Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by 38-45 Special, Jul 20, 2020.
Depends on their intended use.
In Spring, I hunt carpenter bees with a shotshell of walnut media in my .45 Colt Bisley Blackhawk. It's more fun than John Wayne ever had!
I've used both CCI and handloaded shotshells in 6" 357 & 2" Mod 60 for probably over 40 years and they work very well on even large rattlers at normal snake ranges......5-6'. On rare occasions, took a 2nd shot, especially with the #9 CCI's especially if stretching the range.
The Mod 60 is always handy & did fine on these w/CCI #9, but I believe the Speer shot capsules recently loaded w/7 1/2" shot from the same 2" Smith will be much better based on pattern @ 6' below. Can't wait to find another rattler. I like that the capsule hit point of aim, to boot.
But if close to the jeep, I reach for the 20 ga Youth NEF shotgun over my left shoulder (white arrow).
Have to back off a bit to give pattern a chance to open up with it, however.
Either one gets 'er done.
#12 shot is the most effective, speed capsules make it pretty easy to load them.
The my 45 ACP ones that use a cut down .410 wad give the best patterns. Also loads that are slower pattern the best. I work up the powder charge to reliability cycle the action and stop.
Details! I need details, please! My wife spends a fortune on Raid trying to knock them out of the air so she can stomp them. This has got to be easier and more cost effective than that!
Badmitton Racquet or a full auto airsoft gun works wonders for me.
I've used them on rattle snakes, and they do work....but not much beyond 20 feet.
Hmmm? maybe the laws forbid importation of such delicacies?
Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of getting soaked for these things!
My recipe is:
-45 Colt brass, flash holes drilled out to leave just enough for the anvil to seat against (~5/32")
-whichever LPPs you have on hand
-0.3cc Lee scoop of Clays; Any fast pistol powder will do. With Clays, more is too loud, less seems a mite underpowered. Use whatever you have on hand.
-a cardboard wad (notebook backer, etc), tamped down on the powder.
-a case full of used Walnut media, tamped down
-a second cardboard wad over the rice, tamped down to get it into the case
-a fairly heavy crimp over the wad. . . they don't uncrimp on firing, so you only crimp the first time
A 45 ACP case, over-flared and inside-chamfered until sharp, makes a dandy punch to produce the cardboard wads. This is the longest part, and I'll buy Wads next season. . .
If you don't drill the flash holes, you will re-discover that primers partially unseat against the recoil shield upon detonation and reseat during pressure rise; in this case there's no real pressure so they stay unseated, tight against the recoil shield, locking the gun up.
The report is roughly equivalent to a loud paintball gun, so it's hearing safe. This recipe will penetrate a paper poster at 4', but not at 8'; my wife can attest that it will not harm a rose bush from 6' away.
I used to use White Rice, but the ground walnut requires less tamping to get tight.
Edit: I guess I should point out: don't use the drilled brass for full-power loads. . . pressure could be higher with the gaping big flash hole.
Thanks, but I don't know if I can get away with that in my subdivision. We're in the city limits and it's illegal to discharge a firearm.
D'oh! Hadn't even thought about an air soft!
Only really good use case was indoor critter hunting. So low power they don't damage structures, richochet harder than simple long sleeves and eyepro will handle. So if you have something already a bit rough (a basement, crawlspace, shed, factory, warehouse...) that won't mind a few more tiny holes, and lots of critters that either are too wily for traps, time is of the essence, or you just want the entertainment, that reportedly works.
No, never got to do it myself, but have two reliable reports of this activity, with solid results.
NOTE: they are still firearms, police will be Very Disappointed In You if you are caught firing them in any city limits, or even in the county near a road, school, etc etc. Air guns dominate the direct-fire, lethal critter removal largely for this reason.
I use CCI .22 shot cartridges to kill rats in the barn.
IMO they are a gimmick, useful only for trick shots breaking balloons in wild west shows.
Yes and no. I remember one time I was in my barn, and there was a copperhead about 3 feet long. All I had was a Colt .45 with cast bullets. Since I already have all the hearing loss I want, I didn't shoot -- but if I'd had a quiet shot shell in one chamber, it would have been different.
Never carried the 1911 hunting, but did pattern some CCI's through it which patterned well and worked the action reliably, so should be a bit better snake medicine than the 38's. Hoping to try out the 71/2 handloads in the little Smith on a snake before too long.
Never tried .22 RF CCI, but picked up some of the old style crimped "rat shot" 22's when trying to sell my MIL's house on a resaca a number of years ago. There were some very large birds roosting in her willow trees and decorating them in white. Tried everything to discourage them and finally decided to pepper them w/the rat shot when they came to roost. I'd shot some rat shot when I was a kid many years before and remembered it as being fairly quiet in a rifle, so didn't worry too much about the noise, even though this was in city limits.
Wouldn't ya know, I got to the house about sundown only to realize that I forgot to bring the key to the 5' hurricane fence, so I climbed the fence and went into the back yard to await the incoming birds. It was at least 100 yards to nearest house across the resaca, so wasn't worried about shot reaching that far.
Well, the birds landed and I maneuvered so as to get a clear shot at the nearest bird, which was at least 25-30 yards away. Figured that was close enough to dust him pretty well but not penetrate the feathers. Like the little boy said, "I had a plan." Turns out it was not a very good plan. Just as I squeezed the trigger, the bird spread his wings as if to take off. Darn if that rat shot didn't drop him like a ton of bricks.........and LOUD! ! Couldn't believe how loud that thing was and even more surprised that it killed the bird. Talk about the golden BB!
Load I have used is 6.0 grains of AA #5 under 1.0 cc of #9 birdshot, PPU case, WSP. I shot these out of an SP101 357 from 10 feet got a good pattern and passed through both sides of a heavy cardboard box (the kind used for liquid detergent bottles by the case). Have never used on a snake though, defaulting to a snub 410 revolver with birdshot, which has never failed to stop.
I'm not especially scared of snakes, but I respect the venomous ones ability to cause great harm.
Get a Lee sizing die. I run .45 Colt gas checks through a .44 Mag sizing die -- lubricate them first!!
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