This will get your blood boiling.
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Kimber1911_06238
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This is the most infuriating thing I have ever watched. Don't try to catch the people looting/raping/attacking people. Be a good cop and go after people minding their own business. How utterly rediculous.
Brian Williams
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Hey folks we have already reacted to this, we still need to keep our heads and keep the pressure on both our elected officials and our NRA type reps that will keep pushing this in the courts and in congress.
Jerry Morris
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Just remember Katrina,,,, when your time comes. It will happen again.
Live Free, or Die!
Jerry
Live Free, or Die!
Jerry
Am I the only one who hates reading things like, "oh, well write your congressman, or take up legal action etc..."
Is that not playing in the same old system that is violating those rights as we speak, or in NO and such?
How do you expect to change or shape a system so corrupt, so slimy, and so hard to handle by playing by their rules made up at a whim to suit them?
But this is horrible. Whats even worse was there is nothing that has happended afterward to show that this will not be tollerated again. People in this country need to wake up fast, or a few more disastors of this scale can see our RKBA completely without a hassle. Of course there would be some pending lawsuits.
Is that not playing in the same old system that is violating those rights as we speak, or in NO and such?
How do you expect to change or shape a system so corrupt, so slimy, and so hard to handle by playing by their rules made up at a whim to suit them?
But this is horrible. Whats even worse was there is nothing that has happended afterward to show that this will not be tollerated again. People in this country need to wake up fast, or a few more disastors of this scale can see our RKBA completely without a hassle. Of course there would be some pending lawsuits.
When this first cropped up as a pay-for-it DVD from the NRA, did I not say that all we had to do was wait a month and it would show up on Youtube/Google Video?
Welcome to the Internet, friends.
(And yes, I'm pissed off about the events behind the video, too. But plenty of people have spoken up about that far more eloquently than I could already.)
Welcome to the Internet, friends.
(And yes, I'm pissed off about the events behind the video, too. But plenty of people have spoken up about that far more eloquently than I could already.)
creitzel
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sansone
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the NRA took that mayor to court and won. join the nra, it's easy
Fred Fuller
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For all the folks who have just now seen these shameful scenes for the first time- welcome to the other side of the looking glass. You aren't in Kansas any more, to mix the metaphor.
This isn't just reality- it is history, history two years old. And lawsuits have indeed been filed. Hands have been spanked. BUT NO HEADS HAVE ROLLED in the figurative sense, as they should. This SHOULD be the true third rail of American politics- it should be political suicide th threaten RKBA. Sadly, it isn't. And in this case, the legal punishment so far hasn't fit the crime. It should.
How many on this thread railed with great vitriol against Jim Zumbo? How many are still unwilling to forgive him? Well, how about focusing some of that same intensity on this issue? How about moving this one forward with the same rapidity that the Zumbo episode unraveled? YES, write letters. YES, make phone calls. YES, donate to those organizations which are trying to do something about this outrage.
Because there is but one other option. IF the sanctions for these actions are not severe enough, some other American politician is going to think they can get away with the same thing. And they will eventually try it.
In medicine, there's this thing called anaphylactic shock. It is a genuine medical emergency, a severe systemic allergic reaction to something- a bee sting, the administration a drug like penicillin, something. But it usually doesn't happen with lethal severity upon first exposure- the first reaction is often mild to severe but not lethal, and is called the 'sensitizing exposure.'
New Orleans was our sensitizing exposure to gun confiscation. The next reaction is likely to be lethal anaphylactic shock... if there IS a next time. Please don't let there be a next time.
lpl/nc
This isn't just reality- it is history, history two years old. And lawsuits have indeed been filed. Hands have been spanked. BUT NO HEADS HAVE ROLLED in the figurative sense, as they should. This SHOULD be the true third rail of American politics- it should be political suicide th threaten RKBA. Sadly, it isn't. And in this case, the legal punishment so far hasn't fit the crime. It should.
How many on this thread railed with great vitriol against Jim Zumbo? How many are still unwilling to forgive him? Well, how about focusing some of that same intensity on this issue? How about moving this one forward with the same rapidity that the Zumbo episode unraveled? YES, write letters. YES, make phone calls. YES, donate to those organizations which are trying to do something about this outrage.
Because there is but one other option. IF the sanctions for these actions are not severe enough, some other American politician is going to think they can get away with the same thing. And they will eventually try it.
