This feels weird- I may buy a Glock

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Glock 23 is my go to CCW. Own 2 of them now.

Gen4
Largest beavertail backstrap
Lonewolf 3.5 connector
heavy polish on all the trigger surfaces
Warren Sevigny Comp FO sights (on my daytime G23)
Warren Sevigny Carry rear with front night sight only (for my nighttime G23)
Glock 35 trigger bar (gen) trigger safety sanded flush
 
Why 40? The latest data I've seen says it's not better than 9 with good modern ammo. I go for more rounds.

I am a fan of all the major service-pistol rounds. I think they all have some advantages and some disadvantages, and all of them give acceptable defensive performance with good quality JHPs. So, why the .40? There are a few reasons...

I am replacing my PT140 Millennium Pro which is currently my only handgun in .40S&W, so I want a .40.

It is winter. 9mm relies on expansion of good quality hollowpoints for its performance, With winter weather, people wear layers, and layers of clothes increase the chances that cloth will clog the hollowpoint and it won't expand. This time of year I like to go with a larger bore so that if the round doesn't expand, I will have a bigger hole and better chance of stopping an attacker.

Right now, I have two carry 9mms (a Kel-tec Pf-9 and a SIG P290RS) and a full size. I have a .45ACP SIG P250 Compact. I want the larger bore as I mentioned above. I already have a G23/G19 sized .45 in the P250C. If I go that size (G23) I can have 13+1 rounds of .40 v. 9+1 in the .45. If I go with a smaller gun (like the G27) I can have 10 rounds of .40 or 6-7 rounds of .45.

I've been on a bit of a big bore kick lately, but recently I've also been on a capacity kick at the same time. That makes .40S&W the best compromise (in what is always a compromise one way or the other) in capacity v. bore size for me right now. Come summer weather, I may be in the market for a larger compact/smaller service sized 9mm or .357SIG (G19, CZ PCR, CZ P07, SIG P250C 9mm, SIG 229) to have the best compromise for me for that time of year since my current 9mms are either the micro-9s or a full-size service pistol.
 
Have you rented one yet? Rented any other brands?

I personally can't stand the Glock mush trigger and goofy grip angle...and yes I had one.

While I haven't done it in the last couple months, I've shot Glocks several times before. I like them, but I will never love them. They are decent, functional guns. I've been a 1911 and revolver guy, I'm used to guns that "speak" to me in a way Glocks haven't. Still, I have always had them on my list, I've handled them just about every time I've been on the market, and rented them several times. The past few years I've picked up a SIG P290RS, a SIG P250C, and a Kel-tec Pf-9 (the .45ACP P250c is what's IWB on me right now). I've long had a Taurus PT140 M. Pro. So, while I still like guns that "speak" to me, I have come to appreciate guns whose only virtues are functional (i.e. accurate, reliable, well built, and well designed for their intended purposes), which is an area where Glock undeniably excels. I figured if I'm looking at other polymer pistols (P250SC) and especially other striker fired polymer pistols (S&W M&Psc), I may as well seriously consider the Glock. Once I did start seriously considering it, it just seemed to make a lot of sense.

It's hard choosing between the G19/G23 and G26/G27 sizes.

Quentin, you can say that again.

I have two guns that are very close in size (my Taurus PT140 M. Pro and my SIG P250c), and I'm still having trouble deciding (both are several ounces off in weight from the comparable Glocks however). I find both are concealable, but the Taurus is much easier to conceal while still holding a reasonable 10+1 rounds of .40S&W and still being a decent size at the range. However, the SIG does work for CCW, and it is a much better size at the range and living in MD where there is no shall issue, and thus I only carry when out of state, I find I use it much more at the range, or I carry in the house where concealment doesn't matter.

So, I keep going back and forth.

Since I can't CCW full-time, I never really get used to carrying and even with my J-frames, Pf-9, or SIG P290, I feel like everyone knows I'm carrying. I recently decided that if I'm never going to become 100% comfortable with carrying and always feel a bit conspicuous, I may as well go with a larger gun (I know I'm well concealed no matter how conspicuous I feel) and get more capacity. Since I don't carry all day every day, a little more weight means more controllable follow-up shots more than it means I'll leave it home. So, I may as well go with a larger gun (this is my thinking with either choice since until fairly recently I was carrying smaller guns exclusively). The G23 is definitely well within that thinking.

