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This is just plain wrong. Even Clinton didn't do this.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by jimpeel, Jan 5, 2004.

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  1. jimpeel

    jimpeel Member

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    Thank God there are still some judges like Pennsylvania District Judge Shirley Rowe Trkula; although judges of her stripe are becoming rarer.

    SOURCE

     
  2. Jim March

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    Ya, I've been tracking these stories. There's too much independent evidence in support of this crap happening.

    Every day, it becomes less likely Bush will get my vote.

    "Disgusted" doesn't begin.
     
  3. glocksman

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    It happened locally when Cheney visited Evansville.

    Story


    Strip the left wing rhetoric out of the article and it's essentially the same story as reported in the local paper at the time.

    I guess the Administration is forgetting the difference between 'elected' and 'anointed'. :fire:
     
  4. Hal

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    Correction - this has been going on since at least 1968 that I know of.

    I'm not happy with everything about W,,but he's not the one to point a finger at here.
     
  5. NukemJim

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    Hal, regarding:

    It sounds like you know more than some of us about this issue.
    Could you please go into the history and practice of this a little if possible?


    Thank you

    NukemJim
     
  6. JohnBT

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    Maybe earlier than 1968, but I don't have time or inclination to research it.

    Wasn't there a long discussion of this topic last week?

    John
     
  7. Alan Fud

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    I believe it started with Nixon's first term in office.
     
  8. El Tejon

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    Clinton used the Secret Service and the IRS like that guy in Chicago. What a reaming he got.:uhoh:

    Doesn't mean that Bush should be doing this rubbish though.:fire:
     
  9. Thumper

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    I was aware of the practice...keeping the opposing groups apart isn't uncommon.

    I wasn't aware, however, that they actually referred to the areas as "free speech zones" and "protest zones." Does anyone know if this is correct, or is this some of the San Francisco Chronicle's slant?

    jimpeel, Clinton's Secret Service did indeed do it....but so much for w4rma's assertion that you never criticize Dubya, huh?

    :D
     
  10. Highland Ranger

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    That reads like protest and get arrested. If it it is true . . . . pretty scary.
     
  11. El Tejon

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    Well, the Supreme did just say that government can control the citizens ability to criticize the government.:uhoh:
     
  12. WT

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    This is nothing new. Vice President Al Gore had US Army Military Police arrest protestors when they tried to interfere with his speech (Autumn 1994, Presidio Army Base, San Francisco). Our government officials have a right to free speech too.

    Secondly, a guy carries a sign saying he doesn't like the President. Makes sense to keep these types away from the President for the safety of each.
     
  13. griz

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    Please remember this kind of reasoning the next time you hear a debate about the Patriot Act. While it's true the Act only takes rights away from terrorists, it's also true that our government can define terrorism any way it wants. All they have to is conclude that your anti-war views are a threat, and poof, your rights are gone.
     
  14. bvmjethead

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    No, Clinton just had sex with an intern in the Oval Office AND

    lost the top secret launch codes for the football AND

    had several people murdered AND

    gave ICBM technology to the Communist Chinese,

    But, he's cool cuz he let people say what they wanted too.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    This isn't a "presidential" thing, its a Secret Service thing. These sort of security procedures have probably been around for at least 20 years (when Reagan was shot) if not back to the 60s. Now they are ingrained in the civil service methodology unfortunately. By doing this you prevent any militants hiding in the crowd of protestors from getting a clean shot at the POTUS.

    I saw Al Gore speak when I was in college and it was much the same.
     
  16. Jonesy9

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    I disagree. It's completely an image thing. Bush's image is highly guarded, hence no press conferences that are not highly scripted, Orwellian "free speech zones" and micromanagement of even the silliest details. Remeber last years flap over Bush's press guys slapping "made in America" stickers over the "made in china" labels that were on some boxes appearing in his backdrop?

    Funnier still images of Bush this weekend on the news, cavorting around like a cowboy at his ranch. It takes a lot of work to make a rich northeasterner, former male cheerleader at Yale who has never worked a day in his life look like a good ol' boy but Bush has really picked up the part. He's even got a great Teaxas accent for some one born and raised in the poshest liberal schools of the northeast. I guess it's possible to pick up a new accent in ones 30's though, even Madonna has done it.
     