In medicine, there's this thing called anaphylactic shock. It is a genuine medical emergency, a severe systemic allergic reaction to something- a bee sting, the administration a drug like penicillin, something. But it usually doesn't happen with lethal severity upon first exposure- the first reaction is often mild to severe but not lethal, and is called the 'sensitizing exposure.'
New Orleans was our sensitizing exposure to gun confiscation. The next reaction is likely to be lethal anaphylactic shock... if there IS a next time. Please don't let there be a next time.
lpl/nc
This brings up a VERY good point that I have held in my memory, but have never voiced on any forum.
I remember the aftermath of Katrina well (you can read my posts).
I remember all of the LEO's that came from other parts of the country to "help" keep order. Intentions may have been good, but I never felt more "occupied" as I did when they arrived.
The out-of-area LEOs oozed a "do not step out of line" attitude. They seemed to relish having this attitude.
I'll probably get flamed for saying this but frankly I don't care. Its easy to have an opinion of what I say if you didn't live through it. I can be appreciative of someone coming down and genuinely wanting to help. However, for the most part, we were all looked at like we were already criminals.
Frankly, considering the attitude and treatment I saw routinely, I wish they stayed home. I felt more threatened by them than I ever did from my fellow citizens.
I will always remember what happened around Katrina. So do ALL of my neighbors. We won't forget it, and it WON'T happen again. Our legislators have supported this view.
Stormtroopers will not walk our streets again.
Edit: I want to point out one thing I forgot. We KNEW that confiscation was a strong possibility --even though we didn't hear about this until much after. I could see by the attitudes we saw in the LEO's that we could not trust them. I was armed to the teeth constantly, but I had the common sense not to draw attention to that fact or have anything visible around LEO's. A dog can sense when it is threatened-- it's called instinct. You have to listen to your instincts. Chances are that the little voice inside your head isn't far from the mark.
John
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Why CHP?? Where was the LA State Police and National Guard? Oh ... Oops ... my bad. I forgot all about the poker and bridge tourneys coincidentally in play during the aftermath.
CHP are empty uniforms, but they'd make out great in Mardi Gras. Their costumes are so close to the real thing.
CHP are empty uniforms, but they'd make out great in Mardi Gras. Their costumes are so close to the real thing.
El Tejon
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Lee, and that is what we need to work towards, insuring that there is not a lethal shock by codifying our outrage.
Who's still persuing legal action against Nagan and his Police Chief? Whoever they are, they should be sent a nice big donation with the provision that they use that money to utterly ruin both of these men.
Use your outrage and support aggressive organizations attacking the Antis though the courts, media and legislation.
Use your outrage and support aggressive organizations attacking the Antis though the courts, media and legislation.
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Yep, I hate to admit it but the thugs that tackled the old lady were CHP (the news crew was a SF local crew doing a story on how the CHP was helping in NO).
I met one of the CHPer in that story. He claims she had a big assed switchblade and that she was a threat. I had to bite my tongue to stop the bile that was coming up. We were waiting to for our FFL to buy AR lowers.
And he was bitching about how he couldn't get a letter from his dept to buy a "real" AR. I've never felt such an urge to bitchslap a dude in my entire life than I did at that moment.
After seeing what happened in NO. I will say it loud and clear
IF EVER A GUN CONFISCATION CAME, THE LE'S ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS....THEY WILL NOT REFUSE AN ORDER TO CONFISCATE YOUR LEGAL FIREARMS AND WILL MOST LIKELY SHOOT YOU IF YOU RESIST.
New Orleans is proof of that happening. So be prepared for a fight. I know if I was in NO, they'd have to answer to my FAL before you pulled me out of my safe well stocked home and put me in some thunderdome area (where rapes, murders happened frequently with no recourse).
I met one of the CHPer in that story. He claims she had a big assed switchblade and that she was a threat. I had to bite my tongue to stop the bile that was coming up. We were waiting to for our FFL to buy AR lowers.
And he was bitching about how he couldn't get a letter from his dept to buy a "real" AR. I've never felt such an urge to bitchslap a dude in my entire life than I did at that moment.