However, looking at my P250c and PT140, there are times that a smaller gun (though larger than the small single stacks and J-frames I was carrying) will be a lot easier to carry. Since I carry IWB, the shorter PT140 is much more comfortable and the shorter butt lets me carry it a little further back without printing. The G27 will be decidedly larger than what I was carrying most of the time (my P290 or Taurus 85CH), it will still hold 10 rounds (9+1) of .40S&W and I can carry 13 or 15 round mags for reloads. If I lived in a shall-issue state and carried full-time I would definitely go this way, and there is a slim chance I may be moving to Philly next year (though a larger chance I'll be moving to Northern NJ with just as small a chance of ever getting shall-issue on the books as here in MD).

I thought I was going to go the G23 direction once I saw the one for so much less than a G27, but I really do want the G27. If money was no issue I'd just buy both, but if money was no issue I'd be buying the SIG P224 and P229 for this role instead of the Glock (and I'm also buying another revolver in the next month or two as well so I really can't just buy both).
 
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Chaim, I just bought a Gen 4 G27 this week. I chose it for 4 reasons:

1. You can make the G27 bigger, but you can't make a G23 smaller. I've got some full size mags on the way already.

Good point. The shorter barrel of the G27 is a nice CCW advantage, and I hear many people who say they shoot their G26/G27 as well as their G19/23 (with how well my SIG P290 and 250c shoot, I believe it- some small guns are just easy to shoot accurately). When I need the shorter butt, I can carry the 9 round mags. When I don't, I can get the 13 round mags of the G23 or 15 rounders of the G22 and put on mag adapters for fit. I can't shorten the G23.

2. The G27 is my only .40S&W, and I wanted a .40 available if/when we have another ammo shortage.

3. For less than $100, you can make the G27 or G23 into a 9mm. I've got a Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel on the way already...

That is part of my thinking as well. During the last ammo shortage, I found .40S&W much easier to find than 9mm. I also like how easy it is to find barrels and other accessories for Glocks, and to be able to make it a 9mm or .357SIG with just a barrel (or barrel and mag for 9mm) will mean I should always be able to find ammo.

My advice is to buy the one you like and you'll soon forget about the cost difference. If you settle for one just because it's cheaper, you'll remember the money you saved every time you shoot it.
That is very true. I have had times I've bought something other than what I really wanted because it was cheaper (or some other rational reason) and been happy. However, 90% of the time, either I'm never fully happy with the purchase, or it ends up costing me more long-term since I eventually end up buying what I really wanted anyway.
 
Wow, yet another "OMG I'm gettin' a Glock!" thread.

OP, once you tuck in behind a G19 Gen 4 and start sending 9 miker mikers downrange, all those prejudices and preconceived notions will go the way of the doo-doo bird and Tasmanian Kangawallaroobie. :cool:
 
Wow, yet another "OMG I'm gettin' a Glock!" thread.

Well, I'm only about 90% decided that I'm getting the G23 or G27. There is still a slim chance I'll get the SIG P250sc in .40S&W. I already have a SIG P290RS (basically a single stack micro-9 version of the P250) and a .45ACP P250 Compact. I love my SIGs, and going with another P250 would keep things simple for carry (with a subcompact my carry autos would be the P290RS, .45ACP P250c, and .40S&W P250sc). However, the DAO (or semi-cocked "safe action") of the Glock still gives it the same manual of arms, and having a little variety definitely appeals to me (no matter how much I like my SIGs) and I do like the vast availability of holsters and aftermarket options for the Glocks.
 
I've made up my mind (mostly)...

I am buying the G27, I'm leaning towards the Gen 4. It is $40 more, but in addition to the G4 features, and probably more importantly, it comes with an extra mag. If the mag was the only consideration, of course I'd go gen 3 (Cheaper Than Dirt has Glock 27 mags for $21), but effectively dropping the price difference to $20 makes the Gen 4 features worth the extra cost. While I'm probably going with the Gen 4, I still might go with the Gen 3 (I don't really need a 3rd 9 round mag- when I go to my next VA gunshow I'm buying some 15 rounders). If I go with the Gen 3 I'll look at the $40 savings as $40 towards night sights (Buds has some Metropro and some Ameriglo that look good for $65/64). Though, while not 100% settled on Gen 4 or Gen 3, I am 100% settled on the G27 for the reasons given for it in posts #28 and 29.

