Thoughts on Ruger SP101 in .327magnum

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I am considering purchasing a Ruger SP101 and was reading about the .327 mag vs. the .357 mag. I was reading the Ruger information and realize they are promoting a round. They say that it has as much FPS and FPE as the .357 but less recoil.

I am wondering how it compares to the .357 magnum with the 5 shot or the .327 in the six shot.

I am interested in anyone's real life experiences. Maybe the round is too new but I hope someone has at least shot it some.
 
Well..."equal to the 357", *sorta*.

A lot of people with 357 guns the size of the SP101 or smaller aren't shooting "full house" 357 in them.

Common factory loads from Remington, Speer, Cor-Bon and the like can make 500ft/lbs energy from a 357 2" barrel. But most people just aren't doing so, especially newbie shooters. Buffalo Bore and Doubletap both have loads that can top 600ft/lbs energy even from a 2" - damned few people are determined enough for that :).

There's exceptions, people using 3" barrel SP101s as a woods defense gun while backpacking, but they're either hardcore shooters or they're carrying something they can't control.

Most people carrying the SP101 for street defense are either loading hot 38+P (between 225 and 350ft/lbs energy) or mild 357 loads (between 300 and 450ft/lbs).

For that group of people, the 327 makes loads of sense. They can start with the better 32H&RMag loads and work their way up to maxed-out 327s which in turn are right about where most would have stopped with 357s.

While getting one more shot.

Now, if you're the sort who can make use of REAL 357s at least some of the time, maybe that's where you need to go. But if not, there's nothing wrong with saying so and gaining another bullet.

My carry gun is a 357 of larger size than an SP101, and I carry and shoot monster 800ft/lb energy loads in it. It's controllable for me. But if this gun was an SP101 I don't think I'd carry that level of monster load (that would make almost 700ft/lbs in a 3" SP101).
 
Here are a few ballistics I found:

Federal Premium 85 grain Hydra-Shot JHP - MV 1330 fps, ME 334 ft. lbs.
American Eagle 100 grain SP - MV 1400 fps, ME 435 ft. lbs.
Speer 115 grain Gold Dot JHP - MV 1300 fps, ME 431 ft. lbs.

To me, this cartridge sounds like it would have ballistics similar to the 7.62x25 auto:

http://www.brassfetcher.com/762x25mmJHPs.html

(With the .327, you have a .312-.313 inch bullet instead of a .308 (roughly) for the 7.62x25, if I'm not mistaken.)

IMO it's an interesting cartridge, but I don't think that those commercially promoting it are being exactly honest in comparing it to the .357. But comparing it the the 7.62x25 would be valid IMO.
 
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I have a problem with this 327 caliber. The whole thing seems like a marketing gimmick 'Just as bad as the 357, but less recoil'. No, it's not as powerful as the 357, and it's nowhere near as versatile as a 3" 357. If recoil is your worry, with a 3inch 357, you can load:

38 special, standard loads

38 special +P loads

357 light loads (80 or 90 grain bullets)

357 standard loads.

Four possibilities, not to mention the multitude of possibilites if you are reloading using the very common dies/powders/bullets for 38/357.

Why would you go for some weird, unusual caliber which the ammo for may be hard to obtain in 2 or 3 years?
 
I would be very interested to learn more about this load.

Which load? IF you're talking about "monsters" that can pull 800ft/lbs out of a 4" to 6" range barrel, see also Doubletap for JHPs (mainly Gold Dots), Buffalo Bore for both hot hardcast and JHP and Grizzly Cartridge for hot hardcasts.
 
Nothing wrong with having more choices

I don't believe that the 327 will be forcing the the 357 into early retirement, nor do I believe that 327 is as powerfull with less recoil. It really isn't possible. That said, I do believe that the 327 is an interesting alternative to the 357. While there are a plethora of loads for the 357 and the 38 special, all of which can be used in any 357 revolver, there are quite a few choices for th the 327 as well. The 327 should be able to fire the 327, the 32 H&R mag, 32 S&W long and 32 S&W all of which are still comercially available.
 
I know of alot of old timers who carry the 32 H&R mag in j-frames. They like the sixth shot.

At ECQ situations, I don't see where the 327 is much better than the 32 H&R. I know the 32 H&R can drop a deer sized animal from a pistol.

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I like the idea of the 327. I will like it a lot better if I see it in some other guns. Like a j frame or a blackhawk.
 
Actually, it is possible to have more "power" with less recoil.

The trick is to define "power" as "Kinetic energy." You drive a light bullet faster. Since recoil is a linear function , but kinetic energy increases with the square of the velocity, you can tune the weight and velocity to get less momentum and still get more Kinetic energy.

That said, is the .327 equal to a .357? No.

Can it develop Kinetic Energy numbers higher than the +P .38 Special and close to the .357 with less recoil than a .357? Yes.

Does it matter when the chips are down? The jury is still out on that one.
 
I too have some respect for the 32H&RMag, but as the 327 will eat 32H&R with no problems at all (like driving 38+P in a 357) there's no reason NOT to go with the 327.

