230therapy
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Carry a handgun on your belt inside your home. Too bad it's come to that, but that's how the world is.
Home invasion and you
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Deltaboy1984
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I keep a 45 in my easy chair and have other things close at hand. We keep the doors locked and my cats are as good as any dog. They meow when anyone pulls in the drive. We live in a quiet town of 30,000 and the only home invasions attempted in the county have been outside of town and in 8-10 cases the perps got shot and in one the little ole lady didn't have the door locked during the day and they walked in robbed and shot her dead.
FYI you can find companys that do service work that have background checked and screened their employees. If all fails as your local BBB , Chamber of Commerce and local PD about any one you have come to your home to do work.
FYI you can find companys that do service work that have background checked and screened their employees. If all fails as your local BBB , Chamber of Commerce and local PD about any one you have come to your home to do work.
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1911Tuner
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I've got 18 dogs here of all sizes, shapes and breeds. They raise sand even if somebody they do know comes in. They let me know that a vehicle has turned off the main road before their rear tires leave the pavement. I still keep a pistol or a revolver on me. Coyotes are in the area, and sometimes stray dogs...sometimes friendly and sometimes not...are subject to wander up any time. I like remote and isolated, but it does come with a drawback. That being that somebody could be down here demolishing the place, and nobody could see it happening from the road because of the trees. Likewise, a pair of thugs could be handin' me a beat-down in the front yard, and nobody would be the wiser.
1911Tuner
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Nobody said that actually wearing one on a belt is required when lying or sitting. How hard is it to remove it and lay it on a coffee table? Vertical and armed. Lying or sitting, within arm's reach is fine. It's not difficult.
Back in the late 70s...1978-79 if memory serves me...the Sedge Garden area of Kernersville NC underwent a rash of invasions by a guy who became known as "The Ski Mask Rapist." It went on for nearly a year and he was never caught. His MO was to enter the home quietly and hold the lady at knife point while she duct-taped her husband to a chair and forced him to watch as he raped her. He even include a teenage girl for the fun and games once while her parents were forced to watch...after he raped her mother.
Without exception, every victim reported that they never knew he was in the house until he was in the room with them. No chance to respond, even with a quick-access safe unless it's sitting on your lap...and even that would be a stretch.
No, I'll just keep the gun on me or within arm's reach, thank you. It's supposed to be comforting...not comfortable. You're welcome to the Washington DC town council's idea of a home defense pistol if that's your choice.
sidheshooter
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The stakes and the odds, as has been said here before. For whatever reason, my sleepy all-American town seems to get it's share of nightmares; not at all often, but often enough. A few home invasion headlines back, the scary press lead du jour was of a home invasion about a half mile away from me. Some guys saw a college kid's Acura and some video game stuff and decided to make a play; literally out of the blue (not that our vics were chosen "randomly" there were clear reasons, but the choice itself was evidently spur-of-the moment).
As it happens, one of the college seniors owned a 9mm (IIRC) and offered the visitors a small helping of FMJ while they were doing a beat down on the roommate. That put an end to the invasion plans.
There seems to be something "invasiony" around here at least quarterly, if not monthly, but the majority seem to be drug/relationship related. But since I drive a target indicator car, the one I mention above is the one that sticks with me.
Stakes and odds. There was a horrific national-level murder/kidnapping/child abduction/murder close by around 7 years ago. The guy was literally passing through town, and saw his choice of target in a yard off the road, so he took the next exit and the rest is history.
I'm told that the French have a saying "Sit in one place long enough, and the whole world will pass by".
Probably not today, probably not tomorrow, probably not next week... but it's always worth keeping the possibility somewhere in the dusty cracks of our minds.
JMO. Every city has its scare stories. Make an appropriate plan and move on.
As it happens, one of the college seniors owned a 9mm (IIRC) and offered the visitors a small helping of FMJ while they were doing a beat down on the roommate. That put an end to the invasion plans.
