This is just plain wrong. Even Clinton didn't do this.

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Thank God there are still some judges like Pennsylvania District Judge Shirley Rowe Trkula; although judges of her stripe are becoming rarer.

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Quarantining dissent
How the Secret Service protects Bush from free speech


James Bovard

Sunday, January 4, 2004

©2004 San Francisco Chronicle

When President Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up "free speech zones" or "protest zones," where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush went to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, "The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us."

The local police, at the Secret Service's behest, set up a "designated free-speech zone" on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush's speech.

The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, but folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president's path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign.

Neel later commented, "As far as I'm concerned, the whole country is a free-speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind."

At Neel's trial, police Detective John Ianachione testified that the Secret Service told local police to confine "people that were there making a statement pretty much against the president and his views" in a so-called free- speech area.

Paul Wolf, one of the top officials in the Allegheny County Police Department, told Salon that the Secret Service "come in and do a site survey, and say, 'Here's a place where the people can be, and we'd like to have any protesters put in a place that is able to be secured.' "

Pennsylvania District Judge Shirley Rowe Trkula threw out the disorderly conduct charge against Neel, declaring, "I believe this is America. Whatever happened to 'I don't agree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it'?"

Similar suppressions have occurred during Bush visits to Florida. A recent St. Petersburg Times editorial noted, "At a Bush rally at Legends Field in 2001, three demonstrators -- two of whom were grandmothers -- were arrested for holding up small handwritten protest signs outside the designated zone. And last year, seven protesters were arrested when Bush came to a rally at the USF Sun Dome. They had refused to be cordoned off into a protest zone hundreds of yards from the entrance to the Dome."

One of the arrested protesters was a 62-year-old man holding up a sign, "War is good business. Invest your sons." The seven were charged with trespassing, "obstructing without violence and disorderly conduct."

Police have repressed protesters during several Bush visits to the St. Louis area as well. When Bush visited on Jan. 22, 150 people carrying signs were shunted far away from the main action and effectively quarantined.

Denise Lieberman of the American Civil Liberties Union of Eastern Missouri commented, "No one could see them from the street. In addition, the media were not allowed to talk to them. The police would not allow any media inside the protest area and wouldn't allow any of the protesters out of the protest zone to talk to the media."

When Bush stopped by a Boeing plant to talk to workers, Christine Mains and her 5-year-old daughter disobeyed orders to move to a small protest area far from the action. Police arrested Mains and took her and her crying daughter away in separate squad cars.

The Justice Department is now prosecuting Brett Bursey, who was arrested for holding a "No War for Oil" sign at a Bush visit to Columbia, S.C. Local police, acting under Secret Service orders, established a "free-speech zone" half a mile from where Bush would speak. Bursey was standing amid hundreds of people carrying signs praising the president. Police told Bursey to remove himself to the "free-speech zone."

Bursey refused and was arrested. Bursey said that he asked the police officer if "it was the content of my sign, and he said, 'Yes, sir, it's the content of your sign that's the problem.' " Bursey stated that he had already moved 200 yards from where Bush was supposed to speak. Bursey later complained, "The problem was, the restricted area kept moving. It was wherever I happened to be standing."

Bursey was charged with trespassing. Five months later, the charge was dropped because South Carolina law prohibits arresting people for trespassing on public property. But the Justice Department -- in the person of U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr. -- quickly jumped in, charging Bursey with violating a rarely enforced federal law regarding "entering a restricted area around the president of the United States."

If convicted, Bursey faces a six-month trip up the river and a $5,000 fine. Federal Magistrate Bristow Marchant denied Bursey's request for a jury trial because his violation is categorized as a petty offense. Some observers believe that the feds are seeking to set a precedent in a conservative state such as South Carolina that could then be used against protesters nationwide.

Bursey's trial took place on Nov. 12 and 13. His lawyers sought the Secret Service documents they believed would lay out the official policies on restricting critical speech at presidential visits. The Bush administration sought to block all access to the documents, but Marchant ruled that the lawyers could have limited access.

Bursey sought to subpoena Attorney General John Ashcroft and presidential adviser Karl Rove to testify. Bursey lawyer Lewis Pitts declared, "We intend to find out from Mr. Ashcroft why and how the decision to prosecute Mr. Bursey was reached." The magistrate refused, however, to enforce the subpoenas. Secret Service agent Holly Abel testified at the trial that Bursey was told to move to the "free-speech zone" but refused to cooperate.

