Thinking of buying a .44

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I say GO FOR IT !!
There is a lot that has been said about the recoil of the .44Mag. Recoil is a subjective thing. I had a Ruger Security Six .357Mag, a long time ago. I hated the recoil, but that was with Wood stocks. Once I switched to rubber it was a whole different ballgame. That is one of the advantages to a revolver. You can change the grips if you don't like em.
Another thing is the ammo, another revolver advantage. If the MAG is too hot, shoot .44Spcials, or even .44 Russian, which is even milder yet.
When I shoot my .357, there is a bang/crack, a fireball and recoil. When I shoot either my Ruger SBH, or Ruger SRH Alaskan, there is a BOOM, and recoil, but the recoil is different. With the .44Mag you will FEEL the recoil throughout your body. The .44Mag goes off like an artillery round. You'll feel the concussion in your chest, and stomach. AWESOME !!!!
If the .44Mag doesn't put a SMILE on your face, nothing WILL !!!:D
 
The first time I ever lit off a .44mag it was froom a 29 with a 6" bbl. I was literally shook up because I was used to 9mm, .38's and light .357's. Next time I shot a .44 was10 years later from my SBH 5.5" bbl. and this time it felt good. The Ruger handles recoil much better IMO then the N frame Smiths. Just my take.
 
I've always had a fascination with large-frame, big-bore revolvers and have recently come to the conclusion that I'd like to buy one. The model that I'm considering is the 8.375" Taurus Raging Bull in .44 Magnum (I know some people have some poor opinions of Taurus, but I like the look and feel of the Raging series and it's also their top-of-the-line).

The big bores are fun, so I don't blame you. Most of the negative opinions about Taurus come from people who have never owned one and are just repeating internet BS, or people who have had Taurus autopistols, which may indeed be poor quality. (I have never had one, so cannot speak from authority.) I have had quite a few Taurus revolvers and have been satisfied with all of them. I am sure the one you have under consideration would work just fine.
The problem here is that I'm fairly new when it comes to guns: I own a Beretta 90-two in 9mm that I've put only about 60 rounds through, and that's it. This will change if I'm able to get into the local gun club, but for now that's how things stand. At 6'0" and ~165 lbs, I'm also a pretty skinny guy. I handled a 8.375" Taurus Model 44 and a 6.5" Bull at the local Gander Mountain and both were certainly intimidating weapons (especially compared to my 90-two), but it's not like I was about to run and hide from them.

I have not found that body weight makes much of a difference one way or another. I have known 150 pound men who shrugged off .500 level recoil and 300 pound men that could not tolerate heavy .357 loads. I will agree with the folks that tell you to get a .22 -- at least if your intention is to become a competent shot. If you just want to have fun and make noise (which is fine, of course) then starting with the .44 will work.

From my research, it seems like a lot of the talk about the recoil in a .44 is overrated, but there are those who just plain don't like it. The gun guy at a local store recommended that I get a .357 instead of a .44, as he said they're more fun for just casual shooting (which is what my intention is for the .44). I will admit that I do have some reservations about the .44 just due to my lack of firearms experience and from having no formal firearms training, but the Bull is a four-pound, fourteen-inch, ported monster so I don't think that the recoil will be unmanageable. I've even seen videos of kids shooting the Bull so if they can shoot it I figure there's no reason I can't, but they've probably had more instruction than me and I don't want to make a fool of myself by smacking myself in the forehead (which I've also seen, but that may have been in .454).

Few people find .44 Magnum recoil physically painful. It really is just noise and blast that is insulting to the nervous system and makes accurate shooting more difficult. I don't find it "fun" anymore but can still manage it if I need the results. You don't have to worry about smacking yourself with that gun, or ripping the skin off your hands, or whatever. You'll probably just find that it makes you flinch pretty quickly, and that whatever accuracy you are capable of will head downhill after only a few rounds with it.

My personal strategy with the truly hard kickers is to bring a .22 with me. I will shoot a few rounds with the big boy and, when I can fell my nerves getting jangled, I switch to the .22 to calm down and reinforce the fundamentals. Then back to the big gun for a few more rounds, and so on.

Finally, keep in mind that my 9mm is still going to be my main plinking gun; I don't plan on sending 100 rounds downrange in one sitting with the Bull. I want the Bull so that I can have some fun shooting watermelons and the like (and just for the satisfaction of having a large revolver), so maybe no more than two cylinders' worth at a time. Of course, this could change if I really like the gun.

Again, I am sure the Taurus will fulfill those desires. And, if we are being honest, a bunch of us "experienced" guys will tell us that we succumbed to our own foolish desires early on. My first revolver was a .357, and my second a .44 magnum. Together they went a long way toward wrecking what small skill I had with handguns at the time. After I wised up and got the big bores "out of my system" for a while, I bought some good .22s and learned how to shoot, before returning to the "fun" guns.

HTH!
 
Indeed it does, and not just your comments but everyone's. I never expected to get this many responses in less than a day, so I want to thank everyone who's provided their opinion.

I have to say, I usually avoid forums because they're often filled with a bunch of kids who just like to try to show off to their Internet friends. It's nice to discuss things with competent people who know what they're talking about.
 
I'll echo what's already been said: get more gun experience FIRST

Buying a gun based solely on how it looks is foolish. The Raging Bull has had a long history of well documented problems. Buy one and you'll likely regret it.

A .357 answers more questions than the .44 does for you at the present time.

If you insist on a .44, get a Ruger Super Blackhawk, Super Redhawk or S&W Model 29 or 629.

The smarter option would be to take the money you'd spend on a Raging Bull and buy 9mm ammo and take a gun class instead.
 
Buying a gun based solely on how it looks is foolish.
I didn't say that I want it purely for looks; I also said that I like how it feels. Granted, I know that grips and things can be changed, but of all the revolvers I've held (which is maybe five or six) it was the one that I liked best. To me, in the end, I want a gun that that I can hold well. Yes, there may be guns that are built better, but all the build quality in the world won't help you shoot if the gun is uncomfortable to hold. I actually experienced this myself, back when I was considering getting a shotgun--the Benelli SuperNova. Everybody had good things to say about it, and it had great looks too boot. But then I got my hands on one in the store, and my thoughts of getting the gun more or less disappeared. It just didn't hold right for me. In the end, regardless of the great looks and great quality, I decided not to get one. So no, I wouldn't buy a gun based purely on looks, but I do consider looks important. That's why I'm happy with the 90-two; not only does it look good, but it holds well too.

The Raging Bull has had a long history of well documented problems.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but could you provide me with links to this information? I don't like being told that something has problems and then not being told what those problems are.
 
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This IS the internet ! You can easily find the stories yourself.

Personally, I've heard from my gunsmith of various incarnations of the RB that had barrel and action issues, cylinders locking up, etc. MAYBE they fixed all of those problems now.......

Buy one if you wish, but don't say you weren't warned. Besides, you might get lucky !
 
This IS the internet ! You can easily find the stories yourself.
Actually, this is the reason that I'm asking. Perhaps I'm searching for the wrong things, but I've done some research and haven't come across these stories yet.
 
I refer you back to "people who have never owned one and are just repeating internet BS".
 
About .44 Magnum recoil... it is highly subjective. No doubt the S&W .460/.500 Magnum grips make the 6" 629 I depicted earlier easier for the lay person to shoot. The old 29s and early 629s, with their lacquered wood grips, were uncomfortable with a 'real' load. My first shooting of a 29 left my palm blistered and my web split and bleeding - after three shots. I wouldn't touch another .44 Magnum for nearly 25 years - and then it was to buy it for mainly .44 Specials.

I have a picture taken at a range where I worked of my pastor shooting my 6" 629. A few weeks back found my wife and I taking a friend of hers who had gotten her pastoral license last year and is now working part-time in a jailhouse ministry to my club range. She was at the range to shoot her NAA .22 Magnum, her CCW. I have her convinced she needs a .38 when she can afford one, as her ability to hit a rather large paper target at 10 ft was poor. She then wanted to shoot something 'larger' - but pooed on my .357 Magnum suggestion (627 Pro). She wanted to shoot 'something bigger'. She wanted 'something like Dirty Harry had...'. I had the 6" 629 and some midrange .44 Magnums homebrews. My wife cautioned her not to, reminding her of her sprained wrist, grandkids, and age ... but she insisted.

Her comment after firing it the first time? "Well... that wasn't bad - may I shoot it again?". She put five of six in a 3-4 inch circle at 20-25 ft from her standing position - not bad for someone who last shot a firearm as a teenager - when LBJ was Prez. Her wrist was sore the next day - but 'not bad' as she told my wife. Shooting a properly gripped .44 Magnum is highly subjective.

Stainz

PS My pastor - pushing forty - ex Army & ex HS football player - did okay... but was not as accurate - or as fond of the .44 Magnum as the lady minister!
 
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Van,

It seems that you are set on buying a Raging Bull, regardless of what you read in this thread. But before you do, take some calipers to the gunshop to measure the chamber walls. Bryan Pearce did for Handloader Magazine, June 2009 issue, and found them inconsistent. Granted, it wasn't a Raging Bull, but it was a recently manufactured Taurus.
 
I refer you back to "people who have never owned one and are just repeating internet BS".

And I refer YOU back to the part where my gunsmith shared with me some of his hands-on, real life, no BS experience fixing them.

Buy one, shoot it, then get back to me.
 
It seems that you are set on buying a Raging Bull, regardless of what you read in this thread.
Set? Maybe not. Highly likely to? Yes.

But I guess the original question wasn't "Is the RB a good gun?", rather "Is it too soon for me to consider a .44?". If I go with a .357 then the RB is out of the question anyway because they don't make one in that caliber.
 
I have had quite a few. They have all been fine.

My most-used gunsmith has nothing good to say about Ruger. Listening to him you would think that all Ruger revolvers are complete trash. This is, of course, nonsense. It turns out that gunsmiths are human too.

As for your other suggestion, one cannot accurately measure chamber wall thickness with a caliper. One cannot even accurately measure chamber mouth diameter -- that's the part that Mr. Pearce was referring to in his article -- with calipers either. It takes plug gauges to do it correctly. It's also worth noting that similar "inconsistencies" can be found with most modern guns, including those from S&W. Unless extreme, they don't make a practical difference.
 
the original question: "Is it too soon for me to consider a .44?"

As a matter of fact, after taking your firing of 60 rds of 9mm into account...........


















YES
 
I have had quite a few. They have all been fine.

Glad to hear it.

Makes you wonder why Taurus won't divulge what kind of steel they use for the cylinder, eh?
 
Ok, I have to admit I did have a Taurus (ehh). It was a 454 bull. I never had failures with it, but. . . . I was the other way around. I couldn’t get past its aesthetics and the way it felt kind of clunky in my hand. But again, NEVER had any failures. After shooting a 629-6 my brother purchased I had to have one, and traded the Bull. I also have a RH in .44. All I can say is that in ANY gun I cannot stand porting. The wave of energy is just too unpleasant. I would rather have recoil. My two BFRs in .500 and .45-70 aren’t ported and recoil is a little much, but you get used to it. Now I must also say that I've been shooting revolves for many years and started with a Security six shooting 38 and moved from there. Again, I did not bash Taurus here as I said it never failed, but then again I had only fired it about 100 rounds out of it.
 
Don't do it...

If you need a .44 magnum, it is an excellent choice, provided that you can get a good, comfy grip.

However, for casual shooting, .44 magnums, and other larger bore revolvers are an absolute money pit. .44 magnum ammo is very expensive. .44 special ammo is equally expensive and much harder to find. If you don't reload, you probably will not get a lot of "recreation" out of this gun.

I was faced with a similiar dilema, last year. I fell in love with the idea of owning a .44 magnum 4" Redhawk. I lusted for that gun. I couldn't get it out of my mind for over a year. I bought it and regretted the purchase almost immediately. It was a great gun, but after shooting a few cylinders, I decided that I made a mistake. I sold the gun and took an absolute beating.

My decision to sell it came down to a few things.

1. Ammo was very expensive.
2. I bought it to shoot mostly .44 special
3. I couldn't find "jacketed" .44 special for less than $40 per box. None of the local ranges allow non-jacketed ammo, so I couldn't buy the "cheap" .44 special ammo (not that I could actually find it). I'm not ashamed to say that I can't justify spending that much on 50 rounds of any type of ammo.
4. I wasn't interested in getting started in reloading. When I first was thinking of buying the gun, I was going to go this route. After putting about $15,000 of unexpected money into upgrading my new house, the idea of buying reloading supplies didn't agree with me.
5. The recoil, with the stock Redhawk grips, wasn't pleasant. I shot the gun pretty well, but really didn't enjoy it. My body has taken enough abuse over the years. .357 magnum is about as much recoil as I am willing to tolerate for recreational shooting. Again, if I needed that power level, I would have made it work.

If I spent a lot of time in Bear country, I would have kept it, and invested in reloading equipment and new grips. Since I didn't really need the darn thing, I decided to cut my losses and sold it at a huge loss. I will never do that again. I will stick to .357 magnum, .22 lr, and other more conventional rounds.

If money isn't an issue, you might enjoy the .44 magnum. Just make sure that you know what you're getting yourself into. It makes sense for some, but they are not for everyone.
 
If your local gunsmith doesn't like Rugers, then you should find another gunsmith. The Ruger DA designs are the best in the industry. He probably wants you to buy another make of revolver so that you frequent his business with bent ejector rods and timing issues. Rugers aren't the most refined guns, but they are the best designed DA revolvers on the market. If you find a good one, you'll never need to vist that gunsmith.
 
VR,

Been following this thread and I changed my mind. Yes I think it is too soon for you to buy a 44 magnum. The 9mm is a decent round, cheap to buy and quite effective it you are proficient.

Continue to shoot the 9mm for 10,000 rounds and then decide that your next gun will be. (I know that sounds like alot but that is only 20 trips to the range if you spend any time there)

In addition to the needed experience the time will calm you. When we old-timers were new to guns we too wanted to jump right in and buy 30 guns with plans to shoot them all.

I only wish I had The High Road early in my gun shooting days. I would have made fewer mistakes.

Also note that most of us have bought a gun because it looked cool, a famous person liked it or becuase it was is in-style so don't take this as a slam. (I have never shot a "tommy gun" but think they are slicker than goose squeeze)

Learn from our mistakes.
 
I'm 5'9" and weigh in around 140lbs. I own a 629 six inch and love it. I've shot it for years and it still has years in it. Recoil can be handled by practice and being around those that own and shoot them regularly. Handloading makes it even much more controlable. I also own a Smith 44 Special. It too is a blast to shoot. If and when the brass for the magnum begins to split or get weak, you can trim it down to 44 Special and keep right on shooting. I've hunted whitetail with my 44 mag since the 1980's and have never failed putting meat on the table. Dropped a hog or two as well, and a few rabbits have sucomed to 240 grainers. If you are hesitant about buying one right off the bat, find someone that owns one that you can shoot before dropping the $$$$'s on one. That will be the only way you are going to know for sure if you really want to take that plunge or not.
 
Well, I just talked to my friend and I'll be trying out his .357s this Friday. It's going to be a long week.
 
It took me 10+ years after acquiring my first handgun (a Colt .22) until I got a .44 magnum. There were many guns in between and 1000's of rounds thru each before I finally got my S&W Model 29
 
just the opposite

If you find a good one, you'll never need to vist that gunsmith.

That is a great testimony to their QC. Usually I hear the "if you find a good one" about Taurus



Gunsmiths usually LOVE Rugers since they ALWAYS get the income from a trigger job.

Rugers are strong but there is nothing remarkable about their design

VR...sorry about taking part in the thread hijacking but that was too silly to let stand unchallenged
 
Fishman-

Your experience is pretty much the reason that I signed up and started this topic. There's a part of me that want to jump in with both feet and say "You only live once and you could die tomorrow, so get it and enjoy it", a thought that's echoed by some of the replies here. Then there's the other part of me that says "You're no pro with guns yet; take some time and work toward it", a thought which is also echoed here. I guess it really boils down to the "have fun" vs. "think straight" schools of thought, neither of which I think is inherently wrong here. Now, if this were a moral issue, "think straight" would win hands down...but we're not dealing with a moral issue. A dilemma, for sure.
 
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