There seems to be something "invasiony" around here at least quarterly, if not monthly, but the majority seem to be drug/relationship related. But since I drive a target indicator car, the one I mention above is the one that sticks with me.
Stakes and odds. There was a horrific national-level murder/kidnapping/child abduction/murder close by around 7 years ago. The guy was literally passing through town, and saw his choice of target in a yard off the road, so he took the next exit and the rest is history.
I'm told that the French have a saying "Sit in one place long enough, and the whole world will pass by".
Probably not today, probably not tomorrow, probably not next week... but it's always worth keeping the possibility somewhere in the dusty cracks of our minds.
JMO. Every city has its scare stories. Make an appropriate plan and move on.
Of the almost-half-dozen break-ins and attempted break-ins of occupied homes reported within a two-plus mile radius of my house (all in nice, "safe" neighborhoods) in the last two-plus years, none involved victims with any suspicious backgrounds or connections.
All but one were sudden. One was repulsed by an armed resident; in another, the victim was tied to a chair and threatened, but the perps did not notice the cell-phone on the floor and the person to whom she had been talking summoned the police in time.
In one and only one case, the victim heard a commotion and called 911, and the police arrived in time to apprehend the suspect before he was successful in breaching the door. That was the only one that occurred at night.
All but one (the last one mentioned) involved more than one suspect.
The worst burglary nearby involved an unoccupied house and two suspects, one of whom shot the resident to death when she returned unexpectedly during the day. They had learned her schedule.
One can draw his or her own conclusions about lessons learned. For me, they include the following:
The rate of occurrence, and therefore the indicated likelihood, is low indeed--but so is the rate of occurrence of house fires around here. One must consider the stakes.
All but one were sudden. One was repulsed by an armed resident; in another, the victim was tied to a chair and threatened, but the perps did not notice the cell-phone on the floor and the person to whom she had been talking summoned the police in time.
In one and only one case, the victim heard a commotion and called 911, and the police arrived in time to apprehend the suspect before he was successful in breaching the door. That was the only one that occurred at night.
All but one (the last one mentioned) involved more than one suspect.
The worst burglary nearby involved an unoccupied house and two suspects, one of whom shot the resident to death when she returned unexpectedly during the day. They had learned her schedule.
One can draw his or her own conclusions about lessons learned. For me, they include the following:
- One cannot not count on being in the bedroom or having time to "get to the shotgun in the bedroom" when an invasion occurs.
- One should not believe that being in a "nice neighborhood" indicates against violent home invasions.
- It is wise to stay alert and observant, to keep the doors locked, and to "harden" the home.
- One should try to keep the home fom looking inviting to potential burglars.
The rate of occurrence, and therefore the indicated likelihood, is low indeed--but so is the rate of occurrence of house fires around here. One must consider the stakes.
alsaqr
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Bingo!!
i'm an unlucky sucker because of two home invasions in the relatively peaceful 1960s. One home invasion was by two scumbags who kicked in the steel front door: They wanted my wife. We are alive because there was a .357 on the kitchen counter where my wife was. Otherwise she would have been raped and murdered. i was in a back room and would have probably died coming to her aid.
i love what the first responder, a friend of my wife, said: "Linda, you did a job on this sob."
Do not assume rural residents are immune from violent home invasions. This couple were attacked in their rural home and murdered. The article is out of date, both died.
http://www.kswo.com/story/11300740/update-violent-home-invasion?redirected=true
MedWheeler
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One point to consider...
From the article in the first link:
Now, as a former LEO, I think this could be a good idea. However, I was a firefighter even before that, and that makes me think otherwise. Thorny, spiked bushes under windows are indeed bad for burglars, but they are also bad for people escaping from a burning home.
From the article in the first link:
Now, as a former LEO, I think this could be a good idea. However, I was a firefighter even before that, and that makes me think otherwise. Thorny, spiked bushes under windows are indeed bad for burglars, but they are also bad for people escaping from a burning home.
Poohgyrr
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IMO, carrying inside my home is just like carrying away from home: a personal choice.