After seeing what happened in NO. I will say it loud and clear
IF EVER A GUN CONFISCATION CAME, THE LE'S ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS....THEY WILL NOT REFUSE AN ORDER TO CONFISCATE YOUR LEGAL FIREARMS AND WILL MOST LIKELY SHOOT YOU IF YOU RESIST.
New Orleans is proof of that happening. So be prepared for a fight. I know if I was in NO, they'd have to answer to my FAL before you pulled me out of my safe well stocked home and put me in some thunderdome area (where rapes, murders happened frequently with no recourse).
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luxone
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I find it more than a little disheartening that on a forum that I have always assumed was filled with well informed gun owners that this video of New Orleans gun confiscations is being treated as if it happened yesterday. Don’t get me wrong this is one of those things that we must never forget! That being said, it is also an issue that we should have already addressed with and made clear to our elected officials that we will not tolerate! The fact that there are gun owners who this is new info to tells me that these folks need to join some pro-2A organization. I’m not promoting any particular one. Join NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF I don’t care which one you pick. All of these organizations have been on top of this matter since the day it happened. If every gun owner was a member of some pro-2A organization and subscribed to their email newsletter they would have known about this the moment it happened and could have played a role in getting legislation passed that would help prevent this in the future. I think that this thread has made it abundantly clear that there are more than a few gun owners out there who are “asleep at the wheel”. C’mon folks it takes a lot more than posting in internet forums to protect our rights and if some of us continue to walk around with our head in the clouds we are going to be in a world of hurt! I am horrified of a future where one day millions of gun owners wake up and discover a video on youtube notifying them that their rights guaranteed by the 2nd amendment were revoked 2 years earlier! Think that sounds ridiculous? I think it sounds like exactly what is happening right now with the New Orleans gun confiscations that happened 1-1/2 years ago! We NEEDED your blood to be boiling then!
Lux out!
Lux out!
Jerry Morris
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In a manner of speaking, it was yesterday. Just like Ruby Ridge and Waco. I believe, it is also tomorrow.
Jerry
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luxone
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Jerry and 50,
You guys know exactly what I'm talking about! I made it clear in my post that we can't forget these things. Same applies for Ruby Ridge and Waco. My original post is not about the need to forget this it's about the fact that responsible gun rights advocates should have been all over this when it happened! When we needed them to be! When it was fresh in EVERYONES mind. Not 1-1/2 years later when it resurfaces on YouTube and someone discovers while sifting through crap!
You guys know exactly what I'm talking about! I made it clear in my post that we can't forget these things. Same applies for Ruby Ridge and Waco. My original post is not about the need to forget this it's about the fact that responsible gun rights advocates should have been all over this when it happened! When we needed them to be! When it was fresh in EVERYONES mind. Not 1-1/2 years later when it resurfaces on YouTube and someone discovers while sifting through crap!
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PILMAN
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I remember seeing these videos on givethemback.com
Luxone, I echo your sentiment, but I want to also point out that many on this thread are only re-reacting to it. I've seen this and many other things like this before, and my outrage doesn't lessen with each viewing.
However, if there is ONE person that hasn't seen this, we still have work to do.
I referred in an earlier post on this thread to feeling "occupied" a lot of the time. I seriously hope NO ONE here ever has to feel that way. But if you do, I hope you know where your convictions lie beforehand. I hope you are able to recite the laws that protect you, and are willing and able to insure that EVIL unlawful actions of blind fools will not happen again.
While I have always been assertive of our rights, I was still shocked that what happened COULD happen. A year and a half ago, my life and perspectives changed forever--- and I can say that same about many in this area.
I have some real questions for all of you. I am not adovocating ANY course of action and I am specfically asking that everyone NOT answer these questions on this or any forum. I would like you to take some personal time and reflect internally on these questions and what your answers would be.
It is one thing to talk about asserting your rights and academically considering courses of action. However, it is a FAR different thing when "rubber hits the road" and you are facing this in real life. It may be impossible to get a true answer from within without understanding and FEELING the environmental scenerio. Down here, we all know about the gun confiscations, but did you also know that Washington, St. Taminany, and other parishes issued executive orders that allowed LEO's to confiscate your fuel for official use?
Consider this.... Your limited resources are literally the difference between making it or not. You find out that there are officials authorized to SIEZE the resources you need to survive.
Back to the questions. (Remember, don't answer these here)
LEO's come to your home and explain that they need your fuel that for their vehicles and inform you that they are taking it. Do you allow it? How would you prevent it?
