This could be the start of gun control......

[Speedo66]

We all know politicians are more influenced by political contributions than requests from their actual constituents.

In Florida, in the wake of the latest shooting, a large Republican contributor has announced he will no longer make donations to any candidate who does not endorse an assault weapon ban. He is also calling upon other contributors to do the same thing.

He personally addressed the current FL governor, Mr. Scott, who is considering a run for the US Senate, to whom he had previously given funds, and said none would be forthcoming without a policy announcement in the area he is requesting.

This may be where it starts, at least for FL. Or it may be nothing, but definitely something to watch and see if it catches on.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/...version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

 

[beeenbag]

Firearm enthusiast are, for a vast majority, going to vote single issue. Republicans know this and will not trade an entire onslaught of for sure votes, for campaign money. It would be political suicide.

 

[FROGO207]

Someone should email this guy and ask him if he will give this money to the local school districts to better train and secure the schools instead when the politicians make no concessions. After all it's for the children's safety and we HAVE to do something!

 

[buck460XVR]

Firearm enthusiast are, for a vast majority, going to vote single issue. Republicans know this and will not trade an entire onslaught of for sure votes, for campaign money. It would be political suicide.

What I am starting to see, is not only Republicans calling for some form of restrictions on Assault type weapons/High Cap mags, but also by gun owners themselves. Our representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, not the few that give them big donations. If the majority of constituents want it, what is a representative to do? While I myself do not support such restrictions, I know many folks that do. Some of them are Republicans and some are ardent gun owners. Time will tell.

 

[theotherwaldo]

Why are children still being gathered and held in unprotected groups, the perfect targets for any maniac or extremist that happens along? If the government mandates the gathering then the government must mandate the protection of the gathering.

Banning some weapon will not protect anyone. Arming the staff that conducts the gathering will.

 

[PabloJ]

Someone should email this guy and ask him if he will give this money to the local school districts to better train and secure the schools instead when the politicians make no concessions. After all it's for the children's safety and we HAVE to do something!

It would require hiring and training of professional security people for each school. One could turn to security contractors, but the price would be high and most are probably already on duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. Where are they going to get the funds when everybody wants a tax break? Obviously it's impractical for our teachers to raise, educate and protect our kids against armed terrorists. If some agree there would have to be substantial salary jump because they would be doing two jobs at once. Frankly the only option open to politicians is to reduce easy access to firearms and that is where most will eventually go.

 

[Spats McGee]

This sort of thing happens in the wake of every mass shooting. (And believe me, I hate the fact that I even know that and use the phrase "every mass shooting.") The antigunners will never let a tragedy go to waste, and there will always be a few politicians and a few gun owners that will join the "we've got to do something" chorus. That's why we have to work so hard to protect what we have and to teach new shooters.

 

[Demi-human]

What I am starting to see, is not only Republicans calling for some form of restrictions on Assault type weapons/High Cap mags, but also by gun owners themselves.

Lord, I hope not. Be sure to ask them the hard questions. Don't just sit and listen to their diatribe. Taking away millions of ARs from people with no propensity toward violence will do nothing to actually protect my children.

Restricting magazines to five under the auspices that a perpetrator of evil will be killed during a magazine change is ridiculous. Which magazine? The first? Or the tenth, after the police finally get there?

We guard prisons, we guard money, we guard our military installations. Why not my children? And no, it doesn't have to look like a prison to work.

And we seem to find the money for every thing. That doesn't even register on the radar and is also ridiculous to bring up when talking about the lives of our innocent future.

 

[Demi-human]

What to do about guns in schools?

Make sure the right human has one first.

Otherwise, what will one do when a corrupted human comes to school with one? Hope they read the new laws? Hope they followed them?

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Where are they going to get the funds

They could start by redirecting all the money spent on educating, housing, and medical care for illegal aliens.

 

[buck460XVR]

Lord, I hope not. Be sure to ask them the hard questions. Don't just sit and listen to their diatribe. Taking away millions of ARs from people with no propensity toward violence will do nothing to actually protect my children.

Restricting magazines to five under the auspices that a perpetrator of evil will be killed during a magazine change is ridiculous. Which magazine? The first? Or the tenth, after the police finally get there?

We guard prisons, we guard money, we guard our military installations. Why not my children? And no, it doesn't have to look like a prison to work.

And we seem to find the money for every thing. That doesn't even register on the radar and is also ridiculous to bring up when talking about the lives of our innocent future.