I pray to never need the insurances, fire extinguishers, spare tire, security screen doors, dogs, or other stuff we keep "just in case". I have an obligation to make some personal sacrifice to improve my ability to care for my family.
This obligation includes losing five pounds from my gut, and having two or three pounds of emergency rescue equipment (firearm) on my person.
We have had to use the security screen doors and dogs. They more than paid for themselves, and prevented me from having to shoot thugs inside our home.
Just my opinion, and I realize some people are physically able - but mentally unwilling - to accept their duty to use deadly force to stop the use of deadly force against their family or themselves. I could not look in the mirror if I did that, but it is a personal choice choice thing.
I pray to never need the insurances, fire extinguishers, spare tire, security screen doors, dogs, or other stuff we keep "just in case". I have an obligation to make some personal sacrifice to improve my ability to care for my family.
This obligation includes losing five pounds from my gut, and having two or three pounds of emergency rescue equipment (firearm) on my person.
We have had to use the security screen doors and dogs. They more than paid for themselves, and prevented me from having to shoot thugs inside our home.
Just my opinion, and I realize some people are physically able - but mentally unwilling - to accept their duty to use deadly force to stop the use of deadly force against their family or themselves. I could not look in the mirror if I did that, but it is a personal choice choice thing.
1911Tuner
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And there it is...right...there, summed up in a single sentence. A personal choice, but one that many people really don't want us to make. They as much as say so by making snide or humiliating comments...because they don't feel the need to do it, they don't see why anybody should do it.
"I don't see or have a need for a semi-auto rifle with a 30-round magazine, therefore neither do you, therefore you shouldn't have one. So sayeth I"
Sound familiar?
Carry one from room to room or don't. It's up to you and not subject to scrutiny, psychological analysis, or criticism...from me or anyone else.
Owen Sparks
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I see no point in carrying a holstered pistol in my home. The dogs the fenced in acerage and locked doors give me plenty of time to get to a shotgun.
Each time the dogs bark, to you go to the guns? If the door is smashed in by an entry, are you always close enough to run to the gun? Also, easy to just shoot the dogs, throw them a steak.
Haved you timed this out? That's the problem with some statements - not tried in simulation.
Haved you timed this out? That's the problem with some statements - not tried in simulation.
1911Tuner
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Just so. That's why the pistol has such utility. It's handy. You don't have to go get it. It's right there on your belt or on the table beside you.
Remember, too...that many home invaders don't open hostilities by smashing in the door in a headlong assault. Many of them begin with a knock at the door, under the pretense of asking for directions, or to use the phone, or selling cleaning supplies. Once the door is open...if they decide to come in...odds are that they own you unless you have the means to counter it at your fingertips.
Had that happen to me late one evening. Knock on the door. It's a young sweet voice of a woman.
"I need some help. Can you, blah, blah"
I said - No, Sorry.
It didn't sound right. Then I heard her say to a guy on the side - "He won't open the door".
Now who was that? Oh, wait - I have to run and get the shotgun and rack it for you.
They went away.
"I need some help. Can you, blah, blah"
I said - No, Sorry.
It didn't sound right. Then I heard her say to a guy on the side - "He won't open the door".
Now who was that? Oh, wait - I have to run and get the shotgun and rack it for you.
They went away.
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No, I just look out the window. My property is surrounded by a six foot electrified fence and the 5 big outdoor dogs would raise all kinds of racket if someone tried to climb over.
There is only one way to get in with a vehicle and the gate across the drive way stays locked. Sure someone could breech it but not without making a lot of noise. I also have a long "crunchey" gravel driveway leading to the house. You can hear a car as soon as it turns off the road. I am never more than a few seconds away from a shotgun, one stays down stairs and one by my bed. I don't use handguns for HD anymore.
No, I just look out the window. My property is surrounded by a six foot electrified fence and the 5 big outdoor dogs would raise all kinds of racket if someone tried to climb over.