The feds have offered some bizarre rationales for hog-tying protesters. Secret Service agent Brian Marr explained to National Public Radio, "These individuals may be so involved with trying to shout their support or nonsupport that inadvertently they may walk out into the motorcade route and be injured. And that is really the reason why we set these places up, so we can make sure that they have the right of free speech, but, two, we want to be sure that they are able to go home at the end of the evening and not be injured in any way." Except for having their constitutional rights shredded.

The ACLU, along with several other organizations, is suing the Secret Service for what it charges is a pattern and practice of suppressing protesters at Bush events in Arizona, California, Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, New Mexico, Texas and elsewhere. The ACLU's Witold Walczak said of the protesters, "The individuals we are talking about didn't pose a security threat; they posed a political threat."

The Secret Service is duty-bound to protect the president. But it is ludicrous to presume that would-be terrorists are lunkheaded enough to carry anti-Bush signs when carrying pro-Bush signs would give them much closer access. And even a policy of removing all people carrying signs -- as has happened in some demonstrations -- is pointless because potential attackers would simply avoid carrying signs. Assuming that terrorists are as unimaginative and predictable as the average federal bureaucrat is not a recipe for presidential longevity.

The Bush administration's anti-protester bias proved embarrassing for two American allies with long traditions of raucous free speech, resulting in some of the most repressive restrictions in memory in free countries.

When Bush visited Australia in October, Sydney Morning Herald columnist Mark Riley observed, "The basic right of freedom of speech will adopt a new interpretation during the Canberra visits this week by George Bush and his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao. Protesters will be free to speak as much as they like just as long as they can't be heard."

Demonstrators were shunted to an area away from the Federal Parliament building and prohibited from using any public address system in the area.

For Bush's recent visit to London, the White House demanded that British police ban all protest marches, close down the center of the city and impose a "virtual three-day shutdown of central London in a bid to foil disruption of the visit by anti-war protesters," according to Britain's Evening Standard. But instead of a "free-speech zone," the Bush administration demanded an "exclusion zone" to protect Bush from protesters' messages.

Such unprecedented restrictions did not inhibit Bush from portraying himself as a champion of freedom during his visit. In a speech at Whitehall on Nov. 19, Bush hyped the "forward strategy of freedom" and declared, "We seek the advance of freedom and the peace that freedom brings."

Attempts to suppress protesters become more disturbing in light of the Homeland Security Department's recommendation that local police departments view critics of the war on terrorism as potential terrorists. In a May terrorist advisory, the Homeland Security Department warned local law enforcement agencies to keep an eye on anyone who "expressed dislike of attitudes and decisions of the U.S. government." If police vigorously followed this advice, millions of Americans could be added to the official lists of suspected terrorists.

Protesters have claimed that police have assaulted them during demonstrations in New York, Washington and elsewhere.

One of the most violent government responses to an antiwar protest occurred when local police and the federally funded California Anti-Terrorism Task Force fired rubber bullets and tear gas at peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders at the Port of Oakland, injuring a number of people.

When the police attack sparked a geyser of media criticism, Mike van Winkle, the spokesman for the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center told the Oakland Tribune, "You can make an easy kind of a link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that protest. You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act."

Van Winkle justified classifying protesters as terrorists: "I've heard terrorism described as anything that is violent or has an economic impact, and shutting down a port certainly would have some economic impact. Terrorism isn't just bombs going off and killing people."

Such aggressive tactics become more ominous in the light of the Bush administration's advocacy, in its Patriot II draft legislation, of nullifying all judicial consent decrees restricting state and local police from spying on those groups who may oppose government policies.

On May 30, 2002, Ashcroft effectively abolished restrictions on FBI surveillance of Americans' everyday lives first imposed in 1976. One FBI internal newsletter encouraged FBI agents to conduct more interviews with antiwar activists "for plenty of reasons, chief of which it will enhance the paranoia endemic in such circles and will further service to get the point across that there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox."

The FBI took a shotgun approach toward protesters partly because of the FBI's "belief that dissident speech and association should be prevented because they were incipient steps toward the possible ultimate commission of act which might be criminal," according to a Senate report.