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    Except for a militant who is smart enough to wear a suit and/or carry an "I Love Bush" sign ..... :rolleyes:
     
  18. Pilgrim

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    I remember a woman and her husband in Chicago who were arrested when she told clinton, "You suck." The statement was in regards to the Army Rangers who were killed at Mogadishu.

    The incident occurred when clinton was working the crowd and pressing flesh, so it was a face-to-face encounter.

    Secret Service told the Chicago police to arrest the woman and her husband. At the Chicago PD station, the SS questioned her and her husband, I suppose to determine if they posed a viable threat to the president. When the SS was finished, Chicago PD asked them what they were going to do with the couple. The SS said something like, "You arrested them. You charge them."

    I think Chicago PD charged them with disorderly conduct in order to deflect a potential suit for false arrest and false imprisonment.

    Pilgrim
     
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    I suggest that there's a vast difference between busting somebody for talking trash to the Prez's face and requiring that protesters be kept out of line-of-sight of Bush and, coincidentally, news cameras.

    The former makes a certain kind of sense.

    The latter is simply an attempt to stifle dissent.

    db
     
  20. Pilgrim

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    The SS told the Chicago PD to arrest the couple. When asked later on what charge the SS walked away. Does that perhaps suggest there is no federal statute that prohibits talking trash to the president?

    Pilgrim

    Link to Clinton Story.

    Charges dropped, but couple audited by IRS.

    P.S. My mistake. The trash talk was concerning the 19 airmen killed in the bombing attack on their barracks in Saudi Arabia
     
  21. Maimaktes

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    Jimpeel, Clinton *did* do this. It was done when he and his entourage visited Paducah, Kentucky, around the last of August of 1996. The Secret Service stopped *everybody* with any sort of sign other than official party-issued "Clinton/Gore" signs. If the sign carriers wanted to proceed past the bank of metal detectors they had set up and into the speech audience area, they had to surrender their signs. If they would not give up their signs, they were turned away.

    Several blocks away from the place where Clinton was to speak, a "Designated First Amendment Zone" was set up, inside a disused old tobacco warehouse, so that any malcontents were kept well out of sight not only of Clinton and his travelling freak show, but of the general public as well.

    It bothers me a lot that Bush is not more different from Clinton, but a lot of this stuff *was* already going on before Bush II came along.

    "Misrule breeds rebellion."

    Maimaktes
     
  22. Jonesy9

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    Well Jimpeel, it looks like you were off a bit. According to some patriotic posters like Pilgrim, it appears that Bush has just taken a Clinton policy and expanded upon it. That Bush has embraced and expanded such Clintonian devices as "free speech zones" is even more disgusting that if his staff had had the brains to think up such a traitorious and un-American policy on their own. What a buch of scum sucking leaches.
     
  23. JohnBT

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    I personally think that anybody should be allowed to take their protest signs into the Oval Office anytime they like and interrupt the President. We have rights.

    And futhermore, they should be permitted to carry their protest signs into his bedroom in the White House any time they like even if he's sleeping. We have rights.

    By God, we have rights in this country.

    Right?

    John
     
  24. DonP

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    Yes, Clinton did

    Right here in Chicago at the last Democrat National Convention.

    The Chicago police, under King Richie the II, established "Free Speech zones" several blocks from the United Center. Press coverage was allowed, but none of the candidates or delegates ever saw a protest sign except as they drove by in their bus or limo.

    My nephew is a Chicago cop and had the duty of keeping the protestors "in their place". Daley viewed it as a major success because this time no one had their head banged by Chicago cops on late night TV, like the last convention they had here in '68.

    There's a line somewhere between giving protestors the ability to bring another event to a complete halt, thereby infringing on the right to assemble of another group they don't agree with, and fencing in and controlling protest.

    This kind of control is ugly and offensive to anyone that really supports the entire BoR.

    But it isn't one sided and Bill and Hill took great pains to make sure they were never photographed with protestors. They had one guy in Chicago detained for several days because when Bill was working the rope line shaking hands for a typical photo-op, one guy said to Bill that he thought he should be impeached, or some other similar non-threatening crack. (Looking back, the guy was clairvoyant, hmmm?)

    This is a really a double edged sword with both major parties beiong equally culpable IMNSHO.
     
  25. Thumper

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    Expanded upon it? I didn't know this...someone was audited (as in Pilgrim's documented example)? Show me where...I assume you have links, at least.
     
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