LEO's kick in your front door and try to drag you forcibly from your home. What do you do?
LEO's inform you that they are taking all means of protecting yourself away. Taking these away leaves you and your loved ones at the mercy of many threats. You will be left disarmed. Do you comply with this? Do you resist this? How would you do so?
There are a few facts that EVERYONE needs to understand and get clearly into their heads:
1. We heard a lot on the radio that "MARTIAL LAW" had been declared. This is a LIE! Martial law anywhere in the US can ONLY be declared by an act of the U.S. CONGRESS. That DID NOT HAPPEN.
2. Because Martial Law WAS NOT LEGALLY DECLARED, there was absolutely NO BASIS to circumvent the Bill of Rights.
3. Even if a "Declaration of Emergency" was the best that could be mustered, it does NOT trump the Bill of Rights.
4. The Rights that were infringed were not inconvieniences, they literally were the difference between making it or not.
5. ALWAYS question and call out anytime the media says that Martial Law is being declared. People, this is CONDITIONING us to believe our RIGHTS are at the government's whims-- many could say we are getting used to the concept of storm troopers coming in and ordering us around. Isn't that handy?
Take some time to thing about these things. I hope you never have a reason to come up against such delimmas, but I do hope you already know what you will do and not do something impulsively that you may wish you had handled differently.
John
However, if there is ONE person that hasn't seen this, we still have work to do.
I referred in an earlier post on this thread to feeling "occupied" a lot of the time. I seriously hope NO ONE here ever has to feel that way. But if you do, I hope you know where your convictions lie beforehand. I hope you are able to recite the laws that protect you, and are willing and able to insure that EVIL unlawful actions of blind fools will not happen again.
While I have always been assertive of our rights, I was still shocked that what happened COULD happen. A year and a half ago, my life and perspectives changed forever--- and I can say that same about many in this area.
I have some real questions for all of you. I am not adovocating ANY course of action and I am specfically asking that everyone NOT answer these questions on this or any forum. I would like you to take some personal time and reflect internally on these questions and what your answers would be.
It is one thing to talk about asserting your rights and academically considering courses of action. However, it is a FAR different thing when "rubber hits the road" and you are facing this in real life. It may be impossible to get a true answer from within without understanding and FEELING the environmental scenerio. Down here, we all know about the gun confiscations, but did you also know that Washington, St. Taminany, and other parishes issued executive orders that allowed LEO's to confiscate your fuel for official use?
Consider this.... Your limited resources are literally the difference between making it or not. You find out that there are officials authorized to SIEZE the resources you need to survive.
Back to the questions. (Remember, don't answer these here)
LEO's come to your home and explain that they need your fuel that for their vehicles and inform you that they are taking it. Do you allow it? How would you prevent it?
LEO's kick in your front door and try to drag you forcibly from your home. What do you do?
LEO's inform you that they are taking all means of protecting yourself away. Taking these away leaves you and your loved ones at the mercy of many threats. You will be left disarmed. Do you comply with this? Do you resist this? How would you do so?
There are a few facts that EVERYONE needs to understand and get clearly into their heads:
1. We heard a lot on the radio that "MARTIAL LAW" had been declared. This is a LIE! Martial law anywhere in the US can ONLY be declared by an act of the U.S. CONGRESS. That DID NOT HAPPEN.
2. Because Martial Law WAS NOT LEGALLY DECLARED, there was absolutely NO BASIS to circumvent the Bill of Rights.
3. Even if a "Declaration of Emergency" was the best that could be mustered, it does NOT trump the Bill of Rights.
4. The Rights that were infringed were not inconvieniences, they literally were the difference between making it or not.
5. ALWAYS question and call out anytime the media says that Martial Law is being declared. People, this is CONDITIONING us to believe our RIGHTS are at the government's whims-- many could say we are getting used to the concept of storm troopers coming in and ordering us around. Isn't that handy?
Take some time to thing about these things. I hope you never have a reason to come up against such delimmas, but I do hope you already know what you will do and not do something impulsively that you may wish you had handled differently.
John
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Two years ago? So. What about it?
Sorry, but this will never be old news. It should never be considered old news. That is unless some feel that this should be a frequent event to keep it all nice and fresh in our minds just so we won't feel like it's old news. An occurrence like this should never be repeated, anywhere in this country.... but I don't think that's being realistic.