On Nov. 23 news broke that the FBI is actively conducting surveillance of antiwar demonstrators, supposedly to "blunt potential violence by extremist elements," according to a Reuters interview with a federal law enforcement official.

Given the FBI's expansive definition of "potential violence" in the past, this is a net that could catch almost any group or individual who falls into official disfavor.

James Bovard is the author of "Terrorism & Tyranny: Trampling Freedom, Justice, and Peace to Rid the World of Evil." This article is adapted from one that appeared in the Dec. 15 issue of the American Conservative.

©2004 San Francisco Chronicle
 
Ya, I've been tracking these stories. There's too much independent evidence in support of this crap happening.

Every day, it becomes less likely Bush will get my vote.

"Disgusted" doesn't begin.
 
It happened locally when Cheney visited Evansville.

Story

"I dismissed this case yesterday. I didn't think the evidence established a case that would be successful in court," Stan Levco, prosecuting attorney Vanderburgh County, Indiana, told The Progressive on February 20. "I don't think they were wrong to arrest him under the circumstances. They thought it was a safety issue, and I wouldn't second-guess them."


"They shouldn't even have approached me in the first place," Blair told The Progressive. "Carrying a sign isn't an illegal act in America. At least it wasn't before Bush-Cheney. I'm a little disappointed that Stan thinks there was a safety issue involved, but clearly he understands that I was within my rights."


Strip the left wing rhetoric out of the article and it's essentially the same story as reported in the local paper at the time.

I guess the Administration is forgetting the difference between 'elected' and 'anointed'. :fire:
 
This is just plain wrong. Even Clinton didn't do this.
Correction - this has been going on since at least 1968 that I know of.

I'm not happy with everything about W,,but he's not the one to point a finger at here.
 
Hal, regarding:

Correction - this has been going on since at least 1968 that I know of

It sounds like you know more than some of us about this issue.
Could you please go into the history and practice of this a little if possible?


Thank you

NukemJim
 
Maybe earlier than 1968, but I don't have time or inclination to research it.

Wasn't there a long discussion of this topic last week?

John
 
I was aware of the practice...keeping the opposing groups apart isn't uncommon.

I wasn't aware, however, that they actually referred to the areas as "free speech zones" and "protest zones." Does anyone know if this is correct, or is this some of the San Francisco Chronicle's slant?

jimpeel, Clinton's Secret Service did indeed do it....but so much for w4rma's assertion that you never criticize Dubya, huh?

:D
 
This is nothing new. Vice President Al Gore had US Army Military Police arrest protestors when they tried to interfere with his speech (Autumn 1994, Presidio Army Base, San Francisco). Our government officials have a right to free speech too.

Secondly, a guy carries a sign saying he doesn't like the President. Makes sense to keep these types away from the President for the safety of each.
 
When the police attack sparked a geyser of media criticism, Mike van Winkle, the spokesman for the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center told the Oakland Tribune, "You can make an easy kind of a link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that's being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that protest. You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act."

Please remember this kind of reasoning the next time you hear a debate about the Patriot Act. While it's true the Act only takes rights away from terrorists, it's also true that our government can define terrorism any way it wants. All they have to is conclude that your anti-war views are a threat, and poof, your rights are gone.
 
No, Clinton just had sex with an intern in the Oval Office AND

lost the top secret launch codes for the football AND

had several people murdered AND

gave ICBM technology to the Communist Chinese,

But, he's cool cuz he let people say what they wanted too.

:rolleyes:
 
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This isn't a "presidential" thing, its a Secret Service thing. These sort of security procedures have probably been around for at least 20 years (when Reagan was shot) if not back to the 60s. Now they are ingrained in the civil service methodology unfortunately. By doing this you prevent any militants hiding in the crowd of protestors from getting a clean shot at the POTUS.

I saw Al Gore speak when I was in college and it was much the same.
 
I disagree. It's completely an image thing. Bush's image is highly guarded, hence no press conferences that are not highly scripted, Orwellian "free speech zones" and micromanagement of even the silliest details. Remeber last years flap over Bush's press guys slapping "made in America" stickers over the "made in china" labels that were on some boxes appearing in his backdrop?

Funnier still images of Bush this weekend on the news, cavorting around like a cowboy at his ranch. It takes a lot of work to make a rich northeasterner, former male cheerleader at Yale who has never worked a day in his life look like a good ol' boy but Bush has really picked up the part. He's even got a great Teaxas accent for some one born and raised in the poshest liberal schools of the northeast. I guess it's possible to pick up a new accent in ones 30's though, even Madonna has done it.
 