So, now the question, should I go for the features of a G4 (in the 27 that is mainly the grip texture, extra 9 round mag, and 3 changeable backstraps) or save the $40 and put it towards night sights (and a $25 aftermarket beavertail if I really decide that I need it after a few hundred rounds)?

What do you guys think of the difference between Metropro and Ameriglo? If I go with the Ameriglo I'd get the ghost ring (for my bifocal'ed middle age eyes).
 
The G27 is a great choice! I would handle both the Gen 3 and 4 then go with the one you prefer. I bought the 23Gen4 over the Gen 3 because it felt so much better in my hand. When I got a G27 I was surprised that I preferred the Gen 3 feel, the higher hump (than the G23) fits my hand just right.

BTW, I did go with a Lone Wolf 40-9mm conversion barrel - the one for the G23 since it also fits my G27 (sticks out the slide 1/2" but functions fine). Something to consider if you ever see yourself getting a G23 which is likely as you grow to like Glock after owning the G27.
 
Oh boy...after wading through the discussion on which model Glock to acquire as your new carry 40, I finally see that you are replacing the PT140 Mil Pro. I'm in the exact same situation. My carry 40 is also the PT140 Mil Pro and I've been kicking around the idea of a new carry 40 S&W, but not as a replacement. I don't see any advantage in replacing a reliable, polymer, compact with 10+1 capacity with another reliable, polymer compact with 10+1 capacity. Makes no sense to me to replace a PT140 with a PT140.

I want something that's different. I don't always need a compact for carry so I'm leaning towards a medium sized alloy/steel frame gun to add to the carry rotation while reserving the '140 for those scenarios where small it preferred. I have the TriStar C100 in both 380 Auto and 9mm and know the gun so I'm OK with it in 40 S&W.
 
I've had most Glock models and once I shot the S&W M&P 40, I sold the Glocks in 40. I've found the recoil is much less snappy in the S&W and I'm back on target faster. If you haven't tried one, do yourself a favor and do it.
 
Every now and then I think about getting a Glock and drinking that kool-aid. Then I handle one in a gun store and all that goes away.
 
I'm a little late to the party, and see that you've already chosen the G27. Nonetheless, I'll offer this: The G19 & G23 are the same size. Whether that's a concealable option depends (in part) on your wardrobe. Since you're in a locale where a CCL is pretty hard to come by, that only makes a difference when you're traveling (since carrying in your home state is unlikely at best), if I understand your posts correctly. I carry a Gen 4 G19 about 90% of the time or more. However, my wardrobe almost always includes a jacket of some kind, so I could carry just about anything I want under there.

When I was looking for something in polymer, I had a bunch of different guns on my long list, narrowed it to a short list, and the G19 was (obviously) the winner. Part of my thinking was this: If I hated it, I shouldn't have any trouble reselling it. Another part of my thinking, which you've noticed, is that there's an absolutely ludicrous amount of aftermarket support for Glocks. It's not like you'll have trouble finding sights, holsters, or just about any other item. If someone makes it, they probably make it for Glocks. That's just the market at work.

When it comes to sights, I've never tried the Meprolight or Amerigo, but . . . . I got Glock factory night sights, and like them just fine. I've got another pistol with a set of Trijicon night sights and I like the Glock sights just as well, if not better. The Glock night sights were also quite a bit cheaper. I think I paid $55 for them through the Blue Label program. Given your statements about carry, I'm going to assume that you're not LE, though. If you can order your G27 with them already installed, at the very least, that's one less bit of hassle.

Enjoy the new pistol!
 
The G27 is a great choice! I would handle both the Gen 3 and 4 then go with the one you prefer. I bought the 23Gen4 over the Gen 3 because it felt so much better in my hand. When I got a G27 I was surprised that I preferred the Gen 3 feel, the higher hump (than the G23) fits my hand just right.
Before I order online, I plan to go to several gunshops that I don't always stop in to see if anyone has them for less than what it will cost to order online and transfer to a local FFL. While I'm doing that, I will handle several Gen 3 and Gen 4 G27s.

Oh boy...after wading through the discussion on which model Glock to acquire as your new carry 40, I finally see that you are replacing the PT140 Mil Pro. I'm in the exact same situation. My carry 40 is also the PT140 Mil Pro and I've been kicking around the idea of a new carry 40 S&W, but not as a replacement. I don't see any advantage in replacing a reliable, polymer, compact with 10+1 capacity with another reliable, polymer compact with 10+1 capacity. Makes no sense to me to replace a PT140 with a PT140.

