This is a typical home invasion

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We have threads here all the time about home invasions that are really pretty rare. The ones where the criminals have no prior relationship to the victims and it appears to be a random crime.

This is a scary situation and it seems like it's one of the favorite topics on gun forums. Billions and billions of electrons have been used discussing the best weapons to keep, where to keep them, how to respond when it happens and every other aspect of this situation.

But the truth about home invasions is they almost always fall into one or two categories: Illegal drugs or a domestic situation.

This article is about the latter type:

Festus man fatally shot in attempted home invasion in Caseyville http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_bbca9b0a-e19e-5825-963e-467e3faba05c.html

As usual, the best defense against this situation is to be careful about who you hang out and allow into your life.

Don't go where people who live a violent lifestyle hang out and don't let people who live a violent lifestyle or hang out with those who do into your life.
 
The situations that scare me are the drug related scenarios that have nothing to do with the owners.

Several years back I had a friend in Annapolis (low crime, nice area) that was woken up by a crazed person trying to get in his back door with an axe. At the time, he wasn't armed with anything more than a baseball bat and after yelling at the perp, he left. The police found him 1/2 hour later passed out under a tree. The guy was high as a kite and probably didn't even remember axing down someones door. To me, those are the scariest invaders, as they often don't know or care about anything except their next high.
 
In addition to the obvious, another way to attract this very unwanted attention is to imply or outright advertise that the residence contains firearms, cash, drugs or other valuables. :uhoh:
 
Sometimes the only way to do gun purchases is to use cash.
Like at a gun show, if the seller isn't a dealer with a credit card reader.
Then you've advertised having guns and cash.
Danged if you do, danged if you don't.
 
There other things that can trigger a home invasion are things that are harder to control, such as having work on you home by a contractor, cleaning lady, or other service people. Family members who are in trouble with a gang or owe money to someone, Etc.

If you or your wife wear expensive jewelry. you could be a target.

BTW Bad guys go to gun ranges too and might like to have your guns.

Even your own employees can make you a target.

There are any number of ways you can become a target, it isn't as easy as just hanging out with the right people.
 
Nope but after 25 years in LE I can say that the primary cause of home invasions is hanging out with the wrong people or someone who lives with you hanging out with the wrong people.
 
Just to clarify, that doesn't mean that there aren't other factors that could make one a target, just that the people you associate with is the biggest factor
 
I'm sure that is true. I was pointing out that I have heard of home invasions occurring for other reasons. I personally live in a very nice neighbor hood and have good people for friends. Yet I still worry about what can happen. I guess I worry a lot because I want to protect my family.
 
Yup.
A lie with statistics popular with the antis is "70% of shooting victims are killed by acquaintances." Well, crooks have acquaintances, too; it's not like you were in much danger from Aunt Louise.
 
One elementary step we can take is to not brag to all and sundry that we have guns, and to make sure we are careful as to whom we show gun collections. You don't have to have 5000 Colt Patersons on the wall to be considered as a potential source of guns (or the money for them). Even some of the collections folks have shown off on this and other sites, like a dozen Rugers, could make them targets if a BG can get a real name and address.

Jim
 
Thing is, crooks hit the wrong house sometimes too. I posted a recent story from AL that indicated perhaps the crime was a wrong address mistake. Indications are this one was too ... but they still have a little girl dead as a result.
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A lie with statistics popular with the antis is "70% of shooting victims are killed by acquaintances." Well, crooks have acquaintances, too; it's not like you were in much danger from Aunt Louise.

This is true. Most violent crime is between people who live a certain lifestyle. The antis like to take that fact and extrapolate it into things like; "the gun in your home is most likely to be used on a family member." What they fail to tell about that statistic is that it is mostly made up of people who live a certain lifestyle.
 
This is true. Most violent crime is between people who live a certain lifestyle. The antis like to take that fact and extrapolate it into things like; "the gun in your home is most likely to be used on a family member." What they fail to tell about that statistic is that it is mostly made up of people who live a certain lifestyle.

This statistic is also true when you included all gun deaths including suicides. The average middle-class suburbanite is much more likely to eat the barrel of their own gun than to be killed by a home invader or when attacked on the street.
 
Not too sure about the numbers, so I take them with a grain of salt. What I do know about numbers is that statistics are typically twisted, convoluted, and manipulated to prove a point. Raw statistics are good, refined statistics aren't worth a flip. It's like saying a person is so many times more likely to die of a bee sting than a shark bite...I'm betting that those numbers are twisted by the fishy folks...an area with few shark problems can be the source of that side of the data, so in Alabama a state with extremely small percentage of gulf Coast will have shark issues, but not many, and will certainly have bees, so do some math...

I also understand that things happen. A wrong address, random entry, or a misjudged person are all possible. Another likely issue is that someone you know and love gets tangled up with drugs and already knows what you have. Whatever the case, if you have the tool, be prepared to use it.
 
Recently there was a news report on the radio in the city I work in about a attempted home invasion where the woman living in the house was shot.

According to the news report the male home owner answered a knock at the front door, he was attacked by two men and during the attack his wife was shot in the arm.

Aha! A classic home invasion against unsuspecting residents...

Except...

The very last line the reporter said "Police said there was sell of illegal marijuana at the house."

So for the causal listener it was easy to miss that last sentence.
 
There's a story in the news right now about a hit man that murdered a man when he got the wrong address- right name, just 25 or 30 years different in age. A lot of home invasions are probably mistakes on the part of the invader; they expected drugs or cash but were at the wrong house. But the fact that it's a mistake won't be much consolation to the person who's door gets kicked in.
 