There is only one way to get in with a vehicle and the gate across the drive way stays locked. Sure someone could breech it but not without making a lot of noise. I also have a long "crunchey" gravel driveway leading to the house. You can hear a car as soon as it turns off the road. I am never more than a few seconds away from a shotgun, one stays down stairs and one by my bed. I don't use handguns for HD anymore.
Fred Fuller
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This is another one of those things for which there are many 'right' answers. Different people will want to employ different strategies for different reasons, due to their differing circumstances. Which is why it's "strategies" and not "strategy"in the forum title.
Shadow 7D
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Ah, while, my wife tells the dog shutup
I have found that rewarding her for being territorial is a MUCH better behavior
as she is doing her job, and you let her know that she is being good, she'd happy that you are alerted, you are happy that she is quite.
AND that I now know that someone has entered her perimeter, you can't step foot on my deck and surprise me, unless the dog considered you family, had afew of that category scare me.
I have found that rewarding her for being territorial is a MUCH better behavior
as she is doing her job, and you let her know that she is being good, she'd happy that you are alerted, you are happy that she is quite.
AND that I now know that someone has entered her perimeter, you can't step foot on my deck and surprise me, unless the dog considered you family, had afew of that category scare me.
xXxplosive
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I carry in and around the property most of the time.....I learned years ago after two experiences....."Trouble Doesn't Make An Appointment".....that's why after 38 yrs. I still love my S&W Model 36, great little gun and it's always there when called upon.....saved my arse twice.
1911Tuner
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Yep...and it doesn't always walk on its hind legs. We've got Coyotes out here in the sticks, and even though they've kept a respectful distance, they've gotten a little more bold recently, and don't high-tail it when they realize that I've spotted'em. Not sure why. Could be that their normal prey is scarce and they're hopin' to score a garbage can...and it could be that they're tryin' to decide if they can take me. I don't hate 'Yotes they way that some people do...but I don't want'em in my back yard.
DAP90
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1911Tuner said:
1911Tuner said:
1911Tuner said:
Pot – meet kettle.
I do not carry around the home. I have a young son and we roughhouse and play every day when I get home from work. I don’t want to roughhouse while carrying a gun. It’s a valid reason so I leave them in the safe.
I have two handgun safes in the house. I have both after reading a similar thread on THR some time ago.
I’d rather risk not being able to get to it (an unlikey occurance) than risk having an accident carrying one while wrestling (an everyday occurance). Everything is an evaluation of risk/reward. I am comfortable with my choice. You likely have different circumstances and are comfortable with yours.
Even if I agree that you have greater SD/HD knowledge and experience (and you almost certainly do) I’m not willing to change my situation right now.
1911Tuner
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Actually, no. My response was to his seeming insistence that nobody needs to be armed around the house. Everyone makes his or her own choice based on how they feel about being armed...or not. If it's valid for you, then it's applicable only to you and to your situation. I'm not so naive to think that nothing can happen in my castle, nor so naive to believe that I'll always have the time and/or opportunity to make my way to a secured gun if it does come to that.
As for me...me only...I discovered a long time ago in a land far away that if the weapon is very far out of arm's reach, that it's pretty much useless if and when the nightmare starts. These things tend to be fast, brutal, and ugly.
A wise man once told me that a pistol is like an ambulance. You don't need one often, but when you do need one, you need it desperately and you need it right now.
sm
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*shivers*
Some folks around here know I come up in high-risk business and spent decades doing the same.
I know all too well about not only the "concerns" of a home invasion but have been there and done that, more than once.
I was not only raised right, but had mentors and elders pass onto to me. So know more about all of this, and no, I wish not to share.
I was in a legitimate work. I took prudent steps to do the right thing and every thing else WE discuss in S&T. Still the reality is I was born with a "target on my back" and had to accept this, and all that goes with it.
Still in my experiences, J.Q. Public is "targeted" for various reasons:
-They advertise too much.
-Type of job. (i.e bank manager, or shop owner in general).