Scarpia, I had my PT140 for a decade or a little more and was quite happy with it for much of that time. A smaller compact/larger subcompact .40 (a tad larger than the G27) that holds 10+1 rounds of .40, it is why I don't have a lot of other guns I might have otherwise bought. However, I had one small and one huge problem with it (I need to get it to Taurus to fix the large issue) and with the recent safety recall, my confidence in the gun is now blown. YMMV, and if you have had no problems, then yes, I agree, there is no reason to replace yours. Mine however, may have seen the last of its days (at least the last with me). I have a couple thousand rounds through mine and I'm wondering if that may be the functional lifespan of the gun. At any rate, with the recall, I'm leaning towards taking the cash settlement, though if they offer to replace the gun I'll probably do that since I can probably sell a new/unfired 24/7 or PT 140 G2 for more than I'll get in the settlement (the cash payout is a max of $200 which wouldn't be bad for this gun, but depending upon how many people go for the payout, the amount per gun will drop).
 
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I'm a little late to the party, and see that you've already chosen the G27. Nonetheless, I'll offer this: The G19 & G23 are the same size. Whether that's a concealable option depends (in part) on your wardrobe. Since you're in a locale where a CCL is pretty hard to come by, that only makes a difference when you're traveling (since carrying in your home state is unlikely at best), if I understand your posts correctly. I carry a Gen 4 G19 about 90% of the time or more. However, my wardrobe almost always includes a jacket of some kind, so I could carry just about anything I want under there...

...Another part of my thinking, which you've noticed, is that there's an absolutely ludicrous amount of aftermarket support for Glocks. It's not like you'll have trouble finding sights, holsters, or just about any other item. If someone makes it, they probably make it for Glocks. That's just the market at work.

When it comes to sights, I've never tried the Meprolight or Amerigo, but . . . . I got Glock factory night sights, and like them just fine. I've got another pistol with a set of Trijicon night sights and I like the Glock sights just as well, if not better. The Glock night sights were also quite a bit cheaper. I think I paid $55 for them through the Blue Label program. Given your statements about carry, I'm going to assume that you're not LE, though. If you can order your G27 with them already installed, at the very least, that's one less bit of hassle.

I'm sure I could conceal the G23 just fine (I can conceal my similar sized SIG P250c), but I like the versatility of the G27. From what I read online, most people who have shot both seem to think it is as easy to shoot accurately as the G23/G19, and the Glock style rifling helps the round get more velocity out of a short barrel, so it doesn't have the short barrel penalties many guns have. With the ability to use the G27's flush 9 round mags, the G23's 13 rounders or the G22's 15 rounders (with adapters for fit) I like the versatility.

Since I can't carry 100% of the time since I can't carry in MD, I could go either way. I'm more likely to be dressed casually when I'm shopping or vacationing out of state v. at home, so I'm less likely to need to conceal under less forgiving slacks and a dress shirt. However, I'm also less likely to be wearing a sport coat or suit (a great cover garment). Since I'll never fully adapt and feel comfortable carrying, I may as well carry a larger gun if I'm going to feel conspicuous anyway and get a bit more capability. However, the G27 (with its versatility) gives plenty of capability as well and will be easier to conceal (and if I do manage to get a teaching job near Philly and move there, I'll be able to carry whenever I'm not at work so the smaller gun will be nice).

So, in the end, the G27's versatility won out. If I end up loving the Glock, I may add a G23 or G19 later, or possibly go with the mid-sized Glock if/when I decide to get a gun in .357SIG (I've been thinking about that caliber a lot lately).

As for the night sights, my understanding is that the Glock brand sights are made by Metropro. So, that you like them is good feedback. I do like that they are made in Israel (my second choice behind made in America when I have an option). Though, the Ameriglo ghost ring night sights are still looking pretty good (unless there are some nightmare stories out there about Ameriglo I don't know). Ghost rings are great for quick target acquisition which is a great trait for a defensive handgun. Add in my middle-aged eyes which aren't what they used to be and my bifocals and they are starting to look really good.
 
if/when I decide to get a gun in .357SIG (I've been thinking about that caliber a lot lately).