You are preaching to the choir Reverend. No body here is going to deny anything you said. Easy to come to a gun forum and argue against gun control. The American public is a fickle bunch. Their attitude towards guns and gun control sways with the breeze depending upon which news agency they watch and how horrendous the latest School shooting was. Many of the folks I am talking about used the same arguments in the past, that you are posting now. Now they are frustrated and stating "Something needs to be done! Nothing else seems to be working!". These shootings are not being carried out by trained terrorists, but self made Mall-Ninjas with easy access to firearms. This simple fact makes folks think there is a simple way to stop it.

We don't have money for everything. We have money for a wall, but we do not have money to rebuild our infrastructure. We have to cut Social Security to pay the salaries and health insurance of our legislators. School budgets have been cut or restricted to the level they were at ten years ago. Money they spend on security measures, means they have to cut something else. Go to a School Board meeting. Folks want to cough up more money and let staff carry in schools, we have a better chance. Folks tired of paying taxes and don;t want any guns in schools, are going to say legislate more gun control.

 

[beeenbag]

Everyone here knows that security is a layered system. It’s time we start pushing back and push for things that will actually make a difference.

Deter, detect, defend.

Armed teachers and armed security is the last line of defense, but a necessary one.

Deterrent- general knowledge of defensive measures in place will deter most of these cowards from choosing school as a target.

Detection- better entry security, metal detectors, cameras, layered entry doors, etc

Defend- when all other measures have failed, you have to defend yourself or others with force.

 

[PabloJ]

Everyone here knows that security is a layered system. It’s time we start pushing back and push for things that will actually make a difference.

Deter, detect, defend.

Armed teachers and armed security is the last line of defense, but a necessary one.

Deterrent- general knowledge of defensive measures in place will deter most of these cowards from choosing school as a target.

Detection- better entry security, metal detectors, cameras, layered entry doors, etc

Defend- when all other measures have failed, you have to defend yourself or others with force.

We all know this issue is not going anywhere, therefore, like any gun loving American one should accept mass murder to defend an individual right to bear arms in the name of personal freedom.

 

[LOLBELL]

Restricting magazines to five under the auspices that a perpetrator of evil will be killed during a magazine change is ridiculous. Which magazine? The first? Or the tenth, after the police finally get there?

My question is how many criminals will run down to the local sheriff's office and turn in their now illegal high cap magazines if they get outlawed? Any form of new legislation is only going to benefit the bad guys, they don't follow the rule of law now, why in the world would new laws suddenly turn them into law abiding citizens. I am always amazed at the silliness of the gun control discussion after something like this goes down. It's not about getting guns out of the hands of criminals, it's about getting them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, that my friend, will be the only ones who give them up. And if they don't they are now criminals themselves.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

We need to get

Everyone here knows that security is a layered system. It’s time we start pushing back and push for things that will actually make a difference.

Deter, detect, defend.

Armed teachers and armed security is the last line of defense, but a necessary one.

Deterrent- general knowledge of defensive measures in place will deter most of these cowards from choosing school as a target.

Detection- better entry security, metal detectors, cameras, layered entry doors, etc

Defend- when all other measures have failed, you have to defend yourself or others with force.

After my colleges campus shooting, I tried to get the administration of the college to meet with me. I wanted to discuss security and real solutions. They refused. Then someone started an untrue rumor that I was carrying on campus illegally.

I eventually left as the campus wasn’t safe and I was a target by those on the far left because I didn’t join them in their fight to “end the 2nd Amendment”. The person I suspect of starting the rumor was given a year paid sebatical to go out and lobby against the 2nd Amendment.

 

[PabloJ]

My question is how many criminals will run down to the local sheriff's office and turn in their now illegal high cap magazines if they get outlawed? Any form of new legislation is only going to benefit the bad guys, they don't follow the rule of law now, why in the world would new laws suddenly turn them into law abiding citizens. I am always amazed at the silliness of the gun control discussion after something like this goes down. It's not about getting guns out of the hands of criminals, it's about getting them out of the hands of law abiding citizens, that my friend, will be the only ones who give them up. And if they don't they are now criminals themselves.

We need to get


After my colleges campus shooting, I tried to get the administration of the college to meet with me. I wanted to discuss security and real solutions. They refused. Then someone started an untrue rumor that I was carrying on campus illegally.

