Thoughts on choosing a Trainer or a School to attend

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I posted this on The Firing Line in response to a question about choosing a trainer or a school, and I thought I'd cross-post it here. It goes on for a while, but for anyone wanting to take some training and doesn't know how to evaluate which one, or even if the one you're considering taking is worth the investment, this might be of help.



Rather than tell you where to go, or that I liked XXXXX school/trainer with nothing besides, "I think he's the best" by way to substantiate that endorsement, I'll share some thoughts about how to pick the place you want to go.



First and foremost, I'd recommend avoiding anything to do with a heavy bent on flashy marketing and super-secret techniques. There is nothing super-secret. Good quality training focuses on acquiring and mastering fundamentals. The really good schools and trainers have programs and instructors who are just really good at teaching those fundamentals in their course syllabus, drills, and sometimes individual instructor personality.

I strongly suggest avoiding a school you come across that surrounds itself in a cult of personality. If you come across one with that cult of personality surrounding a particular person, well let's just say I hope he is the Messiah that he truly believes himself to be. His students might need his powers of resurrection.

I'd be suspect of anything you come across that seems like it offers a lot in the way of "gimmicks". You know gimmicks when you see them. We've all been exposed to marketing many times a day in our modern lives. It's hard to describe, but like the Supreme Court concluded when it tried to differentiate between art and pornography, "you know it when you see it." Remember point number one - good quality training concentrates on acquiring and mastering the fundamentals.

Before I took a class, I'd investigate to see if they have a strong preference for a given weapon system that they can't articulate and substantiate the benefit for why they advocate for it. Gunsite's program is known as having a preference for the 1911. They can articulate the reasons well. They point to it as having the best trigger system of any handgun - it doesn't change from the first to the second shot, and the path it travels -straight back - means the student has less to try to master - vs. the pivoting trigger. Notice they say nothing in the way of "hype" about it chambering the big and powerful .45 ACP. The reasoning is emminently practical and mechanical.

Cirriculums and schools that place inordinate weight on the lesser benefits of a system - like capacity - over the more important ones - like gun fit and control - should be investigated. More often than not you'll find the reason they favor their system has more to do with limited experiences coupled with a personal preference that doesn't take into account the life experience, abilities, and limitations of others.

Look for schools and instructors that have a well-rounded background. Your local cop, or the veteran of a 20 year career on a SWAT Team might be a great guy, and great shot, and seem very knowledable about what he knows. But cops are generally young and fit, not old or plagued with health problems. The strong and fit can often just power through a drill or use a weapon platform that someone who isn't young and fit can't. Make sure the instructors have the experience and background that enables them understand and empathize with those sorts of students. Otherwise the cirriculum and techniques will be built around a subset of the population - the fit and strong.

Look for someone not married to a gun, system, and training regimen to the exclusion of something else unless they've got a good reason for their preference. Trainers who go out and get training themselves from other trainers should bump their program or school up to the top of your list. Lots of shooting competitions, awards, and inter-police/military service training by itself doesn't count for consideration. You're not interested in what he can do, you're interested in his ability to teach, and to have successfully taught it to a wide and varied range of students.

High round count courses don't equal better training. In fact, there reaches a point where the student becomes fatigued by recoil and merely begins going through the motions to complete the next course of fire and get it over with. The effort to get through it starts to supercede focusing on learning the point of the exercise. It depends on the caliber, physical strength and simple endurance, but generally at some point around 800 rounds recoil fatigue sets in.

While I'm on the topic of caliber, take the class with a 9mm or .38 Special. Yes, they're considered meek in today's world. But remember this is training, not practice. You're there to learn the material, not master it. You master the material in practice. You need your mind and body fresh to learn.

Also on the topic of round count, remember to look for breaks built into the syllabus for classroom instruction. There better be some built in. At a minimum you should be provided a legal briefing on the concept of justification. Try to find out what the justification model is, or is based on. Avoid justification models lifted solely from policing sources. Police are duty-sworn and have a mandate to act, so their justification models are written and begin with an assumption of that duty to act. The appropriate model for the Armed Citizen stems from an assumption of necessity.

Lastly, and probably most important - remember you mission. Remember your mission. Remember your mission. As you do your research you'll begin looking at lots of schools, cirriculums, and programs. Don't allow yourself to get caught up in it. What's your mission? What's the goal of your training? Someone living in a Shall Issue state and intends to carry outside the home on a permit/license will have a different mission than someone who cannot. And someone who carries as a duty will have a different mission than both of them. The best high risk civilian contractor course might be very appropriate for a certain group of people, while being completely mismatched to another group of students. Again, remember your mission.



I've given out a lot to consider. But like I mentioned from the outset, rather than pronounce someone or some school "the best", if you use those criteria you'll be able to judge for yourself the wheat from the chaff. I don't know what's best for you. No one does. Only you can determine that. Once you know what to look for, you'll be able to guide your own training path, in the way that's best for you.
 
Thanks, I've started to look for my first Carbine class to attend, and this has really been helpful. Time to keep researching.
 
Thanks for the kind words. I'm just very fortunate, and thought I'd share the little knowledge I had gained through that good fortune.


If I had known it was going to be made a sticky, I would have paid better attention to the grammar and spelling.
 
Thanks for the great tips, I am thinking about getting a gun and am trying to figure out the when and where of taking a class.
 