I would like to think that most of the members in here already belong to pro-Second Amendment organizations, donate money to help fight the various just causes, write their Senators and Representatives, and vote. (As some of the LEO postings I've read in here is only preaching to the choir.) So, believing for the most part that we're a fine group who belong to an even bigger group or family of law abiding, responsible, civic minded citizens who are also firearms owners, we keep our noses clean, do our civic duty, and take an active interest in protecting our civil liberties. We know what we're suppose to do to get along in society and do it.
Well, in my mind, LEOs are no different. They are sworn to protect and uphold the laws by which we live. What greater laws are there than the ones guaranteeing our civil liberties? Every day, an LEO has the prerogative when given a order that would have them do something that is just plain WRONG and or actually ILLEGAL to follow that order or not. I don't give a rats ass whether or not a decision to do the RIGHT or LEGAL thing instead places them at odds within their ranks or not.
They have to use their heads just like the rest of us. Oops, what? 
Whoa, hold it right there buckoo! 
HOW DARE I suggest such a revolutionary idea? That will NEVER happen! An order is an order, NO MATTER how ridiculous! It doesn't matter if we're going door to door doing something that is wrong and reprehensible. Remember..... we're wearing the badges!!! 
Why, we live and die by our code and orders!
OK, OK, so be that as it may.
Factoid 1: It's absolutely true, you CANNOT paint all LEOs with a broad stroke of a brush and think of them or feel that it's a majority of them that belong labeled or placed in the same boat as the thugs in NO (including the administration) we are upset with.
Factoid 2: But, the good guy LEOs and all others have got to realize that the next time a "situation" arises that mimics what happened in NO, everyone with half a brain will reflect back on that time and figure that into their response to groups of LEOs and the like going door to door.....
Sorry, but this will never be old news. It should never be considered old news. That is unless some feel that this should be a frequent event to keep it all nice and fresh in our minds just so we won't feel like it's old news. An occurrence like this should never be repeated, anywhere in this country.... but I don't think that's being realistic.
I would like to think that most of the members in here already belong to pro-Second Amendment organizations, donate money to help fight the various just causes, write their Senators and Representatives, and vote. (As some of the LEO postings I've read in here is only preaching to the choir.) So, believing for the most part that we're a fine group who belong to an even bigger group or family of law abiding, responsible, civic minded citizens who are also firearms owners, we keep our noses clean, do our civic duty, and take an active interest in protecting our civil liberties. We know what we're suppose to do to get along in society and do it.
Well, in my mind, LEOs are no different. They are sworn to protect and uphold the laws by which we live. What greater laws are there than the ones guaranteeing our civil liberties? Every day, an LEO has the prerogative when given a order that would have them do something that is just plain WRONG and or actually ILLEGAL to follow that order or not. I don't give a rats ass whether or not a decision to do the RIGHT or LEGAL thing instead places them at odds within their ranks or not.
They have to use their heads just like the rest of us. Oops, what? Whoa, hold it right there buckoo! HOW DARE I suggest such a revolutionary idea? That will NEVER happen! An order is an order, NO MATTER how ridiculous! It doesn't matter if we're going door to door doing something that is wrong and reprehensible. Remember..... we're wearing the badges!!! Why, we live and die by our code and orders! OK, OK, so be that as it may.
Factoid 1: It's absolutely true, you CANNOT paint all LEOs with a broad stroke of a brush and think of them or feel that it's a majority of them that belong labeled or placed in the same boat as the thugs in NO (including the administration) we are upset with.
Factoid 2: But, the good guy LEOs and all others have got to realize that the next time a "situation" arises that mimics what happened in NO, everyone with half a brain will reflect back on that time and figure that into their response to groups of LEOs and the like going door to door.....
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Who came up with the brain damaged illegal idea to take peoples guns?
I couldn't just hand over my equipment I use to survive, be it guns, food, fuel or whatever. I would also have a hard time leaving family pets.
One of the few times where people really depended on their guns for survival and they are stolen. I wonder how many people died because of this.
I couldn't just hand over my equipment I use to survive, be it guns, food, fuel or whatever. I would also have a hard time leaving family pets.
One of the few times where people really depended on their guns for survival and they are stolen. I wonder how many people died because of this.
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