Fred and his wife Fran are not just good friends but FRIENDS. There is a difference.
While some others around here are concerned I have "retired" from what I use to do, Fred & Fred constantly make sure I have not become complacent.
Complacency will get you hurt or kilt. I am in the middle of nowhere now, on nearly 90 acres on farm and states away from some "bad guys" that...well, they don't wish me good health or a long life for short...
Nobody knows of me, my past or anything else here. My biggest threats are Meth folks, critters doing property damage and the such. Still I have have had two "concerns" since being here.
One after I had gone to bed early and had to be up at 3 am. These youths were drunk and perhaps high. I had left lights on in the den (which I do sometimes for S&T) and simply lost.
I probably scared the crap out of them, being cautious, and being the way I can be, still they left. "Old man is crazy is hell!"
[it may have had to do with the way I "fondled" a 3 D cell Mag-lite and had a cell phone already dialed to local sheriff dept , direct, and speaking to the deputy whom answered as well and listing in...]
The other occasion when I had a day off, finally, after working seven days a week , 8, 10 and even 12 hours and was going to sleep in . ( wake from the dead if you will)
About 7 am I was awoken by a vehicle coming up my wittle , country lane, then my rural farm , gravel drive ( laying in bed hoping just a "turn around".Nope.
Door bell rang gand it was a good looking young sweet thang inviting me to attend their church,
Maybe I shouldn't have answered this back door with a '29 Colt DS in n one and a 4 D cell Mag-Lite in the other hand but I was awoken .
Sleep is a weapon - anon, but quoted by the Bourne movies series and others...
The good looking honey took it better than others in the mini-van and she actually went to the van to retrieve home-made chocolate chip cookies which she gave me.
I doubt they will ever show up again ,still I wish that good lookin' sweet thang would show up again. Did I mention she was "that good lookin? Oh the cookies were "that" good.
John Shirley "called me on the carpet" (on the phone at the time) about one true incident that happened to me. John and I discussed this "incident and said post by me , since we agreed, post has been deleted,
Keep in mind,high risk stuff.
My ""contribution" to this thread is is simple:
It does not come down to guns. Hell I owned more guns at age five than I do now.
It does not boil down to equipment, as once again I no longer have the equipment nor "resources" as I once did.
It does not matter if one is male or female, nor has the keys to a business, nor combo to a safe...nor...
What is comes down to, is taking prudent, preventative steps to not/lessen being a target. And if worse comes to worse, having the mindset, skill sets, to use whatever tool sets they have to not be "fallen prey".
Pertains to not only those of us in the USA, whether we be in jurisdictions more, shall we say, "pro rights" or abroad with such "no right "attitudes...
Instead-
Take inventory of what and where you are, have practiced plans, and do what you gotta do, within the limits of laws applicable.
Best I can do for this thread...
Some folks around here know I come up in high-risk business and spent decades doing the same.
I know all too well about not only the "concerns" of a home invasion but have been there and done that, more than once.
I was not only raised right, but had mentors and elders pass onto to me. So know more about all of this, and no, I wish not to share.
I was in a legitimate work. I took prudent steps to do the right thing and every thing else WE discuss in S&T. Still the reality is I was born with a "target on my back" and had to accept this, and all that goes with it.
Still in my experiences, J.Q. Public is "targeted" for various reasons:
-They advertise too much.
-Type of job. (i.e bank manager, or shop owner in general).
Fred and his wife Fran are not just good friends but FRIENDS. There is a difference.
While some others around here are concerned I have "retired" from what I use to do, Fred & Fred constantly make sure I have not become complacent.
Complacency will get you hurt or kilt. I am in the middle of nowhere now, on nearly 90 acres on farm and states away from some "bad guys" that...well, they don't wish me good health or a long life for short...
Nobody knows of me, my past or anything else here. My biggest threats are Meth folks, critters doing property damage and the such. Still I have have had two "concerns" since being here.