From the most recent update to Farnam's Quips page:

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http://www.defense-training.com/quips/21Mar10.html

Selecting Shooting Schools

21 Mar 10

From a friend and colleague. Advice with regard to selecting shooting instruction/school/seminar:

"(1) Be suspicions of flashy, tacky marketing and 'super-secret' techniques (gimmicks), 'known to only the select few.' There are no 'secrets' in what we teach. Quality training always focuses on acquiring and mastering fundamentals. There is precious little 'glamour' to any of it! Come to work, or don't bother. Nothing worthwhile may be had without effort, and personal devotion. Belief in 'magic' is for children!

(2) By the same token, be suspicions of schools that surround themselves in a cult of personality. Yes, beware of 'Grand Masters,' 'Imperial Wizards, ' ad nauseam. Most of these guys don't even carry a gun, and they too often forget who is working for whom! When someone finds it necessary to endlessly recite his entire resume, it always makes me wonder why I never heard of him! True Masters relentlessly present themselves merely as devoted servants, just humble fellow-students, dedicated to the advancement of the Art and the improvement of their students. The best instructors inspire, rather than 'impress.' That pompous 'messiah' had better believe his own press releases, as his students will likely need his powers of resurrection!

(3) Beware of schools that exhibit an overwhelming preference for a particular brand/type/caliber of gun. No one pistol, rifle, nor shotgun is perfect for everyone in every circumstance, and legitimate instructors have enough respect for their students to keep personal preferences hidden. Good instructors provide students with honest advice, but not wearisome dogma. There are many legitimate choices, and, while we all have personal preferences, students must be allowed the freedom to make their own decisions. Again, the goal of the instructor and the student is always the same: the improvement of the student!

(4) Take note of schools that are 'circumstance-specific.' A school devoted to training individual contractors how to fight effectively in Afghanistan, or one that teaches SWAT-team members the fine points of conducting a drug-raid in the inner-city, or another that teaches aspiring competitors secrets of winning acheronian pistol matches, should all be of scant interest to non-police gun-owners who desperately need to know how to correctly handle, store, carry, and employ guns within a domestic, civilian environment and a civilian criminal-justice system. Good instructors have a sufficient depth of knowledge, experience, and empathy so as to understand and sympathize with all students who come to them, not just the young, strong, and fit.

(5) A high round-count does not necessarily equate to superior training. Excessive consumption of ammunition, for its own sake, is pointless. In fact, there reaches a juncture where the student becomes so fatigued, he begins merely going through the motions, just to get the exercise over with! Good instructors never allow fatigue to supersede the student's focusing on understanding and learning the point of the exercise.

(6) The best schools are well-rounded. Our Art embraces an extensive repertoire of psycho-motor skills, verbal skills, and disengagement skills, along with a sound philosophical overlay, all of which must to carefully integrated. Some of the material is dry, but it is still important and must be included. Beware of justification models lifted solely from police sources. Police have a mandate to act, so their justification models are written with an assumption of that duty. Conversely, the appropriate model for armed, non-police citizens stems from an assumption of 'necessity.'

(7) Select a school that is unique in the same way you are unique! Remain unbiasedly objective. Remember your mission. When you live in a ' shall-issue' state, and intend to carry outside your home, your mission will be different from someone who cannot. When you carry as a duty, your mission will be different from either. As noted above, the best high-risk Contractor-Course might be appropriate for a certain group, while being mismatched to most others

(8) Finally, attend many different schools! None are perfect, and none are 'all-wrong.' You'll learn something worthwhile in each, and you'll become well-connected within our Art. All instructors have something important to offer, and all are wretchedly flawed in some way."

Comment: Excellent advice! The only thing I will add is, "Don't put it off!" Acquire these critical skills while you can. You don't get to know when you will be tested, only that you will be!"

/John
 
Yeah, I sent the write up along to John shortly after it got stickied here, just in case he wanted to share it with someone else.
 
I would add:

(9) Beware of the Faketician. The Faketician is a guy that wears military garb but has has never served in the miltary and YET has high competition scores and talks factical, despite not really understanding fire and movement. He may outshoot you, but his experience is more paper target groups than MG or mortar suppression.
 
Excellent advice on how to select a school/trainer. Thunder Ranch/Clint Smith is a very good choice. Been there twice since I live in Oregon. Another very good choice is the Oregon Firearms Academy in Linn County (Brownsville, OR). I've gone through several of their courses. They, like Clint Smith, stress fundamentals and logic and they have no ulterior agendas.
 
really like the information.
but ... im gonna get into trouble here...doesnt it contradict the "shoot what works well for you" thing?

i work well with a 9mm. so why point out so specifically the 1911?
no, im not jealous.

perhaps rewrite in generic terms?

i do however really like the post, except where it points me to seek instructors who advocate 1911s.
seems to me that this only one very fine firearm amongst many....

-G
 
Ghosty1 said:
do however really like the post, except where it points me to seek instructors who advocate 1911s.
seems to me that this only one very fine firearm amongst many..

I said no such thing. In fact, if you go back and read that paragraph carefully, I advised something rather different.

I advised avoiding schools who advocate a weapon or weapon system unless they can articulate some good reasons. "A superior trigger" is a good reason. "Because the Army used it for 70 years" is not a good reason. You may disagree, or have a good reason why you won't be showing up to their class using what they have a preference for. And that's OK.

Everyone has preferences. What you're looking for is the thought process behind the preference. How much thought did the instructor or school put into it? If the instructor tells you he used Glocks for 30 years on the job, and that's why he's all gung ho for Glock, he might not have the skills to help a student work through the DA/SA transition problems. Or know enough to teach revolvers.

Get my drift?


I used Gunsite and the 1911 as an example simply because it's the best known one, and I think they happen to articulate their reasons for the preference pretty well.


Thanks for pointing it out. If you mis-interpretted what I said, then I probably should have taken the time to say it better. This was a good opportunity to clear it up.
 
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