This is just plain wrong. Even Clinton didn't do this.

I remember a woman and her husband in Chicago who were arrested when she told clinton, "You suck." The statement was in regards to the Army Rangers who were killed at Mogadishu.

The incident occurred when clinton was working the crowd and pressing flesh, so it was a face-to-face encounter.

Secret Service told the Chicago police to arrest the woman and her husband. At the Chicago PD station, the SS questioned her and her husband, I suppose to determine if they posed a viable threat to the president. When the SS was finished, Chicago PD asked them what they were going to do with the couple. The SS said something like, "You arrested them. You charge them."

I think Chicago PD charged them with disorderly conduct in order to deflect a potential suit for false arrest and false imprisonment.

Pilgrim
 
I suggest that there's a vast difference between busting somebody for talking trash to the Prez's face and requiring that protesters be kept out of line-of-sight of Bush and, coincidentally, news cameras.

The former makes a certain kind of sense.

The latter is simply an attempt to stifle dissent.

db
 
The SS told the Chicago PD to arrest the couple. When asked later on what charge the SS walked away. Does that perhaps suggest there is no federal statute that prohibits talking trash to the president?

Pilgrim

Link to Clinton Story.

Charges dropped, but couple audited by IRS.

P.S. My mistake. The trash talk was concerning the 19 airmen killed in the bombing attack on their barracks in Saudi Arabia
 
Jimpeel, Clinton *did* do this. It was done when he and his entourage visited Paducah, Kentucky, around the last of August of 1996. The Secret Service stopped *everybody* with any sort of sign other than official party-issued "Clinton/Gore" signs. If the sign carriers wanted to proceed past the bank of metal detectors they had set up and into the speech audience area, they had to surrender their signs. If they would not give up their signs, they were turned away.

Several blocks away from the place where Clinton was to speak, a "Designated First Amendment Zone" was set up, inside a disused old tobacco warehouse, so that any malcontents were kept well out of sight not only of Clinton and his travelling freak show, but of the general public as well.

It bothers me a lot that Bush is not more different from Clinton, but a lot of this stuff *was* already going on before Bush II came along.

"Misrule breeds rebellion."

Maimaktes
 
Well Jimpeel, it looks like you were off a bit. According to some patriotic posters like Pilgrim, it appears that Bush has just taken a Clinton policy and expanded upon it. That Bush has embraced and expanded such Clintonian devices as "free speech zones" is even more disgusting that if his staff had had the brains to think up such a traitorious and un-American policy on their own. What a buch of scum sucking leaches.
 
I personally think that anybody should be allowed to take their protest signs into the Oval Office anytime they like and interrupt the President. We have rights.

And futhermore, they should be permitted to carry their protest signs into his bedroom in the White House any time they like even if he's sleeping. We have rights.

By God, we have rights in this country.

Right?

John
 
Yes, Clinton did

Right here in Chicago at the last Democrat National Convention.

The Chicago police, under King Richie the II, established "Free Speech zones" several blocks from the United Center. Press coverage was allowed, but none of the candidates or delegates ever saw a protest sign except as they drove by in their bus or limo.

My nephew is a Chicago cop and had the duty of keeping the protestors "in their place". Daley viewed it as a major success because this time no one had their head banged by Chicago cops on late night TV, like the last convention they had here in '68.

There's a line somewhere between giving protestors the ability to bring another event to a complete halt, thereby infringing on the right to assemble of another group they don't agree with, and fencing in and controlling protest.

This kind of control is ugly and offensive to anyone that really supports the entire BoR.

But it isn't one sided and Bill and Hill took great pains to make sure they were never photographed with protestors. They had one guy in Chicago detained for several days because when Bill was working the rope line shaking hands for a typical photo-op, one guy said to Bill that he thought he should be impeached, or some other similar non-threatening crack. (Looking back, the guy was clairvoyant, hmmm?)

This is a really a double edged sword with both major parties beiong equally culpable IMNSHO.
 
According to some patriotic posters like Pilgrim, it appears that Bush has just taken a Clinton policy and expanded upon it.

Expanded upon it? I didn't know this...someone was audited (as in Pilgrim's documented example)? Show me where...I assume you have links, at least.
 
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