I doubt many homes are invaded by mistake. I never saw that when I was working. Sure mistakes happen, but most home invasions are conducted by people who already know the victim.
 
No, a lot of home invasions are not mistakes.

As Jeff clearly pointed out, it's either about drugs, or a sexual relationship. Read the stats yourself from the Justice Department, they are on line, and the topic has been discussed frequently in the past.

You steal your druglords stash, move to a new location, they hunt you down to recover them and restore respect - by killing you.

You steal an overbearing person's sex partner - who may be manipulating the situation - they come over to recover their "property" and mete out physical punishment on those who facilitated it.

More than 9 out of 10 cases are one of the two - drugs or sex partner. Jeff was being nice, but basically the facts are it's about druggies, dealers, and dysfunctional relationships.

Latest case locally, not reported as a "invasion," a felon drove 96 miles to get a shotgun, bought ammo on the way back, pumped 5 rounds into the new "girlfriend" of the "estranged" wife he'd been living with for ten years, and shot his ex-wife, too.

Read the headlines - it's either a drug hit or revenge. Top two factors in over 90% of the cases.

Exceptionally, we also had the "mistaken" home invasion - perps showed up, knocked on the door, were let in by the homeowner, tied him up, discovered their mistake. Right street, wrong address. On discovery, the left, even offered a hug to the upset wife. Yeah, not all these perps are hardened street thugs. On arrival at the location they were looking for, one was shot on sight. The others are up for murder - get your buddy killed, you are the responsible party, not the trigger puller. That case has key phrases in it that hint about either stolen merchandise or drugs.

The papers aren't always out there about the cause - but they do give hints to the literate.

Jeff's point is that the internet forums are all about "You Wake Up to a KNIFE AT YOUR THROAT!" when the reality is that the people you run with and what they do are the most dangerous, irresponsible decisions made - up front. After that, paying no attention to home security, even making it easier for anyone to just break in is the next level of defense, which gun forums NEVER address. It's about home security, right? But if a gun isn't involved - oh, my, off topic first of all, and second, let's post about guns and their violent power to resolve conflict - not deadbolts and trimming the bushes away from the house.

Even in the discussions about "THEY ARE BREAKING DOWN THE DOOR, WHAT DO YOU DO?" we never discuss how they even chose your domicile, why they accepted the risk, what tactics and lanes of fire could be exercised, what lanes of fire THEY have, whether your family will even put up with rehearsing their response, etc.

We say "they know to go to the safe room," but I know that the typical American female spouse will raise her eyebrows and say "If this neighborhood is that dangerous we are moving!" and that will happen, regardless. Very few of us are forced to live in a free fire zone - we just keep coming up with excuses. Humans fear change and the unknown more than they fear the threats to life they are used to. Ex: The Mideast - with centuries of warfare, they keep trying to make a life there. Humans aren't always capable of making a better decision, they rationalize things to acceptability. It's how some voters put very poor candidates into office.

All this is why the Home Invasion threads are mostly bogus - the rate right up their with TEOTWAWKI and zombies, both equally likely prospects. But what has happened is that the first are generally against forum rules, the second recognized as Hollywood farce. That leaves the fertile overworked and under accomplished male ego to post threads about another very unlikely threat - to talk about how cool he would be wielding his massively powerful weapon of choice and vanquishing any and all evil intruders.

It is very definitely a macho thing for them, common sense and reason aren't allowed to intrude.
 
There's a story in the news right now about a hit man that murdered a man when he got the wrong address- right name, just 25 or 30 years different in age.

The hit man story you are referencing was not a random killing. It was a targeted attack.The hit man lost the address of the victim and went to the wrong residence where he killed the residents to cover up his mistake. So the question to ask about this incident is how many paid assassinations are there?

A lot of home invasions are probably mistakes on the part of the invader; they expected drugs or cash but were at the wrong house. But the fact that it's a mistake won't be much consolation to the person who's door gets kicked in.

It is possible that some home invasions happen not because of the wrong address but rather that the intended victims have moved out. This is especially true with rental properties. The attackers don't know that their intended target has recently moved and the new tenant is the unfortunate victim. Of course before the new tenant signed the lease the landlord didn't bother to tell him about the criminal activity by the previous occupants.

Let's keep in mind that the news media reporting in America is often wildly inaccurate and is slanted to fit the their agenda. For example gang on gang shootings are usually not reported as being gang related at least where I live There was a once a murder involving a big time gang member that was accurately reported on TV as him being one. The next day the same TV station did a apology to the family of the gang banger and reported that the victim was a father and working on getting his GED.
 
So the question to ask about this incident is how many paid assassinations are there?

There are many, many more people arrested for trying to set up a paid assassination then there are people who actually succeed. I've been involved in a few cases, including one where another officer and I were targeted. Not many people who decide they need to have someone killed run in the kind of circles where they actually know someone who is capable of doing it for them. So they go out and try to recruit someone and that's where they get caught. They usually end up with an undercover officer posing as the "hit man" and getting arrested, tried, convicted and sent to prison.

Home invasion is not the greatest threat to safety that most of us face.
 
One nice thing about NC is that criminal records are freely available online. I have the Dept. of Corrections search site bookmarked as a search engine.

Every time I see a "crime" story in this state I run the names of both perp and "victim" against the DOC database.

Guess what the usual outcome is?
 
Guess what the usual outcome is?

That both the victim and the suspect have records. That is my experience. We live in a very safe society. You just need to look past the media hype to realize it.
 
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