I eventually left as the campus wasn’t safe and I was a target by those on the far left because I didn’t join them in their fight to “end the 2nd Amendment”. The person I suspect of starting the rumor was given a year paid sebatical to go out and lobby against the 2nd Amendment.

In order to limit such tragic events we would have to have more stringent requirement for purchase of firearms and ammunition along with rules for safe and secure storage of these items by law abiding gun owners once they have them. Since this isn't going to happen we are left with .....accept mass murder to defend.....

 

[beeenbag]

I am not understanding the “accept mass murder to defend” statements.

No... no we don’t have to accept mass murder.

We elimanate gunfree zones and I think there is a tide changing where people are starting to realize that security is the answer.

It may not be civilians or teachers carrying in the near future but I honesty believe now is a good time to push for hardened security and armed resource officers in schools.

 

[tcook90]

In order to limit such tragic events we would have to have more stringent requirement for purchase of firearms and ammunition along with rules for safe and secure storage of these items by law abiding gun owners .....

And there is the fallacy to this argument. You understand that law abiding gun owners are not the problem, right? And criminals don't care about the laws already on the books, let alone any new ones, right? It is illegal, in this case, to bring a firearm to the school. It is illegal to falsely pull a fire alarm, to create panic. It is illegal to murder people. More stringent requirements for purchase or rules for safe storage only affects....law abiding gun owners.

 

[scaatylobo]

In order to limit such tragic events we would have to have more stringent requirement for purchase of firearms and ammunition along with rules for safe and secure storage of these items by law abiding gun owners once they have them. Since this isn't going to happen we are left with .....accept mass murder to defend.....

It VERY obvious that your a real liberal and seems very anti gun.

Trolling here is a waste of your time and not about to have an effect on any here.

We truly grasp that mantra of " do something " as the voice of all liberals that just look to disarm American,the honest and NON criminal one's.

AR-15's were sold in NEW YORK CITY in 1968 when I could purchase one for 200.00 dollars.

Bought my first one in 1978 and have owned too many to count since then.

In just about FORTY YEARS , yes 40 years = that gun has NOT been the bane of all schools.

So the only real difference is the children that are now murderers of their own.

Blaming a tool,gun,bomb etc is NOT ABOUT TO SOLVE the problem.

Doing the same thing over & over,with an expectation of a different outcome is MENTAL ILLNESS.

Look elsewhere to stop the attacks,not at one tool , of which there are literally MILLIONS of in the hands of free and decent Americans.

 

[ourway77]

No longer have schools as Gun Free Zones Every shooting has been in one of these zones I for one am all for training and arming certain teachers Or me as a retired Police Officer would gladly volunteer a day a week for this purpose. Signs have proven they do nothing to prevent this sort of shooting

 

[Merle1]

We all know politicians are more influenced by political contributions than requests from their actual constituents.

In Florida, in the wake of the latest shooting, a large Republican contributor has announced he will no longer make donations to any candidate who does not endorse an assault weapon ban. He is also calling upon other contributors to do the same thing.

He personally addressed the current FL governor, Mr. Scott, who is considering a run for the US Senate, to whom he had previously given funds, and said none would be forthcoming without a policy announcement in the area he is requesting.

This may be where it starts, at least for FL. Or it may be nothing, but definitely something to watch and see if it catches on.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/17/...version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

That started many years ago - where have you been???

 

[ourway77]

I've been in Maryland and Delaware where they still display the signs

 

[theotherwaldo]

You must remember that the goal of the leaders of the gun-banners is to remove firearms from the hands of the LAW-ABIDING.
Criminals, the insane, revolutionaries, anarchists, and the like must have access to weapons in order to impose the social changes that they want.

The revolution can not continue until all of the "wrong" people are disarmed.

-And everything that occurs is a reason to do what you want.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

You must remember that the goal of the leaders of the gun-banners is to remove firearms from the hands of the LAW-ABIDING.
Criminals, the insane, revolutionaries, anarchists, and the like must have access to weapons in order to impose the social changes that they want.

The revolution can not continue until all of the "wrong" people are disarmed.

-And everything that occurs is a reason to do what you want.

Are you reading my mind
I was about to post something similar but you beat me to it and said it better than I would’ve

 

[Ignition Override]

If they decide that ARs are to be manufactured without a pistol grip or flash hider (and have a sunset clause, like the last AWB), maybe they would be fooled and claim a victory?