Vern is correct about driving a lighter bullet faster to get more raw energy for a given recoil level. The good news is that with the more modern slugs such as the Gold Dot, the nose shape and lead hardness can be tuned so that you still get decent penetration despite the lighter weight slug. The usual problems with light slugs not punching deep enough is step-by-step being solved and as near as we can tell, that thinking has been included in the best 327 loads.
 
Well..."equal to the 357", *sorta*.

A lot of people with 357 guns the size of the SP101 or smaller aren't shooting "full house" 357 in them.


Exactly. Out of my 2.3" gun, my 180 XTP JHP/13.8 AA#9 load gets 1306 fps/662 ft lbs. It puts up 785 ft lbs in a 6.5" Blackhawk. My carry load fires a 140 Speer JHP at 1330+ fps for 550 ft lbs. You ain't gettin' that sort of power out of a .327 Fed. BUT, if you're shooting the light loads for less recoil, you might as well be shooting the .327 except, of course, it's shooting a lighter, smaller bullet.

No, it's not up to .357 for ballistics, a wive's tale.
 
The only advantage of the 327 is the 6th shot in my humble opinion. I have read that it has less recoil but I don't know.
 
I just think its fun to have another choice out there. That’s what it’s all about isn't it?

The .327 puts out plenty of power for its purpose of self defense. I see no real point in debating that. (Hairs get split too fine over that topic in my opinion)

Some people want tons of power some people want more ammo (some go to bottom feeders trying to get both) it really comes down to having choices.

Forget calibers for a moment, how about the actual guns? Look at all the different revolvers in .357 out there. Do all those different makes and models serve a unique purpose none of the other models could fill? NOPE they don't, but it’s nice to have a choice to fit our preference isn't it?

That’s how I see the .327, it’s another choice for SD that will appeal to a certain group of shooters.

Personally I think the .327s success will be directly linked to guns available in that caliber. It’s very well suited for the small light weight ccw revolvers that S&W puts out. I think it needs to be such a package for it to gain popularity.

I hope they do something about that......hint hint.:)
 
I just think its fun to have another choice out there. That’s what it’s all about isn't it?

Uh, well, when the .327 proves itself on the street, it might be a viable choice. I'll wait and let others test it in battle. Me, "what it's all about" is stopping a bad guy post haste and I've killed DEER with the .357. It has a great street record in law enforcement. I just have a lot more confidence at this point that it'll get the job done. I think the .327 is a more viable choice in a scandium J frame vs .38 special, myself. The .38 is no slouch. I'm sure the .327 will become known as an effective round if it survives long enough. I'm just not jumping on th band wagon until I know it works well in shootings on the street and that might take a while. In a gun the size and weight of the SP101, though, I'll take .357 Magnum, thank you very much.
 
You don't carry the same loads that you killed the deer with for SD do you? :eek: :neener: :)

My point of “what its all about” really wasn't about the .327 being effective. (This I assumed based on its power.) My point was about the development and production of the .327 giving people another choice for SD. The .327 is not meant to be a replacement, only an addition.

I admit it’s interesting to debate the effectiveness of X vs.Y; however the point of that debate is often the debate it’s self more than its application to the real world.

FOR the OP. I doubt very many people here have much experience with the .327 yet. Gunblast did a review though. http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-SP101-327.htm

If you are really choosing between the .327 and the .357 sp101 at the moment the .357 makes more sense simply due to ammo cost and availability.
 
I have a .327 Fed. I ran 100rds of the 100gr SP in it. Kicks a lot. I can't believe they market this to women. All the cases stuck in the cylinder. A handful of them jumped the ejector star. Not impressed.
 
I have been leaning in the direction of the .357 because of its proven record. I also happen to own a 6in. GP100. I asked about the .327 because the ruger literature was praising the .327. I may wait a bit longer but will likely stick with a .357 because I am already set up with dies, powder, cases etc.

Thank you to all who have chimed in. Your wisdom is very appreciated.
 
I have a 4 inch GP100 that's a beater range gun. Thought seriously about converting it to 41 Magnum, but the 215gr SWC bullet I shoot is just kick ass.

I have a 4 inch SP101 in 32 H&R and this SP101 in 327. I have to send the 4 inch .32 back to Ruger for a crane replacement.
 
I have a .327 Fed. I ran 100rds of the 100gr SP in it. Kicks a lot. I can't believe they market this to women. All the cases stuck in the cylinder. A handful of them jumped the ejector star. Not impressed.

OK, that's interesting. What ammo was this?

Sounds like they need to back it off a hair in terms of pressure. I'd like to see what Tim Sundles could do with this critter.
 
Thoughtsd on Ruger SP101 in .327magnum

I saw an article recently about the Ruger SP101 chambered for the new Federal .327magnum. Has anybody here seen this gun, or had a chance to fire it?

If so, what do you think of it?
 
American Eagle 100gr FNSP @ 1500fps. The guys on Glockpost.com were teasing me because I shoot a 375 H&H pistol no problem, but complain about a .32 mini magnum.
 
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