Its a necked down 40SW.. all you need is a conversion barrel.
 
if/when I decide to get a gun in .357SIG (I've been thinking about that caliber a lot lately).
You'd be better off going with 9mm. A lot more versatility with loads, and a good bit cheaper. More shooting for less money. +P+ 9mm comes pretty close to 357SIG as far as ballistics go.

Its a necked down 40SW..
Sort of, but its not. If you neck a .40 down to 357SIG, the neck will come up short. Ive had it happen a few times, although unintentionally. They still seem to work OK, but my understanding is, the 357SIG brass is built differently than the .40S&W, its not just a neck down thing.

The grip texture and mag release button on the Gen 4 is better than the Gen 3.
Grip texture with any of them is simple to change. Stippling is ridiculously easy, and gives a much better grip. The only factory Glock texture I dont mess with, is the "RTF 2", which is real close to stippling. To bad they gave it up.
 
G23 is the most versatile handgun made in my opinion. Small enough to easily conceal and large enough to shoot like a full size gun. Great size vs capacity ratio and weight. Conversion barrels galore which makes it capable of firing 4 calibers in one gun (9mm, 40&w, 357 sig, 22lr). Has a rail for lights/lasers and can put in a factory 22 round mag for nightstand duty. If concealed carry is the sole purpose of this purchase however I would go with the 27 just because its smaller. That's literally the only advantage of the 27. The 23 conceals very easily for me as its the exact size of the 19, the most popular glock and probably 9mm in general
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner. I and go one better:

the Gen 3 G23 is cheap. As in, not expensive. As in, buy it because it's the most flexible gun in the Glock line and also the cheapest one they make.

boooosh!
 
I'd rent a G23 and a G27 and get a couple boxes of ammo and make your own choice!

When I got my Gen4 21 it made my Gen4 22 expendable and I don't miss it a bit! I'm pared down to one .40 S&W, a Sig P226 and that one is a keeper!
 
I'd rent one and try it out. Glocks shoot fine, they are great guns, they have a different grip angle than a 1911 that points naturally for me.

I never noticed this until I put a red dot on a pistol with the glock/luger grip angle. I was always pointing high.
 
I never noticed this until I put a red dot on a pistol with the glock/luger grip angle. I was always pointing high.
This is something that goes away with a little regular/dedicated use.

Ive used 1911's longer than anything else, and used to think the same thing. After shooting Glocks for a little while, they point as naturally as anything else, and I can, and do, switch back and forth pretty much at will. It might take a mag or two, but it really is just that quick and easy.

I think people just tend to use it as an excuse, simply because they really have no experience with it, and/or just dont like Glocks for whatever reason. This isnt just a Glock thing either, pretty much apples to any of them.
 
... With the ability to use the G27's flush 9 round mags, the G23's 13 rounders or the G22's 15 rounders (with adapters for fit) I like the versatility...

Good point but careful with adapters, when in a hurry you can slam that magazine in and take off half your palm! While you might like to use magazine sleeves on the magazine already in the gun, honestly it's smart not to use magazine sleeves on reload mags so they won't pinch you. Ask me how I know... :eek: :cuss:
 
Sort of, but its not. If you neck a .40 down to 357SIG, the neck will come up short. Ive had it happen a few times, although unintentionally. They still seem to work OK, but my understanding is, the 357SIG brass is built differently than the .40S&W, its not just a neck down thing.


yes but for caliber conversions. it requires nothing but a barrel as it uses the same mags, extractor, ejector, etc.

and Yes the RTF2 was the best frame by far...
 
I have a Gen 3 27 and Gen 4 23. I love them both, but like the Gen 4 grip much more due to the option to change the grip size. I did replace the triggers with a Phantom Trigger from Rockyourglock.com, as the standard Glock trigger does not work for me. That's a personal preference. I also added a pinky extender to the 9 round magazine, as it makes it more comfortable for me to shoot the 27. Finally, I installed TruGlo TFX night sights. I'm not familiar with the Glock night sights so I'm not sure how they compare, but the TruGlo's work well for me. I also own a 19 and 30S, and between the 4 of them I don't believe I've had a malfunction of any type, which is outstanding given the number of rounds I've put through them.

http://www.rockyourglock.com/parts/Triggers.htm

http://www.truglo.com/firearms-hand...ts.asp?catid=E5FDB84FE8F74C239330C1841BDD3D5E
 
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