One after I had gone to bed early and had to be up at 3 am. These youths were drunk and perhaps high. I had left lights on in the den (which I do sometimes for S&T) and simply lost.
I probably scared the crap out of them, being cautious, and being the way I can be, still they left. "Old man is crazy is hell!"
[it may have had to do with the way I "fondled" a 3 D cell Mag-lite and had a cell phone already dialed to local sheriff dept , direct, and speaking to the deputy whom answered as well and listing in...]
The other occasion when I had a day off, finally, after working seven days a week , 8, 10 and even 12 hours and was going to sleep in . ( wake from the dead if you will)
About 7 am I was awoken by a vehicle coming up my wittle , country lane, then my rural farm , gravel drive ( laying in bed hoping just a "turn around".Nope.
Door bell rang gand it was a good looking young sweet thang inviting me to attend their church,
Maybe I shouldn't have answered this back door with a '29 Colt DS in n one and a 4 D cell Mag-Lite in the other hand but I was awoken .
Sleep is a weapon - anon, but quoted by the Bourne movies series and others...
The good looking honey took it better than others in the mini-van and she actually went to the van to retrieve home-made chocolate chip cookies which she gave me.
I doubt they will ever show up again ,still I wish that good lookin' sweet thang would show up again. Did I mention she was "that good lookin? Oh the cookies were "that" good.
John Shirley "called me on the carpet" (on the phone at the time) about one true incident that happened to me. John and I discussed this "incident and said post by me , since we agreed, post has been deleted,
Keep in mind,high risk stuff.
My ""contribution" to this thread is is simple:
It does not come down to guns. Hell I owned more guns at age five than I do now.
It does not boil down to equipment, as once again I no longer have the equipment nor "resources" as I once did.
It does not matter if one is male or female, nor has the keys to a business, nor combo to a safe...nor...
What is comes down to, is taking prudent, preventative steps to not/lessen being a target. And if worse comes to worse, having the mindset, skill sets, to use whatever tool sets they have to not be "fallen prey".
Pertains to not only those of us in the USA, whether we be in jurisdictions more, shall we say, "pro rights" or abroad with such "no right "attitudes...
Instead-
Take inventory of what and where you are, have practiced plans, and do what you gotta do, within the limits of laws applicable.
Best I can do for this thread...
There is no such thing as an "average home invasion."
For example ... Richard Ramirez, "the Nightstalker."
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/nightstaker.htm
For those who live in rural areas and feel that "it can't happen out here," just remember Perry Smith (and of course, others.)
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Perry_Smith_(murderer)
L.W.
For example ... Richard Ramirez, "the Nightstalker."
http://crime.about.com/od/serial/p/nightstaker.htm
For those who live in rural areas and feel that "it can't happen out here," just remember Perry Smith (and of course, others.)
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Perry_Smith_(murderer)
L.W.
Shadow 7D
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Something interstesting
if you watch videio of attacks
too often resistance is 3 things
too late, it isn't until the attack/assault is underway, or often after the person is under control of the BG that they start to fight back.
Tentative, instead of treating it like a life or death fight, the person strikes back, and as soon as resistance is encountered they retreat to a defensive posture.
ineffective
too many have a single person attacked by a group, where fighting is not going to turn out well most of the time, Or single blows, more to lash out, NOT trying to stop the attack.
you have to be prepared to face the fact you may be attacked, and that I think is the GREATEST problem, too many simply refuse to believe what is happening or the seriousness of it.
if you watch videio of attacks
too often resistance is 3 things
too late, it isn't until the attack/assault is underway, or often after the person is under control of the BG that they start to fight back.
Tentative, instead of treating it like a life or death fight, the person strikes back, and as soon as resistance is encountered they retreat to a defensive posture.
ineffective
too many have a single person attacked by a group, where fighting is not going to turn out well most of the time, Or single blows, more to lash out, NOT trying to stop the attack.
you have to be prepared to face the fact you may be attacked, and that I think is the GREATEST problem, too many simply refuse to believe what is happening or the seriousness of it.
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