing the laws in your state.

Of course it beats being a dead victim.
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Your darn tootin

Wow, I used to think NC would be a good place to retire too, but the closer I get and the more i learn the more I am starting to rethink that idea.
 
responsiblity sucks, just as when the stakes go up, someone is going to complain about it. I understand your sarcasm.

But it's like the parable of the black belt,
white belt walks into an alley and sees some shady guys, knows he can't fight them and gives them his wallet.
a orange belt goes into the alley and fights the men, ending up in the hospital minus his money
a brown belt goes in alley and fights the men, sending them to the hospital
Black belt walks to the alley, turns and keeps walking down the street, not fighting the men.

The point is that there are many ways to solve a problem and one of the things that this S&T is good at is reminding people that every problem is not a nail, even if you are holding a hammer.

So just cause you got a gun, it won't solve everything, nor in many cases where it can "solve" the problem is it the best choice, often causing many more "problems" than it fixes, which leads to the thought that I would rather walk away, than be carried by six, OR judged by 12
 
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