Through a rapist's eyes

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This e-mail was recently forwarded to me. I have my doubts about whether the "interviews" with rapists actually took place but some of the safety suggestions seem reasonable. A few seem far fetched.

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Through a Rapist's Eyes (No Joke)
This is important information for females of ALL ages .
When this was sent to me, I was told to forward it to my lady friends. I forwarded it to most everyone in my address book. My men friends have female friends and this information is too important to miss someone. Please pass it along.

A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts :

1) The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed . They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair . Women with short hair are not common targets.

2) The second thing men look for is clothing . They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly . Many of them carry scissors around specifically to cut clothing.

3) They also look for women on their cell phone , searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.


4)
Men are most likely to attack & rape in the early morning, between 5: 00a.m. and 8:30a.m.

5) The number one place women are abducted from/attacked is grocery store parking lots . Number two is office parking lots/garages Number three is public restrooms

6) The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to another location where they don't have to worry about getting caught.

7) Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

8) If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming .

9) These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.
Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

10) Several defense mechanisms he taught us are: If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk: "I can't believe it is so cold out here", "we're in for a bad winter." Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a line-up; you lose appeal as a target.

11) If someone is coming toward you , hold out your hands in front of you and yell STOP or STAY BACK ! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

12) If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yell" I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY" and holding it out will be a deterrent.

13) If someone grabs you , you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them . If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm (between the elbow and armpit) OR in the upper inner thigh VERY VERY HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it hurts.

14) After the initial hit, always GO for the GROIN. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy's parts it is extremely painful. You might think that you'll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble and he's out of there.

15) When the guy puts his hands up to you , grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible!. The instructor did it to me without using much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

16) Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings , take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts!!!

You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.

1. Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do!

2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans. If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you....chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc. DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR, LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE.

4a. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it. As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location.

5. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage:
5a. Be aware: look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor, and in the back seat.
5b. If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
5C. Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out.
IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.)

6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!)

7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ.. RUN, preferably in a zig-zag pattern!

8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP. It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked "for help" into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.

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9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her "Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door."

The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, "We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door." He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby. He said they have not verified it! , but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night.

Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby ----This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana.
 
You might want to check Snopes. I think this one has been around a while and has been thoughly de-bunked.

Jeff
 
You are correct. I thought some of the info sounded suspicious. Some of the tips still seem to have "some" credibility. Best to weed out the bad and keep only the good.

From Snopes:
The e-mail did contain one bit of valuable advice: Stay aware of your surroundings. Not only is it important to see trouble coming before it gets to you and avoid it, but an alert stance can help discourage a would-be attacker. Those looking to prey upon others — whether their aim is robbery, rape, or mayhem — generally choose as victims those who appear preoccupied or tentative in preference to those who exude a sense of purpose. Or, as I was told long ago, "Always look like you know exactly where you're going and move like you're expected to be there at exactly a certain time." Mooning about aimlessly can make you a statistic.
 
I've seen this before. I don't know if it is actualy compiled from interviews with rapists or not, but I teach a women's self defense class and the suggestions are sound advice.
 
this was posted once before a while back... it was pretty much debunked.

~tmm
 
There is some merit to some of the suggestions. Trying to weed the BS from the sound advise though isn't worth the effort. There are better info threads out there. One point on time. The times mentioned contradict by more than 12 hours what my experience has been as an investigator.
Jim
 
The recorded baby crying is some scary stuff.
Its pieces of waste like this that destroy our capacity to empathize with anyone. Its sickening the way creeps pick on the goodness in people.
 
Baby crying.

I've never heard of a documented case of the 'crying baby' ruse, but then again I am not a reporter nor a sworn officer...

I love snopes, and every one of my forward-this-to-everyone-on-your-list family and friends hate it. I've lost count of the links I've sent to them to assure them the latest outrage is in fact, another bit of lore.

On a serious note, I have known several female aquaintences who have been raped. Some were date rapes, some were not.

The worst one was a dear, sweet, innocent girl of 18 I went to community college with and briefly dated. Red hair, freckles, 105 lbs soaking wet. Came from a rural farm in the mountains, and had no idea bad people exsisted.

At aproximately 2 am on a Saturday morning a black male, 255 lbs, going to the same community college on a football scholarship knocked on her door. She refused to open it, so he broke it down. Dispite this being in an apartment complex, either no one heard or no one cared. (public assistance housing)

He showed her a .32 cal revolver, inserted one cartridge, spun the cylinder, and promised to kill her if she resisted.

He then sodomized her at least twice, beat her, and left her with the warning he'd return and kill her if she told the police.

She ran the 3 blocks to the Sherriff's department, hysterical, and then endured the fun of a post-rape exam.

Subject was tried, found guilty of first degree rape, first degree burglary, and several drug violations stemming from a search of his apartment.

A letter he wrote to his room mate promising to 'kill that <deleted> when I get out of here for telling on me for raping her' didn't help his case any, nor did the PS he added thanking the roomie for sneaking him some pot into his cell.

Anyone care to guess how much time this rapist acually pulled for 2 consecutive life sentences?

7 years, 42 days.

I bumped into the girl a few years ago, she still carries a weapon, although she said she finally got over the nightmares and met a nice guy, who gave her two wonderful children. (they are divorced now)

I've gone to long, but I think the story is worth the space. That gun didn't cause him to rape and beat her, any more than the one she carries now could. I'm glad she has some protection, and I have no doubt- none at all- that she would use it if need be. I just wonder what the aftermath would be like if she did.
 
I'm going to stay within the Terms of Service and not say what I really think about this mass of untreated effluent. There are one or two true things here, but they're mixed in with so much dangerously falsehood that it's not worth trying to separate them out. It's made the rounds many times and has been taken apart in detail. For better information on rape try AWSDA.
 
Had someone post this on a pagan mailing list. I mentioned the idea of using a gun: some of the responses were outright hysterical...

Although most of the ideas presented are sound advice, i think the absolute best three things a woman can do to avoid a rapist are these:

1) Stay aware of your surroundings
2) Be prepared to use whatever means available to inflict as much damage on your assailant as possible
3) Do not do things that result in muddled thinking and slow reactions

Follow those, and you should be fine...
 
Since we are on the topic the one thing that I notice a lot is this:

Constantly I see women (and men) walking to their car in a dark parking lot. For some reason they feel the need to hit the "unlock" button on their key fob from 100 yards away. I dont know why people do this, maybe its to justify having such a device in the first place. The point is that now you are standing there, still a good distance from your car. Your car just flashed its headlights and maybe tooted its horn telling *everyone* in the area; A) Which car belongs to you, B) that the car is now unlocked, C) exactly where you are walking to, and D) that you have the keys to said car right in your hand. One might as well carry a sign saying "Free car with every rape".
 
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