Thinking of getting a PM-9 or PM-40 at the gunshow this weekend

[larryh1108]

We're talking a safety feature (DA vs SA pull) not practical accuracy. A heavier pull does decrease the possibility of an AD or ND. You are correct on the accuracy part. We can agree to disagree on the extra safety on a DA pull especially when there is no other safety other than the heavy pull. Is a SA with a safety safer than a DA with no safety? I'd say yes. However, revolvers have been around a long time and there are millions of DAO guns in the hands of Americans. Unless you make everyone turn in their DA pistols there is a chance of an AD and the heavier trigger pull lessens that chance.

 

[porterdog]

KodiakBeer, to some extent I agree. My PM9's mission is restricted to up close personal defense, 8' or less. Given he trigger, the grip, the sight radius, and my ability...it'd be dire need drove me to run the risk of something further.

I'm ok with that- it's a little gun. You gotta give up something; this is a compromise made in favor of easy carry, one of dozens of such decisions people make in the real world. The trigger is plenty safe (use a holster) and at the close range for which it's intended your absolute ability to hold to a narrow point of aim is less important. Further, it could be the long travel is mechanically required by other aspects held to be more important by the designer(s).

Try not to be dogmatic- it's a good gun, just not for all purposes. The user has to determine which set of compromises is most appropriate for them.

What's your same-size alternative?

 

[Sistema1927]

KodiakBeer probably doesn't like the S&W 642 either.

 

[kokapelli]

I like single action triggers too but I shoot quite well with my Kahrs and have seen DAO guns do very well in shooting competitions as well.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Try not to be dogmatic- it's a good gun, just not for all purposes. The user has to determine which set of compromises is most appropriate for them.

What's your same-size alternative?

I'm not trying to be dogmatic, just pointing out the drawbacks to this class of firearm. Call it a personal quirk, but I'll always choose a gun based on the trigger type. Without a good trigger your shooting goes to hell beyond a few yards.
It's true that if you have a smooth DA trigger (like the 642 pointed out above), you can train more and in the end, shoot them quite well. However, the Kahr (or any other of this class of auto) does not really have a smooth DA trigger, so, you're always going to be working at overcoming the poor trigger.

I don't see the point.

Alternatives - get a Glock. Not a great trigger, but better than the DAO. Or better, get a compact (or "ultra" or "micro") 1911 with an aluminum frame.

 

[larryh1108]

the Kahr (or any other of this class of auto) does not really have a smooth DA trigger, so, you're always going to be working at overcoming the poor trigger.

So totally untrue. Obviously you have never shot the Kahr and are just clumping together all DAO triggers. If you've actually shot one you would not make that statement.

Also, for a hundred years, sharpshooters have used DA revolvers and done fine. It's all what you are used to. Your generalizations are way off the mark.

 

[KodiakBeer]

Also, for a hundred years, sharpshooters have used DA revolvers and done fine.

Really? Name some. There are a few trick shooters like Miculek or McGivern who can (could) make a DA really sing, but that's with a nice S&W revolver trigger, not a Kahr. For the most part revolver shooters cock and fire single action for precision shooting.

If you doubt the utility of a SA trigger, borrow one from a friend and shoot fast groups in comparison with your Kahr. You'll shoot better with the SA even if you've never shot one before.

 

[Guillermo]

I have a PM9. Easy to carry...a lot of firepower in a small space.

Were I to do it over again I would get the P9. Since I don't carry in my boot or in a pocket I can conceal the slightly larger gun just as easy...and I can get three, instead of two fingers on the grip.

I would had a micro 40 and would not shoot it well

remember...shoot before you buy

 

[larryh1108]

I own many 1911s and Browning Hi Powers. I also own many DA/SA pistols. I am very well aware of how each one operates. I stand by my point of a hundred years of fine DA shooters. You can be proficient at shooting them. The fact you did not state you've ever shot a Kahr leads me to believe you are generalizing. You are wrong about the Kahr trigger. I know, I own one.

Really? Name some.

Pass. I don't need to defend such an obvious answer. A closed mind is an empty mind. You can't teach someone something when he already knows everything. My time is better served doing anything else than giving you fodder to disagree with. With over 2000 posts in 9 months it is obvious you have a lot of time on your hands and like to debate. I am done with this debate. There is nothing else to prove or state.

 

[porterdog]

KB: "Alternatives - get a Glock. Not a great trigger, but better than the DAO. Or better, get a compact (or "ultra" or "micro") 1911 with an aluminum frame."

Glock doesn't have anything even remotely close in size. Ditto the micro 1911s.

The PM9 is successful precisely because there aren't that many same size alternatives.

 

[rellascout]

Glock doesn't have anything even remotely close in size. Ditto the micro 1911s.

Agreed both are thick as a brick compared to the Kahr. There are compromises to any pistol. The Kahr is not a match trigger for bullseye shooting but it is clean and consistent enough for self defense.

 

[kokapelli]

Agreed both are thick as a brick compared to the Kahr. There are compromises to any pistol. The Kahr is not a match trigger for bullseye shooting but it is clean and consistent enough for self defense.

I had a Para Hawg that I sold and replaced it with a PM9 and I couldn't be happier even with it's so called